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What could have made Cryptic team resolve to such drastic nerfs on the TR class?
richarles
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1. Somebody(who has mental breakdown) threatens or have already committed suicide (to smear Cryptic's image) because their well invested control wizards (NOOOOO, how could my all powerful wizard lost to a TR!!!! It did not happen in the original Neverwinter nights!) get brutally mauled when head on with a decent TR.
2. Fanatics who donated a lot of real money to Cryptic with the condition that TRs must be gimped because their beloved class get 1 shot/perma-stealth facerolled by TRs.
3. A poor boy/girl whose last wish is to see the TRs ruined (for whatever reasons & pleaded Cryptic) before he/she passes away due to cancer/AIDS or bird flu.
4. Cryptic's sinister plot to run a cycle of nerfs/buffs to gain high influx of zen.
Please continue the list.
2. Fanatics who donated a lot of real money to Cryptic with the condition that TRs must be gimped because their beloved class get 1 shot/perma-stealth facerolled by TRs.
3. A poor boy/girl whose last wish is to see the TRs ruined (for whatever reasons & pleaded Cryptic) before he/she passes away due to cancer/AIDS or bird flu.
4. Cryptic's sinister plot to run a cycle of nerfs/buffs to gain high influx of zen.
Please continue the list.
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Skilled and TR can't be in the same sentence that currently doesn't exist. Maybe after the changes to there bugged broken class we will see some skilled TR's I can only hope. Negative comments is the way to go as well cause in a game. A game its getting balanced.
when balance is needed in pvp, then why are you happey about the changes?
they dont affect pvp at all
If you actually analize what was nerfed it is not an efficient way to just nerf permastealth.bait n switch and stealth strike were not altered. also most powers that are considered only useful in pvp like imposible to catch smoke screen bloodbath were also not altered.
the powers that were altered seem to be the powers most used in BOTH pvp AND pve lurkers duelist and cloud of steel these three powers are in almost every build out there both stealth and crit focused.
so what i think is they saw the anti TR posts and datamined the TR picked the top three powers and tried to bring thier numbers down to the average. the problem is a LOT of TR powers other than the favorates are kind of weak i am hoping they ease up or buff weaker powers but im not holding my breath.
also to those people snickering at rogues. you know if people keep crying for balence CW and GF you might be next even if you wernt OP before the dps bar has dropped. Since i play all 5 classes i say stop the nerfing! strengthen the weaker powers noone uses.
My rogue just one shots alot of people if you do it right.
That is OP.
On the other hand, to fix it, maybe they should of just balanced the pvp @ 60 somehow, i dunno, i mean in lower level pvp the scaling seems to be much better?
Toons:
New: CW Level 60
GF = Level 60
DC = Level 60
TR = Level 60
Stealth, lashing blade or "backstab", and cos or throwing knives have been staple skills for any "rogue" style class in every game that had one no? But now these skills are overpowered and need to be nerfed...
GF's (which is what abomination is, and it's pathetic that he's crying for these nerfs) can 1 shot CW, TR, and DC easily knight's challenge + lunge.
CW can cc and then easily take 80% hp with 1 ice knife
GWF can easily kill a target before they get up from takedown and are not cc'able
All classes are powerful in PvP, all classes (cept DC) can have huge burst damage if specced correctly. But hey lets remove the BURST damage from the ASSASSIN character, that makes a lot of sense. And while we're at it, they aren't allowed to be invisible either, that's only the mechanic that their class is built around.
We are definitely dominating, and we are always about to win.
My TR is lvl 30, I play a CW, and even I can see that these changes are just stupid. CW can kill a TR just as fast as a TR can kill a CW, CW can just do it from 80' away...
We are definitely dominating, and we are always about to win.
You don't one shot people with a GF though this is the point, how is a class balanced if it's 1 shotting people?
Could you explain?
I've played the game since ALPHA, there isn't anything i don't know about this game.. sorry.
I love all my toons, i prefer my cleric overall of them, but when i feel the urge to change for something to do, it's the rogue.
Simply because you can own in pvp like no other class can, lol.
I ain't fussed about the changes, it's abit drastic, but it has to be done, but of course not everyone will agree.
Toons:
New: CW Level 60
GF = Level 60
DC = Level 60
TR = Level 60
and you also dont oneshot people with a TR considering your target is smarter then a tree
Well, to run into a good group is neither here or there, or not at all for weeks on end.
So that's not really going to help anyone.
There is a small minority of great pvp players that specialise in it and a much bigger community that play pvp that are going to be owned.
Point is, for the majority of matches the current rogue will beat all if he knows how to play, for those who don't, oh well the can just mash buttons and still get silly damage.
Like i have said in a few threads covering this subject, go and play pvp before 60 and it feels much more of a match, soon as you hit 60 with TR it just feels OP.
I feel they could of maybe scaled something for 60pvp, i think nerfing straight away is alittle harsh, but we'll see, might be cool to see other rogues approch it with different builds or skills instead of the one-trick-ponies we see all to often.
