60 DC PvP Videos

munkey81 · July 2013

Just started doing videos. In these first quite a fiew that I'm uploading, I wasnt trying to get points, was strictly trying to show pvp healing, and how I run pvp with my cleric.

I'm uploading many more videos, and will be doing premade videos also, vs going solo as a pug.

I also have some videos of my CW posting.

I'm new to uploading youtube videos, but I think you can just click the link, and then go to see other videos by person

My first video, using Bandicam, quality is not bad

Some of the later videos are short, because people were leaving matches.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R1ztcM7BbnE&feature=youtu.be

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6UAe5eh39U&feature=youtu.be

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1AOOoHLW_Xo&feature=youtu.be

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBlAtX-T9Lg&feature=youtu.be

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ri_CibOvR84&feature=youtu.be

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LBZn5BV0LVc&feature=youtu.be

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGXx1PyB7Ek&feature=youtu.be

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3eN5odoXpt4&feature=youtu.be

lerapiso · July 2013

- Pickup Avatar
- High sized flame signature
- Can't stop shaking his camera when he attacks something
- Trash tier Music
- Can't even play properly a 3 buttons game

Confirmed for 14y old redneck

tyrtallow · July 2013

He does have the basics down pat though. Always work with the team, try to fight in node, abuse high/low terrain and LoS, drop Astral Shield on node when possible, use Hammer of Faith/Divine Armor. I'm guessing he's an LS build because he's using Sunburst - by itself not a power I'd recommend for PvP.

I'd be more careful about when I use Hammer of Fate and I'd use Divine Armor more often when several allies are near me. I'd try to stay inside AS more and use my dodge to actually dodge attacks or LoS instead of just to outdistance someone (that never works, they always catch up). Overall not a bad job, better to use actual game music though. Learning to identify audio cues (especially from certain key powers other classes use in PvP) is important.

sh4dowrunn3r · July 2013

Nice checked first video a bit. Will be watching others later. Just be sure to also post the ones where you get owned :P. I find matches in this game usually are either enemy gets totally destroyed or you get totally destroyed and you should post both videos not just when your team dominates. The later ones when your team is utterly outmatched and gets 100 points at end will probably demonstrate your healing power better.

uri92 · July 2013

15k self heal lol.. sure.
Your self dHW barely heal you for 3-4k. Nothing amazing, most geared clerics do the same with healer's lore in pvp.

Plus in your first video your opponents tend to ignore you, how funny.
I liked the part where that GF destroyed you 1 on 1 though. Guess you're not the god you pretended to be on forums, handling 1 on 3 with 15k self heals and not bothering about CC.

Your opponents were poorly geared anyway.

sogronnwo · July 2013

Yep, exactly what I counted, 3,8k D HW initial tick crit.

I guess that's that for your supposed 7k.

munkey81 · July 2013

uri92 wrote: »

15k self heal lol.. sure.
Your self dHW barely heal you for 3-4k. Nothing amazing, most geared clerics do the same with healer's lore in pvp.

Plus in your first video your opponents tend to ignore you, how funny.
I liked the part where that GF destroyed you 1 on 1 though. Guess you're not the god you pretended to be on forums, handling 1 on 3 with 15k self heals and not bothering about CC.

Your opponents were poorly geared anyway.

Read the posts again. I said 15K+ self heals "through a 3 spell rotation", and yes..the videos show that, countless times.

I didnt have many big crits in the first fiew videos, there were many 3-6k initital hits though. All of which I said before on earliar posts. There is no GF that "destroys" me 1 vs 1 in any of those videos. What there is is me being focused many times by 2-3 players, and surviving and healing my team for the majority of it.

All you guys are complaining constantly about clerics being 1 and 2 shot and being destroyed in PvP. Well, I have always disagreed, and there is no "getting owned" 1 and 2 shots in any of these videos. Course I died, its PvP, everyones gonna die at some point.

Also never said at any time in any post that I was a "god", I said I'm not having problems surviving like you guys are. Now there is proof.

I would love to see videos of you doing PvP with your DC

My videos are out, and proving that clerics can heal through CC's and being focused, again, shows this many times in all the videos.

gtxinsane · July 2013

Found the post.

munkey81 wrote: »

The amount of Health I am pouring out using Sacred Flame is just ridiculous. I am loving the Temporary hitpoint gains for the party and myself, and the healing bonus's from that is excellent. With just Sacred Flame I am critting for 5-7kheals. The Bonus's for Healers Lore for Healing % and the stat increase, combined with the bonus's from healing after Chaneling Divine is huuuuuge.

