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so.. these GWF changes didn't change anything.
ioannides5
Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 0 Arc User
First off, the changes are pathetic. Few minor encounters get reduced cooldown (most encounters that no one uses anyways), and a very, very slight buff to sure-strike and wicked-strike, that hardly does anything. You devs do not release the critical state this class is in; it's next to useless bringing a GWF along in a dungeon. Here's why:
The most common scenarios in boss fights are 1 of the following 2 situations: 1) single target dps to bring down the boss as fast as possible, or 2) launching adds off edges (spell plague, CN). The GWF does neither of these any good at all (single target dps is complete garbage, and the only knock back we have is roar... which knocks back what? maybe a foot? pathetic). Because of this, GWFs are pointless to bring along in raids... not to mention, what they're apparently suppose to be good at (AoE damage), CWs do better and more efficiently anyways.
The second big setback for GWFs, is the fact that we don't have a dodge mechanic. Who was the Einstein who gave us sprint? It doesn't even let us "dodge" anything, we get hit by far more reds then any other class. I'm not saying its hard to dodge reds or anything, but it's definitely harder then any other class, and more tedious and annoying. Want a simple fix? Get rid of this garbage sprint, and make our shift ability punishing charge, take off the damage of it, and add a dodge mechanic to it like every other **** class has.
The third big setback for GWFs is just the over-all dedication and effort that's needed to be put in to play 1 well. For example gwf t2 4p bonus:
"Your Encounter powers grant Onslaught. When Onslaught reaches 3 stacks you gain 1,350 Recovery and Power. Onslaught lasts for 4 seconds and is refreshed each time you strike a foe with an Encounter power. "
Now compare that to the TR t2 4p bonus:
"Your powers have a 25% chance to grant, 338 power & recovery for 6 secs. This effect stacks up to 3 times."
Now, it's not just TR's bonus like this, ALL classes 4p set bonuses are easy as hell as this... except the GWF. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see how much harder it is for the GWF to maintain their 4p set bonus.. it's actually to the point where no gwfs are even using it... because it's too hard to maintain, and instead using 2p from two different sets for passive bonus stats. That just screams unbalanced. The next thing, is just methods of dpsing. To dps efficiently.. GWFs have to sprint-cancel their at-wills just to produce somewhat-submaximal damage, because the recovery phase of our at-wills is incredibly long. This method of sprint-cancelling, takes 1000x more effort to actually just dps, where as any other class literally just has to sit there and press 1 button (Watch the effort needed to dps between a GWF and TR... it's actually quite frustrating for the GWF).
The GWF doesn't need minor tweaks like this crappy upcoming patch (speaking towards GWF changes); the class really needs to be completely re-done, with all of the above issues addressed. A straight damage buff across the board (just reduce the **** 60% damage nerf we received in beta weekend 4... that literally killed the class), give us useful mechanics that will actually benefit the dungeon party, give us a proper dodge mechanic, and please for the love of god fix our **** t2 set bonus to be more efficient.
Unless all these are addressed, the GWF is going to continue to fall off scale and become obsolete. With the upcoming astral shield changes, GF are going to find a place in dungeons... but all that is going to do is make the new meta 1gf/1dc/1tr/2cw or 1gf/1dc/1cw/2tr. GWFs are still not going to fit into dungeon groups... because mechanically speaking, they're useless and don't provide any usefulness.
The most common scenarios in boss fights are 1 of the following 2 situations: 1) single target dps to bring down the boss as fast as possible, or 2) launching adds off edges (spell plague, CN). The GWF does neither of these any good at all (single target dps is complete garbage, and the only knock back we have is roar... which knocks back what? maybe a foot? pathetic). Because of this, GWFs are pointless to bring along in raids... not to mention, what they're apparently suppose to be good at (AoE damage), CWs do better and more efficiently anyways.
The second big setback for GWFs, is the fact that we don't have a dodge mechanic. Who was the Einstein who gave us sprint? It doesn't even let us "dodge" anything, we get hit by far more reds then any other class. I'm not saying its hard to dodge reds or anything, but it's definitely harder then any other class, and more tedious and annoying. Want a simple fix? Get rid of this garbage sprint, and make our shift ability punishing charge, take off the damage of it, and add a dodge mechanic to it like every other **** class has.
The third big setback for GWFs is just the over-all dedication and effort that's needed to be put in to play 1 well. For example gwf t2 4p bonus:
"Your Encounter powers grant Onslaught. When Onslaught reaches 3 stacks you gain 1,350 Recovery and Power. Onslaught lasts for 4 seconds and is refreshed each time you strike a foe with an Encounter power. "
Now compare that to the TR t2 4p bonus:
"Your powers have a 25% chance to grant, 338 power & recovery for 6 secs. This effect stacks up to 3 times."