Toons:
New: CW Level 60
GF = Level 60
DC = Level 60
TR = Level 60
not when those "all" know how to play too...then its an even fight
Are you serious? My GF hit 60 like 2 days ago, I bought trash gear from AH, don't even have full stalwart's yet and I can 1 shot people that aren't heavily geared. Only way you could not be able to 1 shot is with full tank/protector build. Even with garbage gear using trample the fallen, proning enemy, knight's challenge + lunge 75%-100% of enemy health gone, 1-2 cleave's or threatening rush will finish them if they aren't dead.
We are definitely dominating, and we are always about to win.
They won't nerf anything. Those useless abilities will continue to be disregarded by all rogue builds, and the ones that were necessary will now be rendered less effective. I expect this to happen for two more patches at least. Then another class will become the whipping boy.
so not a 1 shot then?
Toons:
New: CW Level 60
GF = Level 60
DC = Level 60
TR = Level 60
its exactly as for rogues: a combo of several abilities to deal a hughe amount of damage
you know, with just the use of one encounter, rogues cant oneshot either
Anyway, some of the rogue nerfs I can see, CoS was a bit much, the 8 charges is fine, 8 charges will still do its job, picking off targets who flee in PvP and chipping away at mobs when there's too many red circles to get close.
Dulists Flurry.. Well, it blatantly is a nerf.. but lets be honest, the way it worked before was clearly explotive and seemed like a broken mechanic. Though there's no denying that its going to seriously hurt a rogues dps, so maybe buff up its base damage to compensate, but keep the consistence to avoid intentional stack dropping.
The stealth change is HAMSTER... I can't understand what they are thinking with this.. a lot of feats and abilities are dependant on staying in stealth to gain the benefit. Mostly the sabatour tree, which is about to be made worthless.
Lurkers... this one is horribly... I wouldn't even take it as an encounter now, nevermind as a daily... Rogues now outright have the worst daily's, and the slowest AP gain to boot.
And yes.. the troll in this thread is clearly the same person with two accounts, he has the same writing style.
Lol I have 11k GS as conq GF, once I get 15k I won't even need knight's challenge, just prone + lunge = instakill. Not to mention GF can live through 10 times what a TR can but still put up as much burst. You are comparing a fresh 60 still using some blue's and very far from BiS to a TR with Tene's and Vorpal b/c thats the only way they can kill people that fast. Yet still my GF could kill that TR b/c I can block 100% of his damage and kill him within 1 prone rotation.
That's actually sad, looks to me like TR's need a buff... Oh wait TR is weak against fighters as they should be, but strong against cloth/leather as they should be, sounds about right to me.
We are definitely dominating, and we are always about to win.
Of course the Persians won the 300s because they are much greater in numbers. Now if you are smart enough, try to translate this into how bads get a fine class to get nerfed.
Everyone who is wining about it should recheck ther objectivity
I don't think anyone is complaining about the death of the perma stealth build, we care complaining that the nerfs are going to hit the rest of us as well. I personally hated the perma-stealth build, it was gimmicky and annoying. You would either counter them, and they were worthless, or didn't counter them and you were defenceless. It was no fun either way.
I personally never had problems with stealth build rogues since I roll path of blades, which shreds the stealth bar and there low hp.
Ofcourse, the Lurkers assault change is going to cripple me because crit severity instead of damage won't synergise with path of blades atall.. it can't even crit, crit severity is not a good stat for how I've built. I focused on power and armour pen, before crit.
I would be willing to bet it was because they were OVER POWERED (and have been since open beta), used a perma-stealth game mechanic that was obviously broken, 1-shot players from stealth, etc...
There is no elaborate conspiracy here Mulder...
if that would be the reason, then why didnt they nerf permastealth rogues or pvp rogues, but mostly pve rogues?
please, explain it
Perma-stealth deserves a nerf because it is truly unfair this I understand. But like I said, it takes 3 skills & some dumb luck to 1 shot somebody. If you are against good players, you need good enchants on top of the conditions I have mentioned in order to 1 shot. Bads don't want to admit that they are bad I understand but to accuse a fine class to be OP is like framing an innocent man in court.
Because the ideal dungeon make up. Is as many rogues as you can get your hands on and a CW for adds. There is no balance in PvE which is a huge problem. Class roles still aren't on a even playing field and dungeon make ups and how the content is done has been broke for awhile. I hope with the new content coming out these changes that maybe dungeons can and will be fun to play for everyone.
The rogue adjustments were needed for PvE just as much as PvP in my opinion. You don't have to like my opinion but I would like to see some balance for this MMO and for PvE and content now and hope its established for when we get more content and end game content.
im sure if i could proove you that rogues can fly, youd have an opinion on that too and it surely will be differant then mine cause why have your own opinion when you just can be against
Interesting that my opinion is the same of 1,000's of players and Cryptic feels the same and is making adjustments because of that.