So far my largest crit on a divine mode Healing Word is 13.5k on party member, and 7.8k for self heal.
For T2's with this build, I have been very successful in good groups not even using Astral Shield. I have been trying to swap it out for Bastion of Health. With this build AS is adding temp hps, which is giving me a bonus to heals because of it, so when I do chose to use AS, the heals are huge.

However. That's just nitpicking, and you did say further down in that thread that it doesn't always happen. I still haven't seen the 7.8k self heal, nor the constant 5-7k heals. No, the additive heals do not count. You were constantly healing for 3.3-3.8k, way under what you claim. Maybe a controlled in a dungeon where you have perfect conditions for that 13k heal? Because this baseless claim has to stop at some point.

Still pretty ok. Not on the level of play of Medic/Laudon is (he is heavily geared though), but still pretty ok. You did heal through a couple of ccs, but there were a few parts in the videos where you got choked and died. A lot of the plays were standard, and some of the plays were basically the other team letting you heal through, as well as them not exactly being even average geared, but still, ups i guess.

munkey81 · July 2013

gtxinsane wrote: »

Found the post.

However. That's just nitpicking, and you did say further down in that thread that it doesn't always happen. I still haven't seen the 7.8k self heal, nor the constant 5-7k heals. No, the additive heals do not count. You were constantly healing for 3.3-3.8k, way under what you claim. Maybe a controlled in a dungeon where you have perfect conditions for that 13k heal? Because this baseless claim has to stop at some point.

Still pretty ok. Not on the level of play of Medic/Laudon is (he is heavily geared though), but still pretty ok. You did heal through a couple of ccs, but there were a few parts in the videos where you got choked and died. A lot of the plays were standard, and some of the plays were basically the other team letting you heal through, as well as them not exactly being even average geared, but still, ups i guess.

Course your going to die in PvP. No madder what kinda gear, as there is no DR, its going to happen to everyone. I made the videos to prove healing is effective in PvP. So many cry baby posts of clerics saying they die in 2 seconds to everyone all the time, and cant do anything. My videos by far prove that is not true. Did I get 100% locked to death? Course, again, no DR. But many many times in all the videos, I am being focused, surviving, and healing the team through it. Doing what a healer is supposed to do.

Another large fountain of tears post was being a cleric in a PvP Pug and constantly being destroyed. All the videos I posted were one after another. All pug, all solo Q. None of which I was being "constantly destroyed".

Saying the other team was average geared is besides the point, it was a Pug, in a solo Q.

I'm guessing you have a videos of Medic and Laudon playing? I'm always down to learn more, hook up a video

gtxinsane · July 2013

That's all well and good. You still have to replicate the 13k d.healing word crit (unless you've mistaken it for the collective heal).

Here's one, Laudon btw IS Medic, you can check out his channel, he's not always using the DC though, and as you can see in the video, it's people basically smacking each other with thousands of $$$ worth of items. It's also premade vs premade. Most of his matches are premade vs premade. His plays are pretty standard, but with all the tenebs running around, it's hard not to get insta-gibbed at that state of play.

http://www.twitch.tv/laudon/c/2434794

uri92 · July 2013

I would love to see videos of you doing PvP with your DC

I'm not the one showing off on every cleric related topics on this forum, with my 15k self heals.
You tend to speak like your healing is good because your build rules, the fact is that your build has nothing to do with it. Healer Lore with a good gear give any good cleric the same amount of critical healing. But looks like you enjoy thinking you are an "elite player" as you wrote somewhere else.

You first showed off saying that your HW self heal could reach 15k but it appears that you only reach this amount with a rotation. Is that supposed to be any hard ? Wow you are so good man..

Oh wow look at my 3 skills rotation... so kewl...

PS: I'd like to see your 7k crit heals from sacred flame by the way.

lerapiso · July 2013

uri92 wrote: »

PS: I'd like to see your 7k crit heals from sacred flame by the way.

Sraced Flame heal ??? LEL ?

btw you can have a infinite HW heal since it stacks in duration, this discussion is just stupid

uri92 · July 2013

It heals with a tweak. Your critical damages heal the nearby allies.

