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  • dkcandydkcandy Member Posts: 1,555 Bounty Hunter
    edited July 2013
    abombination247 - Bots are not farming the 4k AD. They are farming the Glory which is turned into AD.

    You really should pull your head out of the sand and look around.
  • tang56tang56 Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    If you are poor and need 4k AD a day I can give you that so that way PvP will be better. I mean you really need 4k AD a day which is hurting PvP? Doesn't make sense. Why do you PvP ? If its only for the AD reward then that is the problem.

    Free AD for playing PvP with friends, why wouldn't I want it?
    RIP Neverwinter 26/06/2014
  • kevinf08kevinf08 Member Posts: 432 Bounty Hunter
    edited July 2013
    tuuserail wrote: »
    This.

    However, there's a side effect to this. I've played an MMO once that didn't give any form of valuable rewards to the losing party, the indirect result from this was that it discourages people from actually participating after a while when they saw several people/groups dominating the arena, or when someone just started doing pvp/arena itself proly because of the psychological effect of "not getting anything anyway, why bother?".

    TBH this is a fair compromise for getting rid of bots and afkers.

    When there are bots the team with less bots will dominate the arena. When you queue up and have bots on your team eventually teh psychological effect will be, why bother, always with the bots!.

    So really very little changes.

    The problem you mention could also be remedied by a ranking system. using a system such as ELO from league of legends would make most players average around 50% win ratio, since the more you lose the worst players you will play thus increasing your chances of actually winning. Matching through gear score would probably have a similar effect, as well as making separate queues for premades (although this idea would probably be negatively receieved by certain people due to longer queues and inability to e-peen pub stomp).
    I didn't say substitute with glory. I said substitute with a PvP reward like glory. A new shop perhaps where you trade daily coins in. For new PvP elixirs and pots. The list can go on the fact is. AD isn't the correct reward. Anything would be a better reward then AD.

    If the rewards were bound it could potentially work. Really though I personally would just prefer the AD since I can buy the superior PVE equipment with AD to use in PVP. Personally I"ve been using my glory to make AD for nearly 2 months now. Really though, stripping the rewards for losing will remedy all the problems with afkers and bots, since you are making it very very likely that your team will lose by afking/botting and will generally not be rewarded for doing so.

    You did indeed, however, mention glory as a possible reward.

    So yeah, bots and afkers are like cockroaches. The best way to get rid of them is to not give them something to feed on.
  • dkcandydkcandy Member Posts: 1,555 Bounty Hunter
    edited July 2013
    Also the bots that are farming glory are most likely kids and not the chinese websites. The Chinese sites farm leadership as you can make much more and not noticeable by players. It's also farmed from the gateway and not in-game.
  • thesipeliusthesipelius Member Posts: 95
    edited July 2013
    I bet it has been stated on the four previous pages but I'll still say it without checking: I don't like PvP pretty much at all and I enjoy dungeons more. On the other hand I don't see PvE and PvP as separate games and neither should anyone with a right mind. That's why the little AD bonus lures also PvE players to do some PvPing every once in a while. I probably would never do the PvP without the dailies and the bonus glory events (buy the items, sell for AD).
  • tuuserailtuuserail Member Posts: 29 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    Then suggest something! We know that the AD reward doesn't work. I made this post for a constructive talk about the better options. Your suggestions for rewards are ?

    Mine.

    LESS EXTREME SUGGESTIONS
    - Remove PVP from daily requirements, or at the very least reduce the required amount to finish the daily to one time only with reduced amount of AD gain.
    - Replacing armor rewards with vanity rewards, costumes, titles, mounts, etc.

