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kimmurieloblodrakimmurieloblodra Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 0 Arc User
edited June 2013 in General Discussion (PC)
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Do you still get a gold medal?

Instead of crying about the winning team getting the better loot, why don't you start looking at why you aren't winning in the first place, and figure out a way to fix that.

If it's because TR's keep one-shotting you, roll a GF and survive the burst, or better yet, roll a TR.

If it's because you are always getting CC'ed by CWs, why not communicate with your team and focus them down first? Or better yet, roll a CW and stun-lock your enemies.

Those are just examples, but what I'm getting at, is that if you don't like the fact they are lumping in PvP with PvE and rewarding the better team, don't run GG, and keep running CN.

Cryptic, props, GG looks awesome, I'm stoked.

-kimm
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  • pzzdachupzzdachu Member Posts: 398 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    Comparing PvP to the Olympics... Wow!
    Allow me to introduce myself, I am P'zzd Achu.
  • kilo418kilo418 Member Posts: 823 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    But winners in the special olympics also get gold medals.... even if they can't compete with fully functional olympians. Maybe they should implement a skill score for tiered queues.
  • spyke2009spyke2009 Member Posts: 674 Bounty Hunter
    edited June 2013
    1/10

    Nice use of ellipsis to get us to read more of it. Still lacks any substance
  • kimmurieloblodrakimmurieloblodra Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    spyke2009 wrote: »
    1/10

    Nice use of ellipsis to get us to read more of it. Still lacks any substance

    and the million threads that are sure to be started in the next few days, along with the few that already have been, with carebears crying because they suck at PvP, those are just full of substance now, aren't they?
  • spyke2009spyke2009 Member Posts: 674 Bounty Hunter
    edited June 2013
    and the million threads that are sure to be started in the next few days, along with the few that already have been, with carebears crying because they suck at PvP, those are just full of substance now, aren't they?

    This is like starting a flame-bait thread, to complain about flamebaiting

    This is also like starting a whinge thread, to complain about whinge threads.

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  • delekii1delekii1 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2013
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    Do you still get a gold medal?

    Instead of crying about the winning team getting the better loot, why don't you start looking at why you aren't winning in the first place, and figure out a way to fix that.

    If it's because TR's keep one-shotting you, roll a GF and survive the burst, or better yet, roll a TR.

    If it's because you are always getting CC'ed by CWs, why not communicate with your team and focus them down first? Or better yet, roll a CW and stun-lock your enemies.

    Those are just examples, but what I'm getting at, is that if you don't like the fact they are lumping in PvP with PvE and rewarding the better team, don't run GG, and keep running CN.

    Cryptic, props, GG looks awesome, I'm stoked.

    -kimm
    What a ridiculous analogy. For your analogy to even BEGIN to scratch the surface of relativity to pvp in Neverwinter, you would have to be talking about atheletes with insanely different quality equipment. For example, one javelin thrower has a rocket-fuelled red dot laser guided homing javelin, and one has a stick he picked up outside the arena on his way in.

    The combination of PvP and PvE will be fine, as long as there are pvp and pve ONLY options that offer similarly enticing rewards. There is no reason that the two can't be combined, provided there is balance in both systems, which neverwinter is not even CLOSE to achieving.
  • lilmonkey333lilmonkey333 Banned Users Posts: 70
    edited June 2013
    delekii1 wrote: »
    What a ridiculous analogy. For your analogy to even BEGIN to scratch the surface of relativity to pvp in Neverwinter, you would have to be talking about atheletes with insanely different quality equipment. For example, one javelin thrower has a rocket-fuelled red dot laser guided homing javelin, and one has a stick he picked up outside the arena on his way in.

