It is a Long tradition of sci-fi and fantasy to talk about tabu issues as long as they refer to the fantasy and sci-fi races and deities and not real world races and deities.
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zebularMember, Neverwinter Moderator, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 15,270Community Moderator
. . . . .You're confusing "calimite" with "Calis-hite,'(sever the hyphen) the latter of which is a resident of Calimshan. You might want to bone up on yours though, indeed. *the mage ponders the non-existant word "calimite"* Must be something from another crystal sphere or plane, aye. Sounds more like an insect... parhaps a breed of mites native to Calimshan? *the old mage shrugs his shoulders*
((I know my lore but hadin a typo "m" by mistake!))
I know we can't be racist in our content, and that by itself is a good thing...
But; This is a game where we hunt down orcs, slaughter drow and annihilate goblins... That seems pretty racist to me! And those are indeed races, as opposed to different variations in skin-tone found in human specimens. So, can a wood elf use racial slurs when talking to a drow? They are species of the same race in my book.
Where does one draw the line?
There is a thing called roleplaying:it means that a character has to be played true to himself and this means that if one of your character is supposed to hate for reason of his own another race, for example let us say that a dwarf had is whole family killed by the drows except for his younger daughter that they kidnapped , let him for dead and they cut his beard too, he is not supposed to use a politically correct speech when he meet a member of that race.
. . . . .You're confusing "calimite" with "Calis-hite,'(sever the hyphen) the latter of which is a resident of Calimshan. I know my lore but hadin a typo "m" by mistake! You might want to bone up on yours though, indeed. *the mage ponders the non-existant word "calimite"* Must be something from another crystal sphere or plane, aye. Sounds more like an insect... parhaps a breed of mites native to Calimshan? *the old mage shrugs his shoulders*
"Cali****e was the name given to an inhabitant of Calimshan. The term "Calimite" was a severe insult. "Cali****es" was also used to describe the human ethnicity that appeared as though they came from Calimshan" http://forgottenrealms.wikia.com/wiki/Calimshan
You can refer to someone without using any profanity, in character, and without any racism obvious to anyone that doesn't know the lore.
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zebularMember, Neverwinter Moderator, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 15,270Community Moderator
"Cali****e was the name given to an inhabitant of Calimshan. The term "Calimite" was a severe insult. "Cali****es" was also used to describe the human ethnicity that appeared as though they came from Calimshan" http://forgottenrealms.wikia.com/wiki/Calimshan
As I said, some form of mite. ((sorry my humor wasn't that good I take it! Probably lost when I mentioned my typo on Calis-hite.))
I know we can't be racist in our content, and that by itself is a good thing...
But; This is a game where we hunt down orcs, slaughter drow and annihilate goblins... That seems pretty racist to me! And those are indeed races, as opposed to different variations in skin-tone found in human specimens. So, can a wood elf use racial slurs when talking to a drow? They are species of the same race in my book.
Where does one draw the line?
I think: Draw the line at real-life racism. Racism is an integral part of the lore of this game, always has been and always will be. Orcs hate elves, dwarves don't prefer them. Everyone hates Orcs, including Orcs.
Elven sub-races look at each other with varying degrees of tolerance and disdain. Lots of elves are put off by half-elves. Just like in real life, there are characters in game who don't necessarily feel the racial preference is justified.
I remember an encounter reaction modification table in the original books that showed different racial preferences.. apathy, antipathy, etc.
It's just a part of the lore. It exists. It's the base reason for many battles. It's your own choice whether you want to touch on it in your stories.
Again, that's just what I think.
Thanks for making quests for us to play.
Rhyon Cawdorian GWF | Opa Loka TR | Cormac Argentus III DC | Annika Thornblade GF | Aerys Skydark HR | Bartin Findlor TR | Aellia Baalthrall CW | Lucan Hawkmoon CW | Opa Brahk GWF | Korzbyrk DC | Den Kruk GWF | Jherek Skarsin CW |
Roland Mac Sheonin GF | Tarron Direheart SW |
I know of a way to make any foundry censored word be undetected by it.
But i wont tell it here out loud because i dont want people to abuse it.
Beside i dont use it to put bad words in my foundries, i use it because the filter is only good for english.
Some english words that can't be written in our foundries are perfectly correct words in my language, the language of my quests, french.
Like the word for "later" in french.
So, without that trick, we can't say "see you later" in french quests.
As for the racism question, if some npc have that kind of language in a quest, i think it would be a good idea that some others npc say it's a bad behavior. I'm not sure i'm explaining my thoughs properly...
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zebularMember, Neverwinter Moderator, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 15,270Community Moderator
I know of a way to make any foundry censored word be undetected by it.
But i wont tell it here out loud because i dont want people to abuse it.
Beside i dont use it to put bad words in my foundries, i use it because the filter is only good for english.
Some english words that can't be written in our foundries are perfectly correct words in my language, the language of my quests, french.
Like the word for "later" in french.
So, without that trick, we can't say "see you later" in french quests.
. . . . . Please submit two bug reports one for each on the method of exploiting the censor filter and the issue of the filter blocking certain french non-swear words. Please be aware that even using this exploit method of circumventing the filter for a legitimate reason, may still be grounds for GM intervention and/or account infractions. It is best to report these things for a fix rather than abusing them, even for a "greater good" type scenario. Thanks!
