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cesmode8
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Hi,
So I am slowly coming back to the game after a small hiatus after the AD crisis. I read that cryptic was removing, or trying to, all of the AD created in the game during the AD crisis.
So, are people sitting on millions of AD from this exploit?
I am slowly gearing up, via drops in dungeons and purchasing gear off the AH with AD. Slowly earning my way, one way or another. Which is how it should be...I find that given my play time, at any given time I have between 20-70k AD. Is this normal for a non exploiting player? Or are there people with millions upon millions that can corner the market at any time, and make life for me difficult?
So I am slowly coming back to the game after a small hiatus after the AD crisis. I read that cryptic was removing, or trying to, all of the AD created in the game during the AD crisis.
So, are people sitting on millions of AD from this exploit?
I am slowly gearing up, via drops in dungeons and purchasing gear off the AH with AD. Slowly earning my way, one way or another. Which is how it should be...I find that given my play time, at any given time I have between 20-70k AD. Is this normal for a non exploiting player? Or are there people with millions upon millions that can corner the market at any time, and make life for me difficult?
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That is a relief to hear, but speculation...no?
Thaddeus Talbot - GF - Dragon
Aysta Tarley - TR - Dragon
There do not seem to be bajillions of exploit diamonds in play. There are a lot of very, very wealthy players who exploited dungeons (and still do) to sell the purple gear. There are a lot of people who bought zen and flipped it to AD -- $50 -> 5k zen -> 1.5 mil diamonds roughly (varies). So, to answer you...
1) there are very rich players with tens, if not hundreds, of millions of diamonds out there. Even if earned by cheating dungeons, they are considered legit, and obviously bought diamonds count too.
2) the bulk of the exploited diamonds seem to be gone along with the players.
3) your numbers seem normal for someone who does it the hard way. Not knowing your totals (earned, spent?) but it sounds about right for someone who is not selling purples in the ah nor buying their way.
4) Corner the market? What are you afraid of, really? The market is flooded with goods, keeping the prices for all but the topmost tier items very reasonable. That is good for you, as a low income player. Diamonds to zen is low, that is good for you as well, for example say you wanted to buy a bag or a respec token, the low cost of zen now (250-300 each) is easier for you than 500 each, its practically 1/2 price. The only thing that could go poorly for you would be if the wealthy players started buying up everything with floods of diamonds, raising the prices of goods. That seems to be a likely scenario in the not too distant future as the game developers fight the loot exploiters (supply of purples could dry up). THESE ISSUES ARE CAUSED BY DEVELOPERS. So my advice is to buy the best you can sooner rather than later. If the developers suddenly make new purple gear drops BOP, for example, the old BOE stuff will go up in value instantly. The new rule to only roll need on your own items will have *some* effect as well, possibly.
Just wanted to put this concern to rest in my mind. I thought that 20-70k on any given day is reasonable for someone earning the diamonds the hard way. I just wanted to be sure. And I wanted to be sure Id be able to grab a few things off the AH without some HAMSTER out bidding all and reposting for rediculous amounts.
There are many ways to make AD in this game without exploiting.
The ward and enchant markets are still recovering from teh most recent exploit I would imagine.
I was more curious about the AD that was "created" during the AD crisis a few weeks ago. If all of the AD that was made during that time has disappeared or not. If people make a few mil through various legit means, thats one thing. But I remember watching a stream of some guy using the exploit, and his AD was around 90mil. I am/was nervous of THOSE people.
I would "assume" that the rollback remove a lot of "recent" AD creation. The Devs/GMs were also further investigating and I'm sure banning/removing AD from exploits after checking the logs and such (when AH was down)
Again, this is all speculation.
The market. The market is player driven. People buying Zen for Cash want AD. They want AD the highest price possible (upto 500 max. This is hard coded) while people buying Zen with AD want the lowest price possible (50AD min. Also hard coded)
The Exchange listing is totally driven by players. Even if a "wealthy" player trying to manipulate the market, that is a lot of AD and Zen to mess with. I personally set a price that I am willing to buy Zen at certain price and let it sit (no time limit) but there are players who want AD NOW or Zen now and willing to pay a little more for it.
I guess there are enough sinks are working because the price is "stabilizing" from all the millions of free AD with founder packs.
Zen sink, once used, the only way to get more into the market is via cash. (this is good for PW)
AD sinks (buying stuff from Bazaar, enchants, talent respec) seems to be working and to get more is via TIME (regardless on how many rough you earn, it is capped at 24k a day per character. The ONLY exception now is the jewel idol from lockboxes)
Please review my campaign and I'll return the favor.
AH is not a good way to "gauge" the wealth of players. People are trying to sell at a price they "use to get" the question would be are they actually SELLING said item?
I would say give it another month to see where everything will be.
Please review my campaign and I'll return the favor.
I doubt many of those who exploited were able to escape intact. 100 Million AD is an excessive amount and noway you can earn that legitly. Cryptic can just do a search of everyone who had more than 10 Million AD on their accounts and there couldn't have been more than a few hundred players.
Wow, Beholder must have really been hard hit; I never see less than hundreds in PE, no matter what time of day, which means thousands online. Maybe you should reroll on Mindflayer.
I was hoping they would actually merge all the servers now into one world.
Mindflayer here as well. Always busy in Pe and lots in other zones
Beholder is fine. PE is mostly crowded as heck and there are plenty of PE instances that are to full to even join. No idea where the other guy got his numbers from. But its not the amount of people in PE.
The value of AD is climbing because their is less of it being injected into the economy.
The founders packs injected an insane amount of AD into the game. People sold stuff for stupid high amounts. The more/higher they sold, the faster the AH cut drained that AD back out of the economy. Now their is less AD going around. People are realizing that AD is way more valuable than they thought.
Oh but it does. It took a while to reach them, but it's finally hitting them and hard. At least on Dragon. If it's not happening on the other servers yet, it's just a matter of time!
Just over the past 2-3 days, Rank 7 have plummeted like crazy:
Azure = Down to 120k from 200k+
Dark = Down to under 180k from 300k+
Radiant = Down to 220k from 300k+
Silvery = Who cares about Rank 7s? Rank 8s have gone from 500k down to 250k!
Don't tell me about enchants being unaffected... T_T
Actually most of the people who made millions of AD early on didn't get their AD from Founders. Even to Founders, AD is still fairly valuable, it is only to people who had access to a near infinite supply that it wasn't........
Source? Or just spouting off BS? I predict the second. Since I KNOW people with 20+ million.
I've made few millions AD legit, i don't need to buy anything and i'm stacking AD, when the exchange is favourable i'm buying zen that i don't use anymore, since i don't feel there's money to do with box and key now... Pretty sure i'm not the only one in this situation. So i do believe the major reason price are dropping it's because there's not enough demand vs offer.
If you're doing stupid things in a game, like exploiting the economy, you deserve a ban regardless of what the title of the game is.
I re-downloaded rift a week or two ago because I got a new rig. Runs flawlessly. Still, the combat in that game is the worst out of any choice of MMO we have: WoW, Tera, GW2, Rift, NW, LOTRO, etc. Its terrible. Its too slow for me.
While Rift has great systems, its held down by its combat.
Anyways, not the thread for this discussion ;p
I played RIFT when it was still P2P .. the quests are boring as heck. Altho the Rift events are interesting.