    EXTREME SUGGESTIONS
    - Separate PVP and PVE effectiveness of gear. Implement a PVP specific damage reduction/mitigation, and/or diminishing returns. In return, introduce PVP specific armor penetration stats that's only available on PVP gear.
    - Lower the power stats on PVP gear to reduce it's effectiveness in PVE.
    - All PVP rewards are BoP and cannot be auctioned.
    The above were meant to produce these effects:
    People who never (or rarely) done any PVP will never suddenly own people who does just because they farm dungeons 24/7.
    People who does PVP all the time would still be able to do dungeons/PVE content but with far reduced effectiveness from using PVP gear if they do use them in PVE.
    People who does PVE all the time and rarely do any PVP would still be able to PVP but not to the extent that they own PVPer just because they have a full set of T2 gear with teneb/vorpal from farming dungeons all the time.
    This will provide more diversity from gear distribution and variations and should made gear (even class) balancing a bit easier since Cryptic could focus on one area of game content at one time (PVP or PVE) and not both should they need to do so from equipment/gear perspective.
  • bpskibbenheimsbpskibbenheims Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild Users Posts: 210 Bounty Hunter
    edited July 2013
    You
    bring
    nothing
    to
    this
    topic
    troll!

    You calling someone else a troll is hilarious. Brightens my day a bit.

    Keep making multiple threads to complain about the same things, offering absurd fixes that only serve you, crying about TRs, and bragging about leaving matches because you can't win.
    "Confusion is the T-Rex of tire faucets."
    -Sir Bartholomew P. Skibbenheims III, Esquire, Twice Removed


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  • abombination247abombination247 Member Posts: 1,279 Bounty Hunter
    edited July 2013
    dkcandy wrote: »
    abombination247 - Bots are not farming the 4k AD. They are farming the Glory which is turned into AD.

    You really should pull your head out of the sand and look around.

    Ok that I do know that bots are farming glory. Also you do know that AD is the wrong reward and doesn't reward PvPers.
  • abombination247abombination247 Member Posts: 1,279 Bounty Hunter
    edited July 2013
    I bet it has been stated on the four previous pages but I'll still say it without checking: I don't like PvP pretty much at all and I enjoy dungeons more. On the other hand I don't see PvE and PvP as separate games and neither should anyone with a right mind. That's why the little AD bonus lures also PvE players to do some PvPing every once in a while. I probably would never do the PvP without the dailies and the bonus glory events (buy the items, sell for AD).

    The problem is luring PvE players in to not contribute and have no intention of PvPing. I am mainly a PvPer. How about I join your DD PvE event and do nothing? Fair is Fair. You wouldn't like that would you. This is how it is.
  • kevinf08kevinf08 Member Posts: 432 Bounty Hunter
    edited July 2013
    Ok that I do know that bots are farming glory. Also you do know that AD is the wrong reward and doesn't reward PvPers.

    Do explain.

    Last I checked every single PVP reward can be purchased with AD via the auction house.

    Not only that, you can buy the PVE gear that is alot better than the PVP rewards with AD.

    PVP potions can also be bought with AD.

    SO, please do explain how AD isn't rewarding pvpers?
  • dkcandydkcandy Member Posts: 1,555 Bounty Hunter
    edited July 2013
    The only reason I pug PvP is for the daily reward. PvP has no challenge and pugs get destroyed.

    The only time me and my mates have a good time in PvP is when we do arranged Guild vs. Guild Premade challenges.
  • tarmalentarmalen Member Posts: 1,020 Bounty Hunter
    edited July 2013
    Taking away one reward and replacing with another reward would solve nothing.
  • abombination247abombination247 Member Posts: 1,279 Bounty Hunter
    edited July 2013
    kevinf08 wrote: »
    Do explain.

    Last I checked every single PVP reward can be purchased with AD via the auction house.

    Not only that, you can buy the PVE gear that is alot better than the PVP rewards with AD.

    PVP potions can also be bought with AD.

    SO, please do explain how AD isn't rewarding pvpers?

    Is it really that hard to understand that in order to fix something that you have to adjust it. There needs to be 2 separate currency and PvP gear should be BoP. Multiple issues need to be addressed but when you put a really bad reward like 4k AD it makes it attractive to player that have no intention on doing the event just doing it for the reward. If you don't plan on PvPing then don't. Right now that isn't the case. You get players that are like I need to afk in 1 more PvP match in my greens so I can get my daily so I can work on my PvE gear.