I also wonder why words like "<font color="orange">HAMSTER</font>" and "chlamydia" gets filtered... Don't people pass gas and get STD's in Faerun?
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] The entire campaign can be found here:NWS-DQS27OINC
Individual quests:
1. Heeding the Call - NW-DMJCDZ5XJ
2. Bored of the Rings - NW-DFWE3XR6W
3. Draconian Ways - NW-DUNZEJG2J
4. When All is Said and Done... - Look at the picture
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cipher9nemoMember, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 0Arc User
People apparently don't "erect" structures or buildings either.
It's a wonder they get things done...
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] The entire campaign can be found here:NWS-DQS27OINC
Individual quests:
1. Heeding the Call - NW-DMJCDZ5XJ
2. Bored of the Rings - NW-DFWE3XR6W
3. Draconian Ways - NW-DUNZEJG2J
4. When All is Said and Done... - Look at the picture
I guess what I'm saying is: If I had played a quest with content I found offensive and vulgar, I would just exit that mission... I would report it. I wouldn't really care. Some people may like that stuff, even if I don't... And who am I to judge them?
Personally I think it would be better if we could write whatever we want, as long as we don't break any (actual) laws.. Freedom of speech and such. I like that.
So if you come across a quest about necrophiles trying to hit on zombies, and you really HATE necrophiles, just leave.
It seems like it has somewhat become a human right NOT to be offended. That's not healthy.
I guess Cryptic/PWE are running this show, but personally - I would like less policing, more freedom.
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] The entire campaign can be found here:NWS-DQS27OINC
Individual quests:
1. Heeding the Call - NW-DMJCDZ5XJ
2. Bored of the Rings - NW-DFWE3XR6W
3. Draconian Ways - NW-DUNZEJG2J
4. When All is Said and Done... - Look at the picture
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((I know my lore but hadin a typo "m" by mistake!))
[ Support Center • Rules & Policies and Guidelines • ARC ToS • Guild Recruitment Guidelines | FR DM Since 1993 ]
http://forgottenrealms.wikia.com/wiki/Calimshan
You can refer to someone without using any profanity, in character, and without any racism obvious to anyone that doesn't know the lore.
[ Support Center • Rules & Policies and Guidelines • ARC ToS • Guild Recruitment Guidelines | FR DM Since 1993 ]
I think: Draw the line at real-life racism. Racism is an integral part of the lore of this game, always has been and always will be. Orcs hate elves, dwarves don't prefer them. Everyone hates Orcs, including Orcs.
Elven sub-races look at each other with varying degrees of tolerance and disdain. Lots of elves are put off by half-elves. Just like in real life, there are characters in game who don't necessarily feel the racial preference is justified.
I remember an encounter reaction modification table in the original books that showed different racial preferences.. apathy, antipathy, etc.
It's just a part of the lore. It exists. It's the base reason for many battles. It's your own choice whether you want to touch on it in your stories.
Again, that's just what I think.
Thanks for making quests for us to play.
Roland Mac Sheonin GF | Tarron Direheart SW |
But i wont tell it here out loud because i dont want people to abuse it.
Beside i dont use it to put bad words in my foundries, i use it because the filter is only good for english.
Some english words that can't be written in our foundries are perfectly correct words in my language, the language of my quests, french.
Like the word for "later" in french.
So, without that trick, we can't say "see you later" in french quests.
As for the racism question, if some npc have that kind of language in a quest, i think it would be a good idea that some others npc say it's a bad behavior. I'm not sure i'm explaining my thoughs properly...
[ Support Center • Rules & Policies and Guidelines • ARC ToS • Guild Recruitment Guidelines | FR DM Since 1993 ]
The entire campaign can be found here: NWS-DQS27OINC
Individual quests:
1. Heeding the Call - NW-DMJCDZ5XJ
2. Bored of the Rings - NW-DFWE3XR6W
3. Draconian Ways - NW-DUNZEJG2J
4. When All is Said and Done... - Look at the picture
People apparently don't "erect" structures or buildings either.
Hammerfist Clan. Jump into the Night: NW-DMXWRYTAD
It's a wonder they get things done...
The entire campaign can be found here: NWS-DQS27OINC
Individual quests:
1. Heeding the Call - NW-DMJCDZ5XJ
2. Bored of the Rings - NW-DFWE3XR6W
3. Draconian Ways - NW-DUNZEJG2J
4. When All is Said and Done... - Look at the picture
Personally I think it would be better if we could write whatever we want, as long as we don't break any (actual) laws.. Freedom of speech and such. I like that.
So if you come across a quest about necrophiles trying to hit on zombies, and you really HATE necrophiles, just leave.
It seems like it has somewhat become a human right NOT to be offended. That's not healthy.
I guess Cryptic/PWE are running this show, but personally - I would like less policing, more freedom.
The entire campaign can be found here: NWS-DQS27OINC
Individual quests:
1. Heeding the Call - NW-DMJCDZ5XJ
2. Bored of the Rings - NW-DFWE3XR6W
3. Draconian Ways - NW-DUNZEJG2J
4. When All is Said and Done... - Look at the picture