And munkey said his sacred flame could heal for 7k.

And of course the HW heals stack, that's why him saying he can reach 15k is bull****, cause that 15k is ONLY from HW, and it's from stacked HWs. The other healing use their own pop damage.

But he is elite you know, he can stack HWs to 15k.

munkey81 · July 2013

uri92 wrote: »

It heals with a tweak. Your critical damages heal the nearby allies.

And munkey said his sacred flame could heal for 7k.

And of course the HW heals stack, that's why him saying he can reach 15k is bull****, cause that 15k is ONLY from HW, and it's from stacked HWs. The other healing use their own pop damage.

But he is elite you know, he can stack HWs to 15k.

I said. In a rotation of dSL/self>dHW>sunburst normal, is generally good for 15k+ heals, and the videos prove that.

I posted the videos to show other clerics that there are clerics that are "not" being constantly 1 or 2 shot, and are viable as a healing role in PvP. Again, everyone of my videos shows that. Sure sometimes I get focused and locked to death, so does everyone else. Has absolutely nothing to do with a broken DC class.

Yes, Sacred Flame healing for 7k is HAMSTER, I admit that. Was looking it added up numbers. I atleast admit when I was wrong about something.

Everything else was, and is accurate.

As I've said before, I've had huge self/team crits with dHW. Biggest ones in these videos are around 6k. I not once said it happened all the time.

Many of you are flooding the forums with cries of being constantly one shot, and not being able to do anything. These videos are the exact opposite, whether you think there gear was lesser is besides the point. I q'd solo and did pugs, and did quite well, keeping myself and my team alive.

I'll be posting more videos, hopefully I can replicate the huge crits that I've had in the past.

I'll be posting videos of premades vs premades as well.

Instead of the majority of you talking smack, how about posting some videos of yourself?

I've got nothing to hide, and put myself out there. You've done nothing but complain since the patch. I've just showed you there is nothing wrong with the cleric, and still.....you guys have nothing but negative HAMSTER to talk about.

Please....post some videos, i'm dieing to see them

uri92 · July 2013

Not everyone feel the need to record some video in order to try to show off and demonstrate how elite you are. Not everyone throw everywhere on the forums that his build is great because it heals for 15k. Not everyone pretend sacred flame heals for 7k. You are the one doing all of that.

Now you prooved to everyone that your so much beloved build is a joke. I have a different build and my heals are the same or slightly higher. You are using Healer's Lore and that is the reason why your healing power is high, but it's the same for any other cleric with good GS.

Healing so much is not hard, but it doesn't help when you are getting killed in less than 2sec, with 2 people on you, or under CC. And I mean real players, not bots ignoring you, or players with 7k GS like in your first video. And don't try to tell me you never die in 2sec under CC, because my def is much higher than yours, and it happens to me too. The only thing that can save me from that to happen is my Soulforge enchantment, not my healing power. And dying in less than 2sec while knocked/cc happens often. Especially since people tend to focus the cleric. Odd it never happen in your first video.

Being able to heal for 15k with a HoT doesn't help about it, if you are knocked/CC and your opponents are as stuffed as you, then you can die very quick before your character manages to stand up. And the thruth is that all the others class can abuse of CC, not the cleric.

Don't get me wrong, I am not saying cleric is bad, I love the cleric. But being able to heal for so much is not of a great use, because it doesn't prevent you from dying in few sec under CC, and if you never die under CC in less than 3sec, then I think people on Mindflayer are lacking gear, but I doubt it's the case.

Of course it's not hard to perform well in PVP versus 7-9k GS people, when uber geared like we are.
Now try to think about the poor clerics with 8k GS trying to play pvp. They can't heal well, can't CC, can't dps, and they die in very few seconds. The other class have trouble too with 8k GS, but much less than a cleric. And I have played DC, TR, GF so far.

munkey81 · July 2013

uri92 wrote: »

Not everyone feel the need to record some video in order to try to show off and demonstrate how elite you are. Not everyone throw everywhere on the forums that his build is great because it heals for 15k. Not everyone pretend sacred flame heals for 7k. You are the one doing all of that.

Now you prooved to everyone that your so much beloved build is a joke. I have a different build and my heals are the same or slightly higher. You are using Healer's Lore and that is the reason why your healing power is high, but it's the same for any other cleric with good GS.