Now, it's not just TR's bonus like this, ALL classes 4p set bonuses are easy as hell as this... except the GWF. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see how much harder it is for the GWF to maintain their 4p set bonus.. it's actually to the point where no gwfs are even using it... because it's too hard to maintain, and instead using 2p from two different sets for passive bonus stats. That just screams unbalanced. The next thing, is just methods of dpsing. To dps efficiently.. GWFs have to sprint-cancel their at-wills just to produce somewhat-submaximal damage, because the recovery phase of our at-wills is incredibly long. This method of sprint-cancelling, takes 1000x more effort to actually just dps, where as any other class literally just has to sit there and press 1 button (Watch the effort needed to dps between a GWF and TR... it's actually quite frustrating for the GWF).
The GWF doesn't need minor tweaks like this crappy upcoming patch (speaking towards GWF changes); the class really needs to be completely re-done, with all of the above issues addressed. A straight damage buff across the board (just reduce the **** 60% damage nerf we received in beta weekend 4... that literally killed the class), give us useful mechanics that will actually benefit the dungeon party, give us a proper dodge mechanic, and please for the love of god fix our **** t2 set bonus to be more efficient.
Unless all these are addressed, the GWF is going to continue to fall off scale and become obsolete. With the upcoming astral shield changes, GF are going to find a place in dungeons... but all that is going to do is make the new meta 1gf/1dc/1tr/2cw or 1gf/1dc/1cw/2tr. GWFs are still not going to fit into dungeon groups... because mechanically speaking, they're useless and don't provide any usefulness.
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Funny read.
Oh no, I have to manage my skills more than the other classes to be effective. Class too hard, sucks too much. Buff please.
Never mind that GWF dominate PvP, which is soon to be half the endgame.
This patch wont solve people wanting to take two wizards and two clerics. That's the bottom line. The difference now is that GWF is interchangeable with TR now.
The reason youll still need two clerics? They nerfed the recast on astral shield and didn't boost heals from other means.
I'm talking talking about PvP at all. My post was completely oriented towards dungeons/pve. In dungeons, it's useless bringing a GWF along.
NO, gwfs will still not be invited to dungeon parties. It's simple design flaws, gwfs don't fit any desired role in parties, and their damage is complete garbage compared to rogues still.
Then you don't understand your role in a group. Ya are probably one of those lulstrikers gwf guys arnt ya?
**** pvp... everything in pvp is already broken anyways.
PvE is the real matter, and as it stands, GWFs are next to useless.
Additonal: The funny thing is... people has gotten this funny impression that the only useful class are those that can punt mobs off the cliffs and bridges. CW and TR are getting some big DPS nerfs and I think generally most of the PvE content are being re-tuned to rebalance things. GWF being an off tank/AOE dps would be our class role (since threat is being fixed and now actually works).
I hate if that happens. I rather work hard by learning my class correctly and optimizing my stats to be the a good player rather than be bracketed with people who thinks they play well because they play unbalanced OP classes (majority of the rogues atm).
Let's neglect an integral portion of the upcoming content and look at a class then! That's fair, right?
So you want to neglect the fact that GWFs are useless in pve (YES, THEY ARE USELESS. CWs do everything they do but better. Who needs an AoE dps when everything just get knocked off edges anyways?), just because they are on-par for pvp? Derp.
What if they released dungeons that don't have ledges to knock off or make mobs immune to being knocked off ledges ?
Then GWFs would actually have a role in dungeons. As it stands now though, GWFs are useless. Don't believe me? Go fight the last boss in spell plague, or fight draco in CN... and come back here and tell me how useful you were.
You good sir, are a ****ing idiot. Straight from the game:
"Role: Damage Dealer
Secondary Defender"
This clearly states the GWF are damage dealers. DERP. Stop pretending you know anything about a GWF and get off the forums.
Let's see.. SP, I maintain add aggro when BH is on CD, allowing the Cleric to live. Same deal with CN. If the need arises, I can train all the mobs until the CW can replenish their daily better than a GF because of my slows.
But you go ahead and use your exaggerations. Maybe, in time, you'll stop playing after whining enough. The community will get that much better at that time.
if you just run 2x cw, there is always 100% a BH going. Not to mention, even a single CW can have BH up 90% of the fight with their insane action point regeneration. All you did here was tell us you play with baddies.
Did you go temporarily blind when you cut and paste that and miss the SECONDARY DEFENDER part? Not to mention the person you quoted was specifically talking about tanking adds?
...you know what 'secondary' means, right?
--Part 1: Spells and Coin (NW-DHM3XQVQK)
--Part 2: A Blind Eye (NW-DI3QTHZGJ)
--Part 3: Dodo's Dinner (NW-DHPA8O253)
-One Shots
--The Wizard of Eldeur (NW-DRKQNE4S7)
My thoughts exact.
You are even more of an idiot apparently. Unless you are a striker then you are a hybrid class. All hybrids can do damage along with an intended role which for you is tanking. Stop neglecting your role and then maybe you will be useful to a group. Your dps alone will never be enough of a reason to bring you with CWs around.