    Maybe all the PvP players should que for the next DD and go afk its the same thing. You should be PvPing for a PvP reward. You should be doing a DD for a PvE reward. Its common sense really. The fact some don't get this /mind blown.

    A good option with fixing this reward would be making everything in the PvP shop BoE so it can't be AH. That would fix a lot there too.
  • abombination247abombination247 Member Posts: 1,279 Bounty Hunter
    edited July 2013
    tarmalen wrote: »
    Taking away one reward and replacing with another reward would solve nothing.

    Actually it would solve a lot.
  • kevinf08kevinf08 Member Posts: 432 Bounty Hunter
    edited July 2013
    Is it really that hard to understand that in order to fix something that you have to adjust it. There needs to be 2 separate currency and PvP gear should be BoP.

    Is it really that hard to understand that the changes you propose are absolutely unnecessary if Cryptic simply removed the rewards for losing PVP matches as well as changed the daily to "win 2 pvp matches" instead of "complete 4 pvp matches"?
  • abombination247abombination247 Member Posts: 1,279 Bounty Hunter
    edited July 2013
    kevinf08 wrote: »
    Is it really that hard to understand that the changes you propose are absolutely unnecessary if Cryptic simply removed the rewards for losing PVP matches as well as changed the daily to "win 2 pvp matches" instead of "complete 4 pvp matches"?


    Sigh. Read my previous post.
  • manholiomanholio Member Posts: 493 Bounty Hunter
    edited July 2013
    Sigh. Read my previous post.

    Your Guard Meter is depleted. Lulz.
  • derpaderpistderpaderpist Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    Maybe you don't want the pvp reward but rest of the people playing the game do , so feel free not to take your daily quest while pee vee pee-ing or w/e the fk you're doing there getting murdered and HAMSTER .
    " We live in an age of the cheaply made, disposable, high priced junk. " - theunwarshed
  • azmoran11azmoran11 Member Posts: 51
    edited July 2013
    Some people just want to kill any reason to play the game. So sad.
  • gnominiongnominion Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users Posts: 42
    edited July 2013
    dkcandy wrote: »
    abombination247 - Bots are not farming the 4k AD. They are farming the Glory which is turned into AD.

    You really should pull your head out of the sand and look around.

    Although I don't agree with taking the AD from the reward, I do see their point. If they are farming glory to sell things for AD then the AD reward (which requires no selling in a fluctuating market ) would be an added enticement. But I do also understand what you are trying to say as well. Just taking AD away won't fix the issue.

    Honestly, the only solution I see is by making glory less valuable to the bot farmers. BoP the products bought with glory is the only way I see that it may deter bot farmers. BoE would solve nothing if they didn't choose to equip it.
    Ok that I do know that bots are farming glory. Also you do know that AD is the wrong reward and doesn't reward PvPers.
    I disagree with this. Actually, AD can affect those that PVP. You can convert the AD to Zen for purchasing bank slots, bags, etc (not diresctly affecting PVP). You can also use the AD to purchase enhancements from the auction house which does influence PVP.

    It seems as though some of you have forgotten there are people that play the game mostly PVE, and never do PVP without the daily. But there are also those out there that mostly PVE but do enjoy PVP from time to time (myself included). I
  • tang56tang56 Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    Is it really that hard to understand that in order to fix something that you have to adjust it. There needs to be 2 separate currency and PvP gear should be BoP.
    The last thing this game needs is another currency.
    Let me see, we already have:
    1. Astral Diamonds
    2. Gold
    3. Ardent Coins
    4. Celestial Coins
    5. Seal of the Lion
    6. Seal of the Drake
    7. Seal of the Unicorn
    8. Seal of the Manitcore
    9. Seal of the Pegasus
    10. Glory
    11. Grym Coin
    12. Valinda Bones
    13. Upcoming favor tokens for the Lliira event
    14. and a different bounty for each area

    BoP PvP gear sounds perfectly reasonable though.
    RIP Neverwinter 26/06/2014
  • rapticorrapticor Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 1,078 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    If you are poor and need 4k AD a day I can give you that so that way PvP will be better. I mean you really need 4k AD a day which is hurting PvP? Doesn't make sense. Why do you PvP ? If its only for the AD reward then that is the problem.