Healing so much is not hard, but it doesn't help when you are getting killed in less than 2sec, with 2 people on you, or under CC. And I mean real players, not bots ignoring you, or players with 7k GS like in your first video. And don't try to tell me you never die in 2sec under CC, because my def is much higher than yours, and it happens to me too. The only thing that can save me from that to happen is my Soulforge enchantment, not my healing power. And dying in less than 2sec while knocked/cc happens often. Especially since people tend to focus the cleric. Odd it never happen in your first video.

Being able to heal for 15k with a HoT doesn't help about it, if you are knocked/CC and your opponents are as stuffed as you, then you can die very quick before your character manages to stand up. And the thruth is that all the others class can abuse of CC, not the cleric.

Don't get me wrong, I am not saying cleric is bad, I love the cleric. But being able to heal for so much is not of a great use, because it doesn't prevent you from dying in few sec under CC, and if you never die under CC in less than 3sec, then I think people on Mindflayer are lacking gear, but I doubt it's the case.

Of course it's not hard to perform well in PVP versus 7-9k GS people, when uber geared like we are.
Now try to think about the poor clerics with 8k GS trying to play pvp. They can't heal well, can't CC, can't dps, and they die in very few seconds. The other class have trouble too with 8k GS, but much less than a cleric. And I have played DC, TR, GF so far.

I posted videos because I was asked too. I also said my build wasnt "special", but it is working for "me". If what you are using isnt working, you could check it out.

Everyone is going to get CC'd to death at some point. I dont know what you guys are expecting from a class that in every PvP scenario is going to be focused. Its obvious in my videos that I was focused, and sometimes just couldnt do anything but die. But its not happening every 2 seconds like you guys say it is. On the contrary most times I was able to heal through it, as well as keep my team alive. Again, now that I've posted videos, I really dont know what you guys are expecting from the class.

In one of the videos, I was 3 vs 1, and if you look, the guy at the end even complains and calls me HAMSTER for using healing pots. But I didnt use any, which makes it funny to me. Its obvious he was frustrated it took him and his 2 companions such a long time to kill 1 single cleric. Because of healing.

People said, show a video of you in a pug doing well as a cleric.

I did.

Now you say the other teams gear score is super low. Which I'm not saying may not be true, but how do you know that? I cerntainly wasnt running around inspecting people.

It seems like most of you will always have something negative to say, sooo whatever I guess

I'm doing fine in PvP and I love my cleric, and "I" dont feel its broken.

Remember, I doubt even a 1/3 of the population even looks at this forum. So the amount of people complaining about the cleric class is actually pretty low, when compared to the entire population.

sogronnwo · July 2013

I'd love to have the option to duel, now that's where I could invite guildmates, show that they are geared the same as I and all of them can either 2-3 shot me or CC me to death.

The DC is a free kill to all the other 4 classes in equal gear. That is all there is to it.

Surviving against lower geared players, or ones with bad strategy (basically not focusing you), or even poor encounter selection? Surviving against the CC train when your teammates can counter-CC them before you die? None of these arguments have anything to do with how the DC performs. And have certainly no connections with what your build is.

And no matter how much you want to retreat to "I only said 7k self D-HW initial crit tick was the largest, it's not all the time", the fact is that in BiS gear it's only around 5k and in your gear it's around 3,8k. There's no proc or buff in the game that gives you +100% heal. Even if you have perfect team setup and everyone's +power T2 setbonuses proc all at once it can't reach that.

So yeah, gj sticking the BS sticker on your own forehead with your videos.

sogronnwo · July 2013

Wanna see the DC problem?
Watch this:
http://www.twitch.tv/laudon/c/2436132
At 11:50.

DC skill, gear and build all amounts to this much. And you can't get much better at any of those than this guy. You can pause the video at 3:30 to see his character sheet.
Also note how much his premade CW friend could help him.

tyrtallow · July 2013

You are incompetent if you make it a point to allow people to 2-3 shot you. It's one thing to be caught off-guard and get one-shotted by a rogue because you didn't have your mitigation powers up, it's another to be expecting an attack and still die in just a few seconds anyway. Seriously? You couldn't run/LoS/dodge/drop AS or just remove yourself from the general area? This is an action game. All the stat/feat/class information in the world will only get you halfway to being a good PvPer - good positioning, being able to dodge other class' key powers reliably, using LoS and using your own powers reliably is the other half. Seriously, how bad must you be if you can't even use LoS to keep your character alive for just a few extra seconds, possibly longer? And against really good rogues do yourself and your team a favor and slot Chains of Blazing Light. The "trap" created by the spell is one of the few powers that will snare a stealthed rogue.

