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Dark Elves

elsje1elsje1 Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 5 Arc User
edited June 2013 in General Discussion (PC)
Wondering if there will be dark elves in the game at any point? would be really great if there is going to be :D
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  • amill72amill72 Member Posts: 32 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    Do you mean Drow by chance?
    The race is coming to all players. Not sure of the go live date for them.
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  • elsje1elsje1 Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 5 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    Ooo yes yes the drow ;) Thats great woowoo! :) ty ;)
  • silence1k1llsilence1k1ll Member Posts: 148 Bounty Hunter
    edited June 2013
    There will be Drow 60 days after release.
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  • lichlamentlichlament Member Posts: 5 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    this is a reach, but he could be referring to the drow Corellon took after the Time of Troubles...

    but i doubt it and he is ignorant to D&D lore like most players...

    So I shall educate this fella...


    Son...




    They are called Drow ( pronounced dr-ow.... like when you hit your knee and say OW )

    every dark elf, in every game takes their root from Drow...
  • elsje1elsje1 Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 5 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    She.. and of course i know what drow are ( not ignorant and still looking for good rp guild but hey ill steer clear of arrogant presumers ;) ) ! :D
  • lichlamentlichlament Member Posts: 5 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    elsje1 wrote: »
    She.. and of course i know what drow are ( not ignorant and still looking for good rp guild but hey ill steer clear of arrogant presumers ;) ) ! :D

    Read zone chat in PE lately ?

    Can you fault me for presuming ?




    An average question in zone chat...
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  • kimmurieloblodrakimmurieloblodra Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    I don't read thaaaat much forgotten realms stuff, but I remember a certain series saying that dark elves and drow were different. Something about a Balor corrupting a bloodline of a certain family or faction of dark elves, making them into the 'drow' we now know.

    Again I may be way off, I don't really read that stuff that much. So don't fly off the handle if I'm wrong.

    edit: And now that I think about it... It had somethign to do with the Faerzress and the way it lured certain dark elves to the underdark but didn't lure others?

    I think it may have been Lady Penitent series
  • amill72amill72 Member Posts: 32 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    Make a Drow and RP as dark elf? Could be fun. I'm sure there is a group or two on Mindslayer that would be up for it.
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  • chai23chai23 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    kimmurieloblodra wrote: »
    I don't read thaaaat much forgotten realms stuff, but I remember a certain series saying that dark elves and drow were different. Something about a Balor corrupting a bloodline of a certain family or faction of dark elves, making them into the 'drow' we now know.

    Again I may be way off, I don't really read that stuff that much. So don't fly off the handle if I'm wrong.

    Those were the fey'ri - and other Daemonfey.

    Drow in 3.5 and earlier were derived from regular elves who were banished from the elven cities on the surface for experimenting with magic they were asked not to utilize, as well as using it for their own nefarious purposes. They fled underground and remained there for thousands of years and for the longest time no one really had a clue of what happened to them, how many there were left, or if they even survived.
  • lltsnwnlltsnwn Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 787 Bounty Hunter
    edited June 2013
    elsje1 wrote: »
    Wondering if there will be dark elves in the game at any point? would be really great if there is going to be :D

    Dark Elves AKA Drow are already in the game. If you purchase the Hero of the North Founder Pack you can make one.

    Founder Pack
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  • elsje1elsje1 Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 5 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    Well i for one cant wait! :D
  • kimmurieloblodrakimmurieloblodra Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    chai23 wrote: »
    Those were the fey'ri - and other Daemonfey.

    Drow in 3.5 and earlier were derived from regular elves who were banished from the elven cities on the surface for experimenting with magic they were asked not to utilize, as well as using it for their own nefarious purposes. They fled underground and remained there for thousands of years and for the longest time no one really had a clue of what happened to them, how many there were left, or if they even survived.

    But at the end of the Lady Penitent series when they do that High Magic ritual to rid the Underdark of Faerzress, the drow without the demon-taint turned into dark elves (the book even mentions their skin turning more of a shade of brown) and the ones with taint remained Drow.

    So to me, that means there is a difference between the two.

    Will I need to go out and get some citations? :P

    EDIT: I'm only saying this because you lore 'experts' are all just bunching them up as being identical, and I clearly remember a Forgotten Realms licensed series stating otherwise
  • lichlamentlichlament Member Posts: 5 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    Actually yes you will.

