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Cryptic why are you punishing us the higher we get in level?
irk2013
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At 60 we are required to do 4 eligible Foundry's, 4 skirmishes, and 4 pvp matches to get the daily reward. That is well somewhat a lot of time investment if you look at it.
If we go with what the que system says:
45 minutes for Dungeon
60 minutes for 4 skirmishes
Then to pvp matches are so random can be fast can be really long.
Same with Foundry but lets say you do the 15 minute ones.
Again 60 minutes for Foundry and 60 Minutes for pvp
that is 3 hours 45 minutes and that is with a perfect run in each of said categories.
That is JUST doing dailies and that is ONLY if you get into a group within 1 minutes which we know NEVER happens to most classes. My average wait time is around 15-20 minutes for Skirmishes and 30-40 for Dungeon and 5-10 for PvP.
These dailies are just that you need a FULL day to get them done and so ANYONE with a life outside this game will not be able to get them all done in a single day.
So again why are you punishing those of us with lives as we level?
Why not simply allow people to do said skirmish, pvp, foundry up to 4 times but the quests are 1 at a time. This way I can do what I want within my time frame and still get AD without having to get all 4 done at once.
If we go with what the que system says:
45 minutes for Dungeon
60 minutes for 4 skirmishes
Then to pvp matches are so random can be fast can be really long.
Same with Foundry but lets say you do the 15 minute ones.
Again 60 minutes for Foundry and 60 Minutes for pvp
that is 3 hours 45 minutes and that is with a perfect run in each of said categories.
That is JUST doing dailies and that is ONLY if you get into a group within 1 minutes which we know NEVER happens to most classes. My average wait time is around 15-20 minutes for Skirmishes and 30-40 for Dungeon and 5-10 for PvP.
These dailies are just that you need a FULL day to get them done and so ANYONE with a life outside this game will not be able to get them all done in a single day.
So again why are you punishing those of us with lives as we level?
Why not simply allow people to do said skirmish, pvp, foundry up to 4 times but the quests are 1 at a time. This way I can do what I want within my time frame and still get AD without having to get all 4 done at once.
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Don't be a Dbag.....
Delthanin: I understand that really I do, but why? Who cares if they are 1 for 1 instead of 4 for 4?
Perhaps I want my AD right now not 2 days down the road.
I am just saying it doesn't make much difference if they did it 1 for 1 compared to what it is now it will all come out the same in the end, but at least I can get my AD when I get 1 done instead of having to do 3 more to get it.
This being the important thing: Cryptic aren't punishing you. Far from it - they are allowing you to earn four times as much total AD from doing foundries each day as you could at lower levels.
Im sorry how is it being a DBag? You state that it is required, when inn fact it is NOT required to do any of these activities. They give you options that you can choose to participate in or not. It is all an individual choice. So lets put on our Big Boy pants and realize that as characters get stronger the time investment changes so things dont become trivial.
I haven't played in quite some time but don't you have to complete the quest to turn it in and get your astral diamonds? so you would need to complete 4\4 said quests to get your 4k astral diamonds.
It is required if you want the AD. Please learn to read and please learn reading comprehension..
I never understood the childish behavior some people seem to possess when it comes to trivial things. Who cares if someone can do a single foundry at 60 and get their 1000 AD up to 4 times in a day for 4000 AD? There is nothing so bad about that. You say investment changes so things do not become trivial and in this game I disagree as everything becomes trivial at a certain point in ANY game with current mechanics.
Changing the system to where someone can do a 1 for 1 and get their AD up to 4 times in a day is going to make the game trivial? Whatever dude I don't see it...
You are correct and all I am wanting is a 1/1 with up to 4 aday. I don't want to have to do 4 to get 4000 AD when all I really wanted to do was 2 to get my 2000AD. The ONLY thing this type of system promotes is unhealthy living as you have to have no life outside the game to get all dailies done in a single work day.
Nothing but your own greed is making you do all of the dailies every day.
You can still get 2000 AD for doing 2 quests. You just have to wait to receive it when you later do 2 more on a later day.
You get the exact same amount of AD either way. It's just when you receive that AD.
There is only a few things you could be doing at level 60 so they are trying to keep you motivated by filling your time with daily quests.
the dungeon reward only apply to dread vault non epic, and once you complete it the item drop is worthless probably blue and you need to do only one dungeon
the 4 pvp matches i do not know how it works but i usually get the AD daily reward after 2 complete matches maybe 3 at most.
foundries i do agree you need to do 4 of 15 in however i can tell you that you usually do them to gather gold as well since there is no open world good maps to do it and in foundries there are some that have good enough drop to gather like 4 gold in 1 hour
if you do trhat for AD then i can tell you that you probably focus on other stuff.
pvp daily is a must you can get a lot of gold and some ad selling equip plus the daily rewar so even if you take 45 min in the process is worth it. then the next good thing to do is dungeon duelve, skip the daily dungeon and only do the dungeon duelve in any epic map, with luck you will gather some good enchants and equip to sell for AD (better than the daily reward amount). and Last do the GG event complete (even dailies) the daily rewards in total are like 5k if i am not mistaken plus you can do the T1 dun like 3 times in 30 min and gather enchants, GG coins and equip that you can sell for more AD and even if you won do the T2 dun just for T2 equip.
is your point is Ad rewards if you follow these steps then you will spend the same time but you AD reward will be a lot lot higher between 15k to 500k depending on drops
i Did mention it and that skirmish at lv 60 is so easy it take even less than 15 minutes i was able to do it 5 times in the 1 hours event to get the AD reward during the event (since it do not have a daily reward) is one of the only ones that i remeber were you gain AD drop from mobs lol and i think the previous skirmish was more problematic with the 3 giants.