As for the reason munkey18 manages to survive in some of the fights. I honestly don't know what you people are smoking, talking about bigger and bigger heal numbers as if healing alone was the lifeblood the Devoted Cleric class. Healing is important, and so is cleanse, but all that is secondary to the one thing the Devoted Cleric brings to the table that makes us unique among other classes - AoE damage mitigation buffs. You're nuts if you think your heals are going to have a significant impact on someone getting bursted in PvP. Now drop even normal AS on him he might have a chance of surviving. Outside of combat people can simply use PvP pots or claim PvP area pots, which they should - if you keep healing your party mates to full you are actually doing more harm than good. You are basically encouraging enemy players to claim all PvP area pots.

gtxinsane · July 2013

Nobody has said healing is the bloodline of the cleric except munkey. That's where all this sh*tstorm is coming from. When somebody vehemently claims that his heals are over 9000 and is the main reason for living through "2TRs + CW" (i can look that up if you people want), but doesn't deliver (doesn't even fact check his own claims until it's pointed out to him), you're bound to get an angry mob at your back.

Can clerics do well in PvP as a healer? Yes. But it's not because of the class, it's the player. Anybody who has the basics down can do well in PvP, regardless of class, it still doesn't mean that there is nothing wrong with the class. Player skill should make a normal class better, not a poor class mediocore. The devoted cleric has nothing on the Priest class of Dragon Nest (another action mmo).

chohot · July 2013

First of all, I can definitely tell, you are not as experienced in pvp as a DC. Your first mistake with healing word. You should ALWAYS be using it with no divinity first so it goes to atleast 1-2 stacks so it is always building up. Then use it in divinity. If you cast it without divinity, it gets on cooldown for 1 second and it starts ticking for building the stack back. Then after the cooldown is off of 1 second, then cast with divinity to get the most out of it. All I see you doing it just using it in divinity straight off the bat on people who can just be healed with normal healing word. You might as well use it to the maximum efficiency. After you use healing word in divinity, you cannot cast it again until 3 seconds later.

Pretty much, normal cast healing word, then cast it in divinity and use the stacks... you should almost never have 3 stacks. It's also the same with divinity. You should never have 3 stacks with that either because you would be using it so much. The same applies to healing word.

Also, when you use sunburst, always get the habit of changing to divinity mode even if you don't have linked spirit. If you use sunburst, then switch to divinity, it procs linked spirit which is a really good habit of doing. Switch to divinity the second after you cast sunburst to get the linked spirit bonus and you do not lose any divinity. OR you can just proc linked spirit with divinity. That's if you have linked spirit anyways.

munkey81 · July 2013

chohot wrote: »

First of all, I can definitely tell, you are not as experienced in pvp as a DC. Your first mistake with healing word. You should ALWAYS be using it with no divinity first so it goes to atleast 1-2 stacks so it is always building up. Then use it in divinity. If you cast it without divinity, it gets on cooldown for 1 second and it starts ticking for building the stack back. Then after the cooldown is off of 1 second, then cast with divinity to get the most out of it. All I see you doing it just using it in divinity straight off the bat on people who can just be healed with normal healing word. You might as well use it to the maximum efficiency. After you use healing word in divinity, you cannot cast it again until 3 seconds later.

Pretty much, normal cast healing word, then cast it in divinity and use the stacks... you should almost never have 3 stacks. It's also the same with divinity. You should never have 3 stacks with that either because you would be using it so much. The same applies to healing word.

Also, when you use sunburst, always get the habit of changing to divinity mode even if you don't have linked spirit. If you use sunburst, then switch to divinity, it procs linked spirit which is a really good habit of doing. Switch to divinity the second after you cast sunburst to get the linked spirit bonus and you do not lose any divinity. OR you can just proc linked spirit with divinity. That's if you have linked spirit anyways.

Whatever my experience may be, its working for me quite well. I know how HW works. Generally when I am able I will use HW normal first, but in a tense fight with someone going down quickly, I will use SL then dHW, then sunburst>normal HW, because they will be running at the full 23%healing bonus from the build.