    Huh, I must've missed the memo detailing how some players can't attain the same equipment as others?
  • kimmurieloblodrakimmurieloblodra Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    delekii1 wrote: »
    What a ridiculous analogy. For your analogy to even BEGIN to scratch the surface of relativity to pvp in Neverwinter, you would have to be talking about atheletes with insanely different quality equipment. For example, one javelin thrower has a rocket-fuelled red dot laser guided homing javelin, and one has a stick he picked up outside the arena on his way in.

    Nothing is stopping you from having the same gear as the other players.
  • xaazxxaazx Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 122 Bounty Hunter
    edited June 2013
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    nonsense

    You are a moron in every single post.
  • delekii1delekii1 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    Huh, I must've missed the memo detailing how some players can't attain the same equipment as others?
    Class balance, not equipment balance. Like I said, the analogy is flawed from the get go. Doesn't matter what equipment you have, a GWF can never be a TR.
  • lltsnwnlltsnwn Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 787 Bounty Hunter
    edited June 2013
    Huh, I must've missed the memo detailing how some players can't attain the same equipment as others?

    Their parents don't have the same money in their bank account?
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  • lilmonkey333lilmonkey333 Banned Users Posts: 70
    edited June 2013
    delekii1 wrote: »
    Class balance, not equipment balance. Like I said, the analogy is flawed from the get go. Doesn't matter what equipment you have, a GWF can never be a TR.

    It's a team game…
  • lilmonkey333lilmonkey333 Banned Users Posts: 70
    edited June 2013
    lltsnwn wrote: »
    Their parents don't have the same money in their bank account?

    Money has nothing to do with it; but even if it did, the argument still wouldn't hold, as everyone is free to make money.
  • delekii1delekii1 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    It's a team game…
    How does that help the less-useful less-powerful less-desired classes? If you are at the bottom of the totem pole, your team will ALWAYS be at a disadvantage unless the other team also chooses to hamstring themselves to meet you there.
  • kimmurieloblodrakimmurieloblodra Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    It's a team game…

    Dude, they are too stubborn to be logical or listen to reason. People choose not to understand why they lose in PvP becuase they don't adapt, so they immediately shun it and say it "isn't balanced".
  • kattefjaeskattefjaes Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users Posts: 2,270 Bounty Hunter
    edited June 2013
    pzzdachu wrote: »
    Comparing PvP to the Olympics... Wow!

    You haven't come across the "esports" crowd of pathological personalities that have ruined so many other games then, I take it?
  • kimmurieloblodrakimmurieloblodra Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    delekii1 wrote: »
    How does that help the less-useful less-powerful less-desired classes? If you are at the bottom of the totem pole, your team will ALWAYS be at a disadvantage unless the other team also chooses to hamstring themselves to meet you there.

    Roll a better PvP class? GWF is boss PvE, good for you, you'll be desired in the PvE aspects of the raid.
    kattefjaes wrote: »
    You haven't come across the "esports" crowd of pathological personalities that have ruined so many other games then, I take it?


    Being a real life athlete, I absolutely despise the idea of computer nerds thinking they are playing sports. Just because they spend 12+ hours a day on a computer doesn't make them athletes.
  • lilmonkey333lilmonkey333 Banned Users Posts: 70
    edited June 2013
    delekii1 wrote: »
    How does that help the less-useful less-powerful less-desired classes? If you are at the bottom of the totem pole, your team will ALWAYS be at a disadvantage unless the other team also chooses to hamstring themselves to meet you there.

    If you feel your class is not powerful enough to be useful in a team setting, roll a different class (at least until the balance is restored).
  • delekii1delekii1 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    Dude, they are too stubborn to be logical or listen to reason. People choose not to understand why they lose in PvP becuase they don't adapt, so they immediately shun it and say it "isn't balanced".
    Do you think PvP in NW is balanced? The reality is, if you think it is balanced, the people that say it isn't balanced understand better than you why they lose.
    If you feel your class is not powerful enough to be useful in a team setting, roll a different class (at least until the balance is restored).