    The Drow that returned unto Corellon were some of Kiaransalee's worship, after her "death"... and other "lost drow"

    Never heard or seen anything about a "taint" or Demon Infused changing.

    Edit: Regarding The Faerzress -- this is something actually sought after by Drow..
  • evilkinglarryevilkinglarry Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 144 Bounty Hunter
    edited June 2013
    Dark Elves http://forgottenrealms.wikia.com/wiki/Dark_elf
    lichlament wrote: »
    every dark elf, in every game takes their root from Drow...

    Just want to argue this point a bit. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D%C3%B6kk%C3%A1lfar So more accurately Dark Elves from other games and Forgotten Realms trace their roots back to old myths. Like most fantasy games do :)
  • elsje1elsje1 Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 5 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    kimmurieloblodra wrote: »
    But at the end of the Lady Penitent series when they do that High Magic ritual to rid the Underdark of Faerzress, the drow without the demon-taint turned into dark elves (the book even mentions their skin turning more of a shade of brown) and the ones with taint remained Drow.

    So to me, that means there is a difference between the two.

    Will I need to go out and get some citations? :P

    EDIT: I'm only saying this because you lore 'experts' are all just bunching them up as being identical, and I clearly remember a Forgotten Realms licensed series stating otherwise

    Well good thing about lore is can bring sooo much more to the game in RP and would make for a really interesting RP convo too ;)
  • chai23chai23 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    kimmurieloblodra wrote: »
    But at the end of the Lady Penitent series when they do that High Magic ritual to rid the Underdark of Faerzress, the drow without the demon-taint turned into dark elves (the book even mentions their skin turning more of a shade of brown) and the ones with taint remained Drow.

    So to me, that means there is a difference between the two.

    Will I need to go out and get some citations? :P

    Youre talking about a crossover novel series written in the 3.5 -> 4.0e crossover.

    My text was copied right out of an old AD&D compendium, and I only added the "in 3.5 and before" portion, because I knew that you or someone else would reference that far mor erecent series.

    And no, they didnt originate as tained from demons. Well after they moved underground, priestesses began experimenting w/ mating with daemons such as dreagoloth to try to strengthen their race. This was before the skin color change, but well after they had been banished from surface cities.
  • lichlamentlichlament Member Posts: 5 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    evilkinglarry wrote: »

    Just want to argue this point a bit. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D%C3%B6kk%C3%A1lfar So more accurately Dark Elves from other games and Forgotten Realms trace their roots back to old myths. Like most fantasy games do :)

    Speaking strictly fantasy gaming bud. Dark Elves / Drow first showed up in D&D, Tolkien did not have them...
  • evilkinglarryevilkinglarry Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 144 Bounty Hunter
    edited June 2013
    lichlament wrote: »
    Speaking strictly fantasy gaming bud. Dark Elves / Drow first showed up in D&D, Tolkien did not have them...

    I didn't mention anything about Tolkien. I was saying that Dark Elves and Drow themselves were taken from Norse Mythology. Therefore when other games use Dark Elves they aren't necessarily drawing their inspiration from Drow.
  • bbsoonerbbsooner Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 84
    edited June 2013
    lichlament wrote: »
    Eol was "Dark" by his nature, not by his appearance.

    Semantics, imo. A rose by another name ... and all.

    Not fitting physical appearance doesn't change what he was meant to represent. Modern (and early) adaptations of many classic fantasy creatures aren't independant of each other, they are all categorized as the name they're given.

    I agree he was no drow, but he most certainly should/is categorized as a 'dark elf'. The mythos he existed in just had lesser requirements for the classification.
  • chai23chai23 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    The entire origin thing goes much further back than this crossover series between 3.5e and 4e that keeps being referenced. In AD&D - which was still Forgotten Realms, the skin color thing is attributed to radiation. They never make any distinction between drow and dark elves until fairly recently -> 2006-2008. The origins I am referring to are ~1988.

    The same radiation is also the enchantment on the lowest tier of their weapons, and alot of other low level gadgets, which is why they all fall apart and disenchant when they are exposed to sunlight for too long.
  • aandrethegiantaandrethegiant Member Posts: 3,369 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    Shame I'm going to have to nuke most of the discussion because we are having problems communicating with each other.

    I'm going to give ya'll one last chance to get it right. Come on gentlemen, you can do it!

