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Xira's Hybrid CW Guide - Top DPS + Control (CN)
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Power: 4500
Crit: 3200
ARP: 2200 (yes I am purposefully a tad low)
Recovery: 3500
In this guide I will not go into a deep explanation of why my stats are what they are. There is plenty of information out there on soft caps, best balance/use of stats. I am following the same information as everyone else should be. I will add one thing however, when it comes to focusing on stats a CW is gearing up here would be my suggestion of what to do first
#1 3K Recovery
#2 3K Crit
#3 2K ARP
Building up in that order to your end game PVE build would first make sure you have effective mob control by getting to your soft cap in recovery, followed by increasing your damage in the most efficient way. Where is power in the list? You should have 3K+ power just based on gear alone. It will build up naturally and you should not have to enchant for it.
Spec
Powers & Feats, I will first breakdown my build, then follow with explanations, hopefully this keeps things easy to follow if you are copying my build.
Powers (Only listing MUST haves, there will be extra points you can assign by personal preference, should be 3/3 in all listings)
Magic Missile, Chill Strike
Conduit of Ice, Entangling Force
Arcane Singularity
Repel, Chilling Presence (now optional)
Chilling Cloud (now optional), Shield, Evocation
Storm Pillar, Ray of Enfeeblement (Storm Pillar should have 1 point minimum. If following my feats, should be 3/3)
Ice Knife, Storm Spell
Icy Rays, Steal Time
Eye of the Storm
Feats
2/5 Controlling action, 3/3 Weapon Mastery
3/5 Fight On, 3/3 Wizards Wrath
3/3 Blighting Power, 3/3 Arcane Enhancement
3/3 Focused Wizardry
Renegade Feats
5/5 Reapers Touch
5/5 Nightmare Wizardry
5/5 Phantasmal Destruction
5/5 Masterful Arcane Theft
1/1 Assailing Force
Thaum Feats
5/5 Malevolent Surge
5/5 Destructive Wizardry
AOE Damage : The bread and butter of AOE damage is the renegade side of things in combination with shield management. With large pulls and lots of mobs, a large portion of damage we do will come from shield crits. You should have Magic Missile as your main at-will helping you manage and control your arcane stacks. Followed with 1 of 2 builds:
Max DPS - Chill Strike on tab, COI, steal time, shield (I really only run this build with 3 CW's in a CN party - I just love the constant singularities of the other spec with solo-2 CW's)
Normal - Tab Entangle, COI, Steal Time, Shield
Mechanical Tips
Shield is our #1 damage, however the worst thing you can do is run into a bunch of mobs and pop shield with no arcane stacks off the bat (unless you desperately need the AP for singularity). This is going to most likely leave you with a larger shield timer and ALOT of missed damage output. Make sure you have decent arcane stacks before using shield the first time on a pull, which helps you get into a shield rotation on large pulls you should be able to pop your shield with no cool down except the cast time, once you get good at it.
COI - Short cast time, and if it crits on the initial cast, does an absolute TONNNNN of damage with perfect vorpal. This should always be cast on groups of mobs, and if it crits do not hesitate to follow it immediately with a TAB entangle to suck the mobs in and ensure they are all taking the damage.
Steal Time - Another high damage AOE, but should be carefully used based on the situation, when used properly since you are going to have aggro on ALL mobs in a trash pull after a crit shield, it is best used to keep you in the fight and allow you to get a shield cast or singularity off (without having to dodge damage nonstop)
Crit: 3200
ARP: 2200 (yes I am purposefully a tad low)
Recovery: 3500
In this guide I will not go into a deep explanation of why my stats are what they are. There is plenty of information out there on soft caps, best balance/use of stats. I am following the same information as everyone else should be. I will add one thing however, when it comes to focusing on stats a CW is gearing up here would be my suggestion of what to do first
#1 3K Recovery
#2 3K Crit
#3 2K ARP
Building up in that order to your end game PVE build would first make sure you have effective mob control by getting to your soft cap in recovery, followed by increasing your damage in the most efficient way. Where is power in the list? You should have 3K+ power just based on gear alone. It will build up naturally and you should not have to enchant for it.