    Ah, the good ole' "spend your time making up for the fact that you decided to play a class that the delevopers haven't yet fixed playing a different class that you don't want to play, just so you can compete" argument. Every balance discussion has to have one.
  • lilmonkey333lilmonkey333 Banned Users Posts: 70
    edited June 2013
    kattefjaes wrote: »
    You haven't come across the "esports" crowd of pathological personalities that have ruined so many other games then, I take it?

    You mean like LoL, by far the most popular game ever created? :)
  • kimmurieloblodrakimmurieloblodra Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    delekii1 wrote: »
    Do you think PvP in NW is balanced? The reality is, if you think it is balanced, the people that say it isn't balanced understand better than you why they lose.

    Newsflash : no PvP in any MMO has ever been 'balanced' in the history of PvP and MMOs. But if somethign is so IMBA, what is stopping you from doing that yourself?

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    delekii1 wrote: »
    Ah, the good ole' "spend your time making up for the fact that you decided to play a class that the delevopers haven't yet fixed playing a different class that you don't want to play, just so you can compete" argument. Every balance discussion has to have one.

    another newsflash: GWF isn't broken, so have fun waiting for the "devs to fix"
  • lltsnwnlltsnwn Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 787 Bounty Hunter
    edited June 2013
    Money has nothing to do with it; but even if it did, the argument still wouldn't hold, as everyone is free to make money.

    Making money for many requires working long hours at a job. Working at job restricts time spent playing a game. Asking parents for money still leaves plenty of time for games.
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  • delekii1delekii1 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    Newsflash : no PvP in any MMO has ever been 'balanced' in the history of PvP and MMOs. But if somethign is so IMBA, what is stopping you from doing that yourself?

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    Newsflash: Balance is not a dichotomy. It isn't on or off. There are varying degrees of balance. While no game in history that isn't a complete mirror match is ever 100% balanced, there are games that get close, and there are games that aren't playing the same sport. Neverwinter is far down the latter end.
  • lltsnwnlltsnwn Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 787 Bounty Hunter
    edited June 2013
    Newsflash : no PvP in any MMO has ever been 'balanced' in the history of PvP and MMOs. But if somethign is so IMBA, what is stopping you from doing that yourself?

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    Enough real money to buy into the latest game imbalance?
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  • lilmonkey333lilmonkey333 Banned Users Posts: 70
    edited June 2013
    lltsnwn wrote: »
    Making money for many requires working long hours at a job. Working at job restricts time spent playing a game. Asking parents for money still leaves plenty of time for games.

    I fail to see how this is relevant.
  • delekii1delekii1 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    Newsflash : no PvP in any MMO has ever been 'balanced' in the history of PvP and MMOs. But if somethign is so IMBA, what is stopping you from doing that yourself?

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    Newsflash: Balance is not a dichotomy. It isn't on or off. There are varying degrees of balance. While no game in history that isn't a complete mirror match is ever 100% balanced, there are games that get close, and there are games that aren't playing the same sport. Neverwinter is far down the latter end.

    As for what is stopping me from doing it myself; time investment to my current character, desire to play my current class in a functional state, a lack of desire to waste time playing a class I don't want to play simply because it is disproportionately powerful.

    You seem to be assuming that I am playing a bad class; I'm not. I play a trickster rogue. That doesn't tint my glasses to make me incapable of seeing how dysfunctional class balance is in this game. Balance is GOOD for the game, variety is GOOD for the game, and I will never understand people like you who fight passionately to support the developers lack of ability to swing the pendulum back to the center in a timely fashion.
  • jlanderjlander Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    If I dont like being one shot by a TR I should roll one!?

    No class should have the ability to one shot another class in an mmo, this isnt League of Legends.
  • kimmurieloblodrakimmurieloblodra Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    im out, see you all in 2 weeks, I'll be in a static 20 with my guild, rolling the **** out of the rest of you carebears.
  • lltsnwnlltsnwn Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 787 Bounty Hunter
    edited