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  • kimmurieloblodrakimmurieloblodra Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    chai23 wrote: »
    The entire origin thing goes much further back than this crossover series between 3.5e and 4e that keeps being referenced. In AD&D - which was still Forgotten Realms, the skin color thing is attributed to radiation. They never make any distinction between drow and dark elves until fairly recently -> 2006-2008. The origins I am referring to are ~1988.

    So since it is only mentioned recently, it has no bearing on the setting, and should be ignored, because it wasn't mentioned in 1988? .... I'm glad I don't play PnP rpgs.

    So I don't get it, where do you draw the line? I'm totally ignorant of these different 3e/4e things, I didn't even know they had editions. But what I mean is, why is it safe to say this lore applies to the setting, but that lore doesn't?

    Is there some magic year where a line was drawn? Confused :/
  • kimmurieloblodrakimmurieloblodra Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    aandrethegiant wrote: »
    Shame I'm going to have to nuke most of the discussion because we are having problems communicating with each other.

    I'm going to give ya'll one last chance to get it right. Come on gentlemen, you can do it!

    i'm seriously trying, Aandre :( .... I'm nicer than I was in the Guild/Gaunt thread!
  • aandrethegiantaandrethegiant Member Posts: 3,369 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    Not nice enough.

    Let's start by taking a deep breath. We're here to have fun and to share information with each other. Disagreements are bound to happen now and then. It's how we conduct ourselves during these situations makes all the difference.

    Carry on...!

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  • bbsoonerbbsooner Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 84
    edited June 2013
    kimmurieloblodra wrote: »
    So since it is only mentioned recently, it has no bearing on the setting, and should be ignored, because it wasn't mentioned in 1988? .... I'm glad I don't play PnP rpgs.

    So I don't get it, where do you draw the line? I'm totally ignorant of these different 3e/4e things, I didn't even know they had editions. But what I mean is, why is it safe to say this lore applies to the setting, but that lore doesn't?

    Is there some magic year where a line was drawn? Confused :/

    Its not really as simple as that. A lot of lore is built upon, some is restated and some assumed. Usually in fsntasy the most recent canon takes precident over previous iterations (tolkien and his revisions being an example of this).

    Its also a matter of drow creation in the forgotten realms universe doesnt necessarily correlate to drow creation in the eberron, greyhawk, or home brew universes.
  • kimmurieloblodrakimmurieloblodra Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    bbsooner wrote: »
    Its not really as simple as that. A lot of lore is built upon, some is restated and some assumed. Usually in fsntasy the most recent canon takes precident over previous iterations...

    So in this instance, wouldn't the series I'm quoting be the more relevant piece of lore?
    chai23 wrote: »
    The entire origin thing goes much further back than this crossover series between 3.5e and 4e that keeps being referenced. In AD&D - which was still Forgotten Realms, the skin color thing is attributed to radiation. They never make any distinction between drow and dark elves until fairly recently -> 2006-2008. The origins I am referring to are ~1988.

    The same radiation is also the enchantment on the lowest tier of their weapons, and alot of other low level gadgets, which is why they all fall apart and disenchant when they are exposed to sunlight for too long.

    Since, ya know, 2008 > 1988
  • bbsoonerbbsooner Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 84
    edited June 2013
    kimmurieloblodra wrote: »
    So in this instance, wouldn't the series I'm quoting be the more relevant piece of lore?



    Since, ya know, 2008 > 1988

    Yep, imo at least.
  • kimmurieloblodrakimmurieloblodra Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    bbsooner wrote: »
    Yep, imo at least.

    This is the first, and last, lore discussion I have ever gotten into :P

    I don't play table-top I just read the books :)
  • chai23chai23 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    kimmurieloblodra wrote: »
    Since, ya know, 2008 > 1988

    Yeap exactly - I let the original authors tell it like it is, rather than the people who took over later on create entire new storylines, which are being edited by an author, who was brought up by the originators who edited his books on his way up.

    The series youre referencing is gen3. The manuals Im referencing are gen1. We are discussing origins...
  • evilkinglarryevilkinglarry Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 144 Bounty Hunter
    edited June 2013
    kimmurieloblodra wrote: »
    This is the first, and last, lore discussion I have ever gotten into :P

    I don't play table-top I just read the books :)

    Only thing worse than a lore argument is the alignment debates... Those things are awful.
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