Because, instead of originally posting a good counter-argument, you posted that. You posted something so you could get a laugh, at the op's expense, and you thought it would make you cool.
If you don't have anything constructive to post, don't post at all.
Honestly, I think there just need to be more options to get the ad limit every day. Some can't run the foundries, or skirmishes, hour after hour. If you can't, then you are stuck with very little ad towards whatever goal you have. It's too little. But, if you're of a certain class, or exploiting, or in a great guild, you can run things again and again. Get the expensive items and sell them, get a heck of a lot more ad towards those perfect and rank 10 enchants, that it would take the other guy two years to get.
There isn't much balance to this game. Some can get everything, and own pvp or always get groups in pve, while those that can't play as much suffer, and will continue to suffer, until they find another game.
I'd love to see a few more level 60 skirmishes and some reasonable payout for running them. Oh, and daily skirmish quest.
Are you all there? It's called a daily because you get another quest daily unless you haven't finished the one you're on. It's not there fault that you don't have the time to play the game. You gotta make time.
Previous experience with both human psychology and many previous MMOs that have instituted "daily" quest mechanics, has shown the MMO companies that players do feel compelled to try to complete the dailies every day. The devs take advantage of this to both 1. keep them playing longer, and 2. getting them to come back every day.
(similar to how they're using the Celestial & Ardent coin invokes. And the "time management game" style of crafting. All attempts to build a better Skinner Box.)
4 skirmishes?:eek: I only get the 4 Foundry, 4 PVP and 1 Dungeon in my char. Are you sure that there are skirmishes daily for lvl 60?
I have to agree with this poster and he or she is 100% correct. There are other ways to get Astral Diamonds at a much larger rate without doing the dailies such as selling goods in the market. Doing dungeons and selling the purple drops you don't want or need. You seem to have missed the whole point of any game and that should be the #1 factor, "to have fun". Who cares if you do 1 daily a day and get paid off in 4 days, it's all in your perspective. It's a free to play game meaning you don't have to pay 1 cent to play if you choose not to, personally I would be glad that they offer ways such as this to get the valued currency in game such as AD currently is without spending a dime. It also seems to me that you somehow feel a sense of "entitlement" wanting everything now and that is the wrong perspective, especially in a F2P game.
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If cryptic removed astral diamonds from your account, then it would be a punishment.
Thread title should be changed.
Fixed that for you - Cryptic are actually letting people earn four times as much a day from foundry quests at level 60 than lower level characters.
Of course you have to run four times as many quests, but at least you have that option.
Right.
The idea, though, here is to get people to login every day to generate engagement and create more opportunities for sales. That is, the more often you have the customer in the store, the more often you can pitch them something. No player buys something every time they log in, of course, but the more logins you have over the entire playerbase the more sales you have. More than if people were logging in once or twice a week for marathon sessions on, say, the weekend. All games want to generate engagement for various reasons. In a sub model, it's to keep people hooked in to the game and keep subbing. In a freemium model like this one, it's to create more opportunities for people to buy something, which generates the revenue that supports the game. The target customer is someone who logs in every day for a bit, does some dailies and so on, and then logs off -- each time they login there is a sale opportunity. As for the people who play a lot and don't buy much, that is fine for the company as well because most of these people are seeding the AH with items that others will use Zen conversion into AD to buy. So the whole thing revolves around the economic model.
None of that is bad, but it's just what it is. This is the emergent model for MMOs and is becoming quickly the dominant one in the West as well, even though as recently as 3-4 years ago, people would have scoffed at the idea of large Western MMOs being designed as freemium games from the ground up.
Don't confuse options provided to you for requirements you self-manufacture.
Actually, some days I can't manage to log in at all...they should just give it to me. I shouldn't be "punished" right? It's not fair...
Also if I have to call in sick to work and don't have any sick time, they should pay me anyways. It's not fair I should not get paid just because I didn't go to work.
Why can't everything be more fair?!
Indeed. However, I enjoyed the way Arenanet did their dailies with GW2. They let you choose what to do, they didn't require more than may be 30-60 minutes of game time, but they still made you feel like you needed to do them every day to gain the currency needed for Ascended gear.
Yet Neverwinter is much more demanding of dailies for time commitment. And the currency you get is used for everything. Worse, you can get those items by just spending r/l money. In GW2 you could only get the items by doing the dailies and monthlies.
While the psychology behind the concept is sound, there are both good and bad ways of implementing it.
So as a result Cryptic/PWE has completely turned me off from the idea of doing dailies. I treat Neverwinter very differently for my gameplay than I treated GW2. And as a result I'm not feeling pressured to login each day and enjoying my time here.
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