I missed a fiew LS, /shrug

I'm very excited for you to show me your videos so I can learn something

Until then

Cheers!

munkey81 · July 2013

gtxinsane wrote: »

Nobody has said healing is the bloodline of the cleric except munkey. That's where all this sh*tstorm is coming from. When somebody vehemently claims that his heals are over 9000 and is the main reason for living through "2TRs + CW" (i can look that up if you people want), but doesn't deliver (doesn't even fact check his own claims until it's pointed out to him), you're bound to get an angry mob at your back.

Can clerics do well in PvP as a healer? Yes. But it's not because of the class, it's the player. Anybody who has the basics down can do well in PvP, regardless of class, it still doesn't mean that there is nothing wrong with the class. Player skill should make a normal class better, not a poor class mediocore. The devoted cleric has nothing on the Priest class of Dragon Nest (another action mmo).

In a rotation my heals are well over 9k, the videos proved that.

The majority of the complaints is that clerics cant "heal". Which is why I even started talking on this ridiculous forum anyway. Clerics quitting every second because they say they "cant heal", and die in 2 seconds to everyone every single time. I did my best to prove that, and have in everyone of the videos I posted.

You guys are like children, always have to have something to complain about it.

Go play a ****ing rogue like everyone else

arshaddox · July 2013

For goodness's sake , enough with the brag already. Cleric DIES TOO QUICK. THE OTHER CLASSES ARE BROKEN. Seems I wasn't the only one observing this. Right monkey ? :cool:

morsitans · July 2013

First, props for actually posting videos. Haven't watched em yet, but will: to glean what hints/tips in playstyle I can. Especially interested to learn how you actually kill people.

Second: don't think people were so much saying "I can't heal" as much as "heals don't scale with damage at level cap" (they don't) and "self heals suffering from a constant 40% debuff are both noticable, and noticeably stupid". We're horrendously vulnerable to CC and burst damage, we're easy to spot and we have a reputation for being free kills: even played exceptionally well, we're going to be taking a ton of flak. If we could keep ourselves alive more easily, people wouldn't be quite so tempted to gank us. Yes, if you can stick down your mitigations/up-front HoTs you can occupy the enemy for quite some time, but that's a pretty big "if". Fail that and it's frequently stunlock>>death. LOL FREE KILL.
We're the only class that has to actually decide on a trade-off between heals and damage: everyone else has a single task of "kill stuff". As a consequence of being able to heal, we have a lower damage output (we don't have a skillset that is virtually all 'attacks', for instance), but as noted, healing doesn't scale with damage at 60: you can do a 10k rotation heal, but a TR can do 20k in a single attack. And you have great gear!
So we basically do either insufficient healing, insufficient damage, or a mix of both. Played well, with good gear, it's managable (clearly), but every other class can simply roll up to PvP in blues and murder themselves a bunch of people relatively easily. And most of those people will probably be clerics.

Thirdly: jesus wept, people. Clerics have enough problems without constant infighting as well.

P.S. A little less hyperbole might be nice. From everyone, really. This includes things like "you didn't use HW in exactly this fashion therefore you're inexperienced" (dude is rocking earned ancients and 4/4 MH: that is unlikely to be inexperienced any way you slice it), but also includes things like "and [saying they] die in 2 seconds to everyone every single time", which nobody has ever said.

munkey81 · July 2013

I'm in agreeance with Morsitans.

All in all guys, i've always done my best to try and help out all the fellow clerics in this forum to the best of my ability. I've never made an attempt to troll or belittle someone, and through all my posts, out of pure frustration I have made the comment "L2P", maybe once or twice.

I made a bull**** comment about the huge heals with Sacred Flame and I was wrong, I've admitted it and moved on, if you want to crucify me for a mistake then so be it, I'm already over it.

All the comments are generally about clerics not being viable, not being able to heal, not being able to survive against anyone 1 vs 1 and being a wasted slot in a PvP party. Then to all the comments about "oh your just geared", or "hes just under geared".

I've never bragged, or said I was better then anyone else. I have said "I" consider myself among the elite yes, and I still feel that way. I am still getting better, as I PvP constantly.

When something doesnt go my way, I figure out a way around it, to do better. I read the forums, talk to other clerics, see what works for them. So I fealt it my duty as a cleric in the community, to do my best by helping other people, obviously having problems. Its every other day someone makes a thread out of anger and frustration at the DC class. I was doing my best to help

I've been called a troll, liar, duschbag, idiot, Pay to Play ****, amongst many others.