Spec
Powers & Feats, I will first breakdown my build, then follow with explanations, hopefully this keeps things easy to follow if you are copying my build.
Powers (Only listing MUST haves, there will be extra points you can assign by personal preference, should be 3/3 in all listings)
Magic Missile, Chill Strike
Conduit of Ice, Entangling Force
Arcane Singularity
Repel, Chilling Presence (now optional)
Chilling Cloud (now optional), Shield, Evocation
Storm Pillar, Ray of Enfeeblement (Storm Pillar should have 1 point minimum. If following my feats, should be 3/3)
Ice Knife, Storm Spell
Icy Rays, Steal Time
Eye of the Storm
Feats
2/5 Controlling action, 3/3 Weapon Mastery
3/5 Fight On, 3/3 Wizards Wrath
3/3 Blighting Power, 3/3 Arcane Enhancement
3/3 Focused Wizardry
Renegade Feats
5/5 Reapers Touch
5/5 Nightmare Wizardry
5/5 Phantasmal Destruction
5/5 Masterful Arcane Theft
1/1 Assailing Force
Thaum Feats
5/5 Malevolent Surge
5/5 Destructive Wizardry
AOE Damage : The bread and butter of AOE damage is the renegade side of things in combination with shield management. With large pulls and lots of mobs, a large portion of damage we do will come from shield crits. You should have Magic Missile as your main at-will helping you manage and control your arcane stacks. Followed with 1 of 2 builds:
Max DPS - Chill Strike on tab, COI, steal time, shield (I really only run this build with 3 CW's in a CN party - I just love the constant singularities of the other spec with solo-2 CW's)
Normal - Tab Entangle, COI, Steal Time, Shield
Mechanical Tips
Shield is our #1 damage, however the worst thing you can do is run into a bunch of mobs and pop shield with no arcane stacks off the bat (unless you desperately need the AP for singularity). This is going to most likely leave you with a larger shield timer and ALOT of missed damage output. Make sure you have decent arcane stacks before using shield the first time on a pull, which helps you get into a shield rotation on large pulls you should be able to pop your shield with no cool down except the cast time, once you get good at it.
COI - Short cast time, and if it crits on the initial cast, does an absolute TONNNNN of damage with perfect vorpal. This should always be cast on groups of mobs, and if it crits do not hesitate to follow it immediately with a TAB entangle to suck the mobs in and ensure they are all taking the damage.
Steal Time - Another high damage AOE, but should be carefully used based on the situation, when used properly since you are going to have aggro on ALL mobs in a trash pull after a crit shield, it is best used to keep you in the fight and allow you to get a shield cast or singularity off (without having to dodge damage nonstop)
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A common way a massive trash pull should be the following:
-a magic missile combo (getting an arcane stack)
-arcane singularity (starts sucking mobs in, should be done against a wall or in a corner to make shield spam easier on yourself and group)
-Storm Pillar cast hitting at least 2 mobs to proc the 10% damage boost)
-Possibly another magic missile combo if the situation allows it or you havent proc'd anything yet (eye of the storm, nightmare wizardry, etc)
-COI cast
-Tabbed entangle
-Run or shift in for your first big shield
-Steal time
-You should easily have proc'd your next singularity at this point which you should immediately cast
-Shield spam over and over on timer. Steal time is best used as the singularity finishes, to allow you to safely get shield cast back up and used again.
-When all your abilities are on cool down, cast 50% storm pillar charge again to keep the 10% damage boost up as much as possible)
Single Target Damage
Tab Key: Icy Rays / Ray of Enfeeble (If your only Wiz or the other wiz is not doing it)
COI
Chill Strike
Shield (If using ROE, replace this with Icy)
I like the combination of those 3 for boss encounters. You get good chill stack generation, the tab'd icy rays usually crits for 9K+, however as mentioned above if your the only wizard or for some reason the other wiz is not tabbing ROE, I would put that in, and slide Icy Rays down to regular encounter.
This setup I use in boss fights where I can actually focus the boss and do not need to worry about mob control. If mob control is a big part of the boss fight, do the following:
Tab Key: Entangle
Ray of Enfeeble
COI
Shield
This still gives you great AP regen, the standard ROE debuff to keep up on boss and a lot of damage on the adds.
