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capgarnas
Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 500 Bounty Hunter
Message to the Devs.
You may feel you’ve got the balancing right in PVP. I disagree with respect to the current state of the CW's. I’m not saying nerf all others what im saying is buff the class.
For example:
The Stealth mechanics of the rogues COS spamming constantly. This gets old real fast. Stealth COS spam Stealth COS spam. We don’t have the health pool and damage mitigation to do anything other than teleport away.
The rogues ITC immunity to CCs and dodge mechanics to evade the cc’s.
The GWF insane ability to Heal and stun lock us to death combined with their immunity to CCs. (they needed some love but might be a bit much)
The stun locking effects of a GF in close coupled with their 40’ gap closer stuns and high burst damage.
The end PVP game is built around stacking Tenes. You designed it that way and that’s how it is. So classes with big health pools now do massive burst damage.
The CW class is now relegated to support class that relies on the other classes to give it momentum. We can still rack up good kills but only on the back of the others work.
If your not going to boost our CC times and your going to make other classes immune in any case then the survivability or burst damage of the CW has to be changed in PVP. If you can reduce our CC times in PVP then you can make other changes that don’t effect PVE.
P.S please fix all our powers and feats bugs.
You may feel you’ve got the balancing right in PVP. I disagree with respect to the current state of the CW's. I’m not saying nerf all others what im saying is buff the class.
For example:
The Stealth mechanics of the rogues COS spamming constantly. This gets old real fast. Stealth COS spam Stealth COS spam. We don’t have the health pool and damage mitigation to do anything other than teleport away.
The rogues ITC immunity to CCs and dodge mechanics to evade the cc’s.
The GWF insane ability to Heal and stun lock us to death combined with their immunity to CCs. (they needed some love but might be a bit much)
The stun locking effects of a GF in close coupled with their 40’ gap closer stuns and high burst damage.
The end PVP game is built around stacking Tenes. You designed it that way and that’s how it is. So classes with big health pools now do massive burst damage.
The CW class is now relegated to support class that relies on the other classes to give it momentum. We can still rack up good kills but only on the back of the others work.
If your not going to boost our CC times and your going to make other classes immune in any case then the survivability or burst damage of the CW has to be changed in PVP. If you can reduce our CC times in PVP then you can make other changes that don’t effect PVE.
P.S please fix all our powers and feats bugs.
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The trick is sometimes you have to run and bide your time for the right time to strike, and that means maybe not running in like you are the tank. I can't tell you how many times I have seen CW's lead the charge.
Simple stuff.
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Dont care. You play TR. dont need to here what u "think" is the way the class performs. I do play the class a lot
I do not wish for the CW to own all. I wish for it to be competitive again becuase at present its not.
Dont need someone who doesnt play the class telling what they "think" the class can or cant do.
Its Simple.....CW players just like the other toons wish to be competitive. We got nerfed and the others got buffed. Its not balanced.
You're missing the whole point.
As it stands right now, we can't control distance because half of the time the other player is invulnerable to CC.
Rogue - Stealth and Hard to Catch (or whatever its called), GF - Block, which we have to cast MM to knock down the bar, however generally the space gap isn't enough to get the bar down, especially when they have a ranged knock down. GWF - Rage allows them to close the gap at a quick pace AND become invulnerable to CC. The rage/recovery builds that are fad right now are particularly overpowered, in my opinion.
I'm not saying I have no chance of winning these encounters... as I do, however it is usually due to outgearing the other player significantly, or it is by the other player playing extremely poorly.
I don't expect any buffs, as they were nerfed for a reason. But if cryptic decided to nerf the **** out of the only viable skills/feats of CW, they could have at least shown the decency to fix half the skills/feats that don't even work/are bugged. Is that too much to ask for?
so far the only class the we can actually control its DC and other CW hella
the Control class are :
GWF - Once got u in kd stun u warp in respawn point ( - no time for dodge teleport or other skill )
GF - once landed first kd succesfull u are 80% dead ( exce. its a tank GF )
TR - why waste controls Stealth and spawn CoS ( CW its like killing rats in town )
and THE great CONTROL wizard :
attenmpt to control any of above ....oh shiet to bad hes imune
Looking at it like this, I think you just gave the devs a compliment for a job well done
Permastealth is not so much a problem, you just need to walk around more. Trust me, many more people are picking up on this and the ones that do make life not so fun for a TR, especially the squisy permastealthers.