I've been asked to show my build, my stats, my rotations in pvp and pve. All of which I've done

I was asked to show videos, all of which I've done, and other then my idiot comment about the SF heals, all is accurate from what I've said in earliar posts. Whether I had a huge dHW crit in the videos is besides the point, believe it or not I care less. It happened, and will continue to happen, however often is not the point.

I dont really know what else to say to you guys. If anyone not reading these posts came across the video's that I made, the absolute last thing on there mind to think of saying would be "wow, the DC class sure does suck". Only a fool would think otherwise.

The videos show a cleric being able to survive through burst damage,(not hiding in the corner), healing through multiple CC's, and keeping entire teams alive, all while being focused, sometimes by the entire team.

If your goal of playing a cleric is to never die then yes. Definately quit the class, quit the game for that matter, because its never going to happen. Everyone dies, its PvP. Get used to it, and get better, or role the flavor of the month class like so many other people tend to do.

I wish you all the best of luck with whatever class you decide to play, and eventually we will all meet on the battlefield when the servers merge.

I've wasted entirely too much time trying to convince people otherwise of the DC class and you've won. GL to you all, no more posts from me on the Cleric forums

Can reach me most days in the morning on Mindflayer

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GL to you all, Cheers!

scozzers · July 2013

I think it's the manner in which you've put forward some of your opinions that has irked some people (as well as your reactions to criticism) but don't forget there are probably more than a few lurkers who get useful info from your posts and you'd be doing them a disservice (as well as yourself) by quitting the forum. At least you "put your money where your mouth is" so to speak. Respect for that at least.

gtxinsane · July 2013

Even in your swan song you exude arrogance. I can point out a million things you still haven't admitted, or any reason for people to think you are "elite". And i'll just assume you're new to the internet to not know of "over 9000".

However, you've done great service to other clerics by posting your builds, your rotations, and the video, that much I applaud of you.

xelliz · July 2013

Basically here is what I see.

Lots of people *****ing about Cleric and justifiably so.

One...maybe two people actually trying to post suggestions for other Clerics. Unless I missed some of these posts it seems to me that only Munkey is posting suggestions, while everyone else seems to be saying "prove it." Proof is fine, but if you're not helping Clerics then STFU.

Everyone who doesn't appear to be posting suggesting (again I may have missed these posts, but since the Cleric topic is dead, I don't think I have) jumping on the one person who appears to be posting suggestions for not proving 100% that he is GOD of PVP.

I have a L60 Cleric with pretty much only PVP purples from glory. I still play him, finishing up solo quests and occasionally queue dungeons/skirmish. I PVP very little because I have what I am sure is a **** build, since I have not respec'd once since starting the char. When I do PVP, if I run into equal geared players 7-9k GS I do alright. Premades or high geared **** me.

justkaz · July 2013

lerapiso wrote: »

- Pickup Avatar
- High sized flame signature
- Can't stop shaking his camera when he attacks something
- Trash tier Music
- Can't even play properly a 3 buttons game

Confirmed for 14y old redneck

/thread

2nd post said it the best. I couldn't even sit through half of the first video due to how bad the screenshaking was (in-game combined with his own twitchy mouse movements), the terrible music, and bad gameplay. Gave me a headache.

Never puts down a Div. Astral Shield and dies the second he gets focused. Bad PvP'er acting like he's amazing when he's anything but.

justkaz · July 2013

munkey81 wrote: »

All in all guys, i've always done my best to try and help out all the fellow clerics in this forum to the best of my ability. I've never made an attempt to troll or belittle someone, and through all my posts, out of pure frustration I have made the comment "L2P", maybe once or twice.

LOL what a bunch of BS. All you've ever done in this section is troll and belittle people, as well as brag about your build, gameplay, and amazing heals. Nice try, bro.

munkey81 wrote: »

I made a bull**** comment about the huge heals with Sacred Flame and I was wrong, I've admitted it and moved on, if you want to crucify me for a mistake then so be it, I'm already over it.

You made that comment, then refused to back down when others called you out on it. You repeatedly claimed to have those impossible self heals when every Cleric knows it's just more BS coming from you.

munkey81 wrote: »

All the comments are generally about clerics not being viable, not being able to heal, not being able to survive against anyone 1 vs 1 and being a wasted slot in a PvP party. Then to all the comments about "oh your just geared", or "hes just under geared".