Utility/Defense Enchants
Utility: No other option really here but Dark. Faster move speed good for everything.
Defense: I personally go radiant. High level savage would be best for the build.
Class Features
Because of my Perfect vorpal, i run Eye of the storm hands down, even though the proc'n of it can be kinda flaky. For trash i compliment it with storm spell or Evocation. Both good choices. Evocation I usually default with on mass trash pulling, however storm spell is great for fights like Draco where you want to draw a bit more initial aggro on mobs.
When doing boss fights its now arcane mastery and eye of the storm.
I want to be clear. The best 4 set right now is High Vizor, and the best spec is THAUM….
So why are you using renegade tree and Shadow weaver? Because I run with CW’s most of the time that have High Vizor and the Assailing Force from the THAUM tree. Therfore I find it a lot more effective that I also add the Shadow Weaver bonus to the group, as well as maximize my damage to help clear the trash faster.
So now the million dollar question, what gear set/spec should you be?
There is only 1 reason to use the Shadow Weaver set: You run commonly with THAUM mages
There is only 1 reason to focus on the renegade tree: You can afford a higher level Vorpal Enchantment.
If you are a more casual player and do not want to invest any USD$ into the game, then my recommendation is to go 4/4 High Vizor and the THAUM tree. Your benefit to the party will by far outweigh any personal dps you can bring to the table.
Vorpal vs. Plaguefire vs. Lightning
Much along the same line as above, if you cannot afford to get a Greater or Perfect vorpal, and at minimum rank 7’s in all your gear, then you will bring much more to the group running a Plaguefire. Every group needs at least one plague fire, and many of the times it’s the CW that has to bring it to the table. It is the cheaper and safe option for all CW’s.
As for lightning, I have done many combat comparisons between a Greater Lightning and Greater Vorpal. The Vorpal consistently outperforms lightning by a large margin because of shield crits. (Disclaimer: I have not compared perfects, however cannot imagine a scenario where lightning is going to be better). The only argument ever for lightning besides it being cheaper would be if you did not have good crit % chance. But any end game build you should be at the crit soft cap (be 35%+), and therefore to me it makes lightning irrelevant and not a wise option.
Cat vs. Stone
Who cares… simple answer. The cat if you’re using a blue belt gives you slightly better stats, but the difference is so marginal it has little impact. A cat can randomly dies, where a stone does not. I use a Cat personally, but in no way try and claim it is much better than the stone or Vice Versa.
How can I afford a Perfect Vorpal Enchantment?
Rough. CN speed runs allowed a lot of people to massively farm items and generate AD. Now that that has been closed off, at least on Mindflayer the price of draco gear has been tanking, and the price of vorpals/coalesce wards has stayed firm or even rose a little. If I am being honest, right now it would be next to impossible to farm out a perfect vorpal without an investment of USD$ into AD. Even then, with the price of Zen/AD they are almost forcing people to 3rd party sites, and even then the price of a Perfect Vorpal on Mindflayer would be around 20 million. That is a rough climb. I imagine as time progresses and there is less AD floating around because of reduced BOE prices, we should see the price of shards/wards begin to drop more. I have no idea if it’s the same situation on other servers.
Draco breakdown (Castle Never)
Here is a brief explanation of the best way to tackle Draco fight in Castle Never.
Powers: Tab Repel, Entangle, Steal Time, Shield.
-Yes, any group serious about CN bugs the adds. When there is a lot of mobs, one CW should shield toss, while the other repels. If there is few adds, both CW's should repel.
-Can you solo CW it? Yes, it is easily solo CW'd if the DC acts like a shield tossing CW and does his knock over in combo with your repel. If you run with a consistent DC, have them practice tossing as well on regular runs.
-Can it be done without bugging the adds? Yes. You tab entangle and just continually shield toss. The biggest mistake you can make if your attempting this is to toss with only a few adds. You have to work well with a TR (smokebomb) and DC to manage the adds a bit more, but it is very do-able.
-"I am struggling with AP while using repel". Just remember your best ap gain is with shield, when you pop singularity and prepare for the repel, you should of had your shield up. Slam them into the wall in the early stages of your singularity, before you repel.