CoS....the weakness is that it takes ages to get the full load back again, but the damage is insane. Be happy CW's got a dodge, use it.
As for stunlocking, the GWF have two dailies, a knockdown and an interrupt that can be feated to stun. They've got plenty of weakness trying to put them on you though. But GF's... I don't know... either they lock you or you kill them...skill and gear I guess.
And a damage immunity lasts only a few seconds.
But what makes CW's actually about control, even though every other class has some cc too, is the speed and versatility of that control. CW's can do potentially everything, and quite well too; prone, daze, slow, push, pull and choke.
And use the arcane buildup to your advantage....it really does add up.
This is someone new to PvP. As it has been made clear before, if you don't realise thar TRs, GWFs and GWs are the pvp kings, you're still in baby-mode pvp.
CWs are sometimes ok in that.. with a daily up, they can maybe one shot a TR or another CW or so. However, if you're losing to a CW as decently geared anything else, you've got issues, not vice versa. CC doesn't exist in this game against classes with CC immunity/stealth/massive defence, etc etc
this is coming from a CW that screwed up my build and need to repec feats badly, but doesn't have the AD to do so yet. I believe it is all about the powers you choose for PVP the matches.
I haven't PVP'd with all the classes yet. CW is all I have experience with.
This is what i find as well. The animation time of chillstrike is a killer. I find that the when the GWF and GF advance there is limited time to nuke them down. Ussually for a gf you need to do it between 80-40' and then they are in at will closing range. Then its the teleport close teleport close game.
Okay i dont think you read what i said. We are strong off the back of a winning team. You run premades enough said.
I almost never lose to other CW. Yes have used rays tabbed. Yes if we get 2 rays off and an iceknife it can kill. But what if you cast that iceknife and the following happens. Which happens all too often
GF blocks up. Rogue dodges. GWF deflects even when they arent immune. Its not like SE with a no miss capability.
Rogues: blinking twice cuts cos DMG by over half. Then it becomes a skill game of how good you are at dodging lashing and/or shocking if they didn't use lurkers like most stealth builds do.
Gf: if he blocks anything he cannot kill you in a stun rotation. Their high DMG build requires a full block meter. Fair trade if he starts blocking all your cc.
Clerics/wizards: battle of attrition and crits more or less. Whoever dodges best wins.
I'm not saying wizards are op at all. But generally speaking if you're getting destroyed by other classes you are either not as good a player as you think you are or you are terribly out geared/enchanted and that's the problem, not your class.
I play a cleric and really the only class that destroys me is super geared gfs because I have no way to force a block out of them. I just have to try and dodge their knockdowns. Or die.
Also pvp is stupid since CWs are the only class that dont have some sort of protection agains cc unless u blink...but if the server lags,you still get ccd while blinking or right before blinking with the animation on progress..
If at all, the class needs another nerf... And please.. Learn to play your braindead class, before you start crying all over again..
Thats ranged for you, stand behind your melee and pew pew. If you end up in a scenario were you have no sustaineble melee vs alot of melee you're supose to be ****ed. Every game with decent pvp ballance melee have advantege over ranged. If they don't, there's no point of having melee classes tbh. You can easily do good on a CW if you have the melee support on your group. But moast matches are filled with CW's and TR's and they gonna have a tough time against oposing teams with much more ballanced setups. But I agree with you on TR's. It's pretty silly that they can hit for 15k without even breaking stealth.
the only class that is currently overpowered is gf ..2 much dmg
my issue whit cw atm is half the skills and feats are 1 broken or 2 not working as they describe ( aka intended)
Cool story bro.
You play a DC right. You dont play the class. To say it nicely how would you even know ?
So funny getting 2 cents from people who dont even play the class.
I will give u a ribbon for participating.
I really dont see how we will own the rogue damage level ranged class.
Im not really sure if i subscribe to your melee must beat ranged theory. Why must they. Surely there must be a point of balance. It certainly isnt against a GF within their at will range.