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Are there going to be any clerics in this game after today?
wholyhandgrenade
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PvP is very bad, worst I've seen it cleric wise. My astral shield no longer stays up, and other classes now appear to be super buffed. I have two clerics, and my first is an absolute fail now. Will see how the second fairs under its build, but the clerics I've seen so far in PvP are being slaughtered and not doing well in points or anything at level 60. I'm most likely leaving this game after today. My first impression is that the changes are beyond horrible.
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and also the featured satirical comedic adventure "A Call for Heroes".
But then again, its not my first mmo and definitely not first balance patch in my gaming career so I did what I always do-adapted.
Healing went down with about 25%, Damage overall went down by about 10% except for one skill. I'm a lot squishier too. Killing me, takes about half as much time as it did before.
I'm sure things will change, otherwise DC will become an extinct class very quickly.
but seriously, dc has gone from op to gimped to OP to gimped a few times already. It gets silly when the dc scores the best DPS AND holds agro AND has the best control AND the best survivability...and heals a bit to
But clerics aren't supposed to be the end all PVP class. that is supposed to be TRs. and I really doubt the OP is actually leaving after the first day of a patch. they will probably "Balance" the cleric 5-10 times up and down before they are done.
it would be nice if the nerfs to clerics would be say nerfs to maybe DPS or nerfs to their ability to generate hate, or maybe control nerfs, ot nerft to healing. but the devs hate things that compete with potions/healing stones. so you know how it is.
Im sure there will continue to be DCs after today, there probably wont be three per team. or scoring top in every category. but for the people who like to play a squishy a support class they still function as that.
The hammer daily spell just about one hits anyone in PvP, other than that my first cleric has nothing going for it. Try to build up points to cast the daily and then get a cheap kill, that's about how my first cleric is and building up power isn't a quick task.
DC was never OP, it had only one spell AS that worked well.
I've given up on my first cleric after this patch. Still have my second to see how it fairs, and yes I will be leaving this game after this patch if the second cleric becomes as worthless as the first.
and also the featured satirical comedic adventure "A Call for Heroes".
Not going to disagree with the AS being broken. But... what did they boost in exchange for "fixing" AS? As far as I know, DCs got no buffs to any power/skill/ability at all in this update. Healing threat/add aggro DOES seem to be better from what I'm hearing, but other than that - nothing.
And if I'm wrong, please let me know. I'd be more than happy if DCs actually got SOMETHING beneficial out of this.
And yeah, I still plan to play, and to try to adapt. If dungeons become more expensive than they're worth, I'll just quit running them and stick to soloing/foundry quests... (not a big PvP fan)
I know they didnt buff clerics directly, but they gave alot of their tanking to guardians, which is what guardians needed. Sure they could have increased healing to compensate astral, but if that was the case things would be a bit too far into clerics favor still. numerous people had no problems using guardians in their groups now.
the problem with tuning down a class, is it gets tuned down and not up. And players get too comfortable with its previous state.
I main a wizard, and the wizard class didnt get buffs, now "we" get more agro, because the cleric doesnt, but its not broken. our damage has been nerfed on various points (which doesnt make sense because all our damage came from shield bumping). and alot of spells have converted to DoTs so no longer proc weapon enchants anymore on each tick.
The point is, in the big picture, its not about buffs or nerfs of each class. its about balance of all that makes a good game. If the cleric was good at healing, good at tanking, good at agro keeping. You dont take away 2 of them and make healing amazing. So far i can see that cryptic did some testing with most of these changes and this is what they felt was most beneficial. (ofc theres still some stupid stuff but i would say overall (all classes) have been changed for the better.
But i do wish they buffed GWF aoe damage, so us wizards dont ALWAYS have to bump/cc, in nearly every encounter, killing adds would be a nice viable option to me. And I as a CW dont want "my" damage buffed, id rather have GWF buffed to allow me to diversify my build.
Love to see a shout/debuff/cc paragon tree for GWF also in the future but thats thinking too far ahead.
and also the featured satirical comedic adventure "A Call for Heroes".
my first cleric cant heal, why should a healing support character have only one healing spell they can rely upon (and then they nerf even that so it doesn't last long or heal much when used)? You think AS is broken, you should see the entire cleric class that can't heal and can't tank, what is it supposed to be a damage class, cause that is not why I made a cleric. Hammer of the Gods one hits others and my heals are horrible. Lets not also forget that they nerfed in half the supporting abiiity that builds divine power (they said it gave twice what they intended so they just fixed it).
Heal with what?????? lol, I can't even heal my own health
my second cleric relies upon its knockbacks, without it there is no defense against rogues and being mobbed... knockbacks aren't a problem and shouldn't be touched, permastun should however be heavily tapered down or removed entirely from PvP, it isn't any fun at all not being able to do anything and everyone hits clerics with it
I didn't say i didn't use stuns but most of the times the CW engages the clerics from max range, stuns him, and then the GWF joins the fight and just start to permastun and do insane dps. Not being able to heal oneself doesn't help in this situation, there are way too much stuns and KBs and not enough heals and immunities in pvp now. It's just fun when you're anything but a cleric.
Unfortunately, the changes has been made with PVE testing, obviously, pvp isn't a priority, which is a shame considering a huge new pvp mode is about to be released next week. TBH i don't give a **** if they don't sell enough healing stones and rez scrolls from the store to pve noobs, now pvp is just a pain when you play a cleric and the class is really weak.
Aggro was reduced? Awesome! Now players are going to ignore me, obviously... :rolleyes:
When I ran PvP we all assigned clerics with the KoS label because Astral Shield made taking a position more difficult.
I'm sure Clerics will always be focused because of their ability to make your attacks pointless with heals. Clerics are meant to be the anchor for a party.
My PvP score has plummeted. I can't get the kills and I no longer receive healing assist points. Soooooo %%#%#$^#$$#% broken.
Well TBH clerics have never been able to rank first, unless their team isn't good and the other team sucks even more. I always had the most assists and still couldn't get 1st. That's unfair but it's the way the game is designed. Support class = abnegation, especially in pvp. You play for the daily, for some glory, and for fun, but don't hope to get one of the unique blue item. And no these items don't suck. They have unique stats and some can be sold for a healthy amount of astral diamonds.
They term PvP as end game. If it is end game then it should matter a whole heck of a lot. With that in mind they need to $%$#^#$^ fix the cleric. Why did they nerf the cleric when the cleric wasn't at all strong to start with, they had one spell AS that worked reasonably well, now it doesn't even fill a quarter of a bar of health at level 60. I have a few choice words I'd like to express with this game over the cleric and they all go something like this $$#^@%#.
And you are basing this pearl of wisdom on what exactly?
Are clerics still a must in PvE endgame? Yes
Are clerics still able to keep people alive in PvP? Yes
Now gtfo.
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This has to be a joke.. Why do people think mmo's are only supposed to have 2-3 viable classes and everyone else is just fodder. If it was supposed to be that way this game would just have 3 classes.
no they can't their heals got seriously nerfed, what used to fill a health bar barely budges it now... divinity regeneration is also nerfed pretty heavily... damage, forget it... I keep playing PvP and clerics are always placing near last... two clerics on a team and you know which team has already lost...
lol, do you play PvP