Why take entangle? Entangling red wizards then following it up with steal time while your in a waiting pattern is a group life saver. The fight is all about the whites and red wizards. Manage them effectively and its gg.
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As of 7/18/2013 patch, it appears the following stealth patches have occurred:
-Storm Pillar now can crit on initial attack
-Nightmare Wizardry no longer procs on ourselves
As of 8/1/2013 patch, the frozen power transfer feat was patched. I have temporarily removed the section on single target damage as it no longer applies. I will update shortly with more single target information
Again I hope this helps the CW's out there that are looking to top charts and carry groups.
Everything I have expressed is solely my opinion based on my own experiences.
Then, you know, that arp cap is 2530, not 2400? And armpen gives greater damage increase, than any other stat.
OFC, my 2nd sentence " In any CN run, even after taking away any mob toss damage".
Ive played with my ARP between 2200-2500, and hardly noticed ANY difference. I realize others say that, but adding dark 9's right now isnt cheap and im pretty comfortable being slightly low, especially with the single target damage above. Fractions of percentages on ARP really mean nothing with the scaling chill damage in the scheme of things. In fact you might be better off to just run at the trash ARP of 2200, and focus points elsewhere.
Majority PVE, thanks.
Added it in along with class features. Thanks knew I was missing something.
Great glad to have helped. I cant tell you how many times I have gotten the CW question of which way they should go. 90% I try and push them to THUAM. The extra mitigation THAUM / HV brings to boost the damage of everyone else, greatly outweighs the personal damage the CW will do. I am only recommending this setup to those that know they can group with a thaum CW the majority of the time, and love to be at the top of charts every run
Great post Xira.
-Storm Pillar now can crit on initial attack
-Nightmare Wizardry no longer procs on ourselves
Will update if I notice anything else.
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So you statement about increasing your personal damage via SW set to help fast clearing trash is wrong.
Actually there is a pretty big debate about this. Even though it stacks, when you combine other debuffs your group should have such as wicked, etc, the mitigation decrease is most likely maxed and really not benefiting the group as much as the shadow set.
Again, I cant prove this for sure, and nor have I seen any other threads with conclusive proof. All I have to go on is our kill times on draco being better on average when i am in shadow vs my high viz set. So tired of unequipping and re-equipping a shadow piece gear fix the stupid bug though.
Also, I am not claiming SW increased my personal damage in anyway. The 4 set bonus applies to the entire group. I am saying from my experience it seems to get faster with one wiz in HV, and one in SW. The vorpal over the plaguefire defintely does the personal increase.
If you want the best group possible, you should also have a DC running the T1 High prophet set. That one is extremely noticeable and I do not see many DC's that realize how much better that set is for the group, then miracle or other options.
What does this mean? Does this mean we don't get the combat advantage anymore?
No, we get it on the *mobs only* properly now. It use to proc on yourself, debuffing yourself.... lol
Okay, thanks Doaxira. I really appreciated the guide. Learned a lot of things. TY!
Also, for the AoE setup, what do you have slotted for class features?
Glad i could help, I mention my class feature setup at the end of 2nd post.
Thanks for the break down Xira. ^_^;
I wish we could pull this off in PvP...but anyone that lets us stack At Wills that long would probably die anyway.
Our entire fight length is around 6 minutes with 2 CW, 2TR, 1 DC. If we bug all the adds, draco's health is well past 1/2 before we even turn to do any dedicated damage. I can't get over 100K ice knife unless its a PUG and i have a bit more time :P.
Yeah I have though the same thing lol. Its a very "gimicky" ability with limited use
Pretty sure there is no "maximum mitigation decrease", we just did draco and with about 25-30x HV stacks i critted 33k with chill strike and the GF critted 120k with bullcharge, no vorpal or crit severity bonuses.
[Combat (Self)] Critical Hit! Your Chill Strike deals 32658 (6765) Cold to Azharzel.
[Combat (Self)] Critical Hit! Your Bull Charge deals 120064 (27890) Physical to Azharzel.
And this is not my records.
Apparently, based on a short test, you don't even need the Frozen Power Transfer feat to do the above. It's seriously hilarious; doubt it'll last.