Bad players whine on the forums and there are a ton of bad players in every game, especially Neverwinter.

DC is no different than every other class. There are bad players with bad gear of all classes. They will never stop whining about their own class sucking and others being OP, when the fact is, it's them that's to blame for their own suckage. Your self-imposed crusade to "spread the word" on how Clerics are fine in both PvE and PvP fall on deaf ears. The bad Clerics will never learn how to improve themselves and would rather just whine and troll on the forums. Meanwhile, the good Clerics are happily playing this game and doing fine.

All the good players know that Clerics are viable in PvP but they need a good group to back them up and peel focus fire off of them. Otherwise, they're a wasted slot in a PvP group because there are better, more OP classes in this game for PvP.

munkey81 wrote: »

I've never bragged, or said I was better then anyone else. I have said "I" consider myself among the elite yes, and I still feel that way. I am still getting better, as I PvP constantly.

More garbage lies. Maybe if you keep telling yourself and others that you don't brag, people will actually believe you. Maybe not.

munkey81 wrote: »

When something doesnt go my way, I figure out a way around it, to do better. I read the forums, talk to other clerics, see what works for them. So I fealt it my duty as a cleric in the community, to do my best by helping other people, obviously having problems. Its every other day someone makes a thread out of anger and frustration at the DC class. I was doing my best to help

You don't help when you troll and flame others... particularly frustrated DCs that make those whine threads. There are others around here that are actually helpful to those in need. You're not one of them, so stop trying to pretend like you're some sort of savior in this community when you're the exact opposite of what you describe yourself as.

munkey81 wrote: »

I've been called a troll, liar, duschbag, idiot, Pay to Play ****, amongst many others.

That's because you're all of the above. Good job recognizing this fact.

munkey81 wrote: »

I've been asked to show my build, my stats, my rotations in pvp and pve. All of which I've done

You want a cookie? A medal? A pat on the back?

munkey81 wrote: »

I was asked to show videos, all of which I've done, and other then my idiot comment about the SF heals, all is accurate from what I've said in earliar posts. Whether I had a huge dHW crit in the videos is besides the point, believe it or not I care less. It happened, and will continue to happen, however often is not the point.

Yeah, when you finally posted your videos (which are HAMSTER), you had no more excuses and got caught red handed in your "idiot comment." People also now see that you're nothing special and aren't a god of a DC that you made yourself out to be. At least you didn't post videos of you and your buttbuddy GF 2-shotting all the randies in 5v5.

munkey81 wrote: »

I dont really know what else to say to you guys. If anyone not reading these posts came across the video's that I made, the absolute last thing on there mind to think of saying would be "wow, the DC class sure does suck". Only a fool would think otherwise.

Don't say anything. Please. Just leave this forum so we can finally be rid of your annoying attitude and egotistical remarks in every single Cleric-related thread.

munkey81 wrote: »

The videos show a cleric being able to survive through burst damage,(not hiding in the corner), healing through multiple CC's, and keeping entire teams alive, all while being focused, sometimes by the entire team.

Actually, I saw you hiding plenty of times in your video. You also couldn't survive being focused by 2 players. You basically insta-died in several instances when the GF knocked you out of your non-Divinity yellow circle lol.

munkey81 wrote: »

If your goal of playing a cleric is to never die then yes. Definately quit the class, quit the game for that matter, because its never going to happen. Everyone dies, its PvP. Get used to it, and get better, or role the flavor of the month class like so many other people tend to do.

Obviously everyone dies in this game. Not even sure what your point is. Oh, and a properly spec'd, geared, and played GWF and GF are almost impossible to kill, especially against bad players with bad gear. Just throwing that out there for ya.

munkey81 wrote: »

I wish you all the best of luck with whatever class you decide to play, and eventually we will all meet on the battlefield when the servers merge.

I've wasted entirely too much time trying to convince people otherwise of the DC class and you've won. GL to you all, no more posts from me on the Cleric forums

Nobody needed you to convince them of anything. It was your own decision to troll every Cleric thread on this forum everyday. We've wasted too much time reading and responding to your BS posts. Good riddance. Though I doubt this is the last time we'll have to deal with your antics around here.

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