    I'll take you up on that. What server are you on? I'd gladly have someone give me 4k AD for me to not do the PvP matches. Also I have four characters so that will be 16k, thanks.

    While I'm against bound items in general I think for PvP the items should not be tradeable . That would solve a lot more problems than eliminating the AD rewards will.
  • sh4dowrunn3rsh4dowrunn3r Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 17 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    We want pvp rewards.

    And solution to bots is so simple just add something we all want ... pvp rankings and matchmaking based on them. Bots will suck on rankings and will get to fight each other and not bother real players. New players will get special, free bot training until they raise their ranking and then get to face real players. This fixes problem of bots ruining pvp experience for players.

    For other aspects of botting there is no fix that doesn't involve all players also quitting (no rewards or everything in game bound on pickup, no trading whatsoever allowed) - and even then botters will sell game accounts (so making game singleplayer is solution :P).
  • yasha00yasha00 Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 479 Bounty Hunter
    edited July 2013
    Most of the listed problems on the forums and a lot of QQ about bots, afkers, players just wanting to get there daily in depending on bracket 1-4 games. It makes sense to some taking a break from whatever they are doing to que up if they are low on AD and broke cause they don't know how to make AD to try and afk threw the PvP daily for 4000AD.

    This is the problem!! Please remove AD from the PvP daily. I don't do PvP or the daily for it and don't want AD as a reward. Its stupid. Why would you reward me a PvP player with a PvE currency. Not only that you are encouraging botters and afkers to join a PvP game for this very small #$%^ reward. The current #$#% reward draws even worse players that don't care to do there daily AFK.

    Simple fix to the afk, botter movement is the reward. I much rather have a PvP reward for the PvP daily. Maybe I am the only one that thinks this is common sense but really.

    The rewards could be
    PvP pots or battle elixirs
    Glory
    PvP unique dyes.
    Coins to use in a PvP shop

    Ect...ect...ect.. Remove AD as a reward from our PvP we don't want it. We do 20 matches a day and would like to see some PvP rewards from it. I doubt players would stop after there dungeon for PvP rewards to afk in. Just makes sense.



    You have a point, but I would prefer that the AD for the daily remained except you only got it if you win a game- that would dissuade people from afking.
  • danteichigo3danteichigo3 Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 13
    edited July 2013
    Thnx to this i got my gemmed shirt , so fu i want ad
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    BS! I want the AD reward... LOL
  • kabothoriginalkabothoriginal Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 465 Bounty Hunter
    edited July 2013
    You got a frog in your pocket?

    All you do is QQ, seriously are you a kid out for summer or what. ALL you do is gripe about pvp in some shape or form, usually about perma stealth rogues and you have a very high opinion of yourself and love to pat yourself on the back for stupid ideas.

    SMH
  • tarmalentarmalen Member Posts: 1,020 Bounty Hunter
    edited July 2013
    Actually it would solve a lot.

    In your own mind maybe.

    People would still afk pvp for a reward. Agreed?

    Then tell me how changing one reward to some other reward would remove said botters.
  • cbrowne0329cbrowne0329 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 293 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    before any of that can be done... improve PVP overall. I for one would have no desire to PVP in it's current format if there was no reward/or rewards as you mentioned.

    List of improvements needed to make me want to PVP all the time without the rewards:

    Gear Score system - you play with people within your range
    Ranking System - see http://nw-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?385011-End-Game-dynamics-I-d-like-to-see
    More maps - 2 maps and no reward?! Not going to happen.
  • irk2013irk2013 Member Posts: 241 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    If you like your AD daily reward you don't like PvP. Period. The reward just brings the afk, botter and bads out to play.

    Sure if you say so it MUST be true.......... Really stop kidding yourself.. I do like pvp I just like getting something for my time invested that is all.

    pvp period brings out bads that is just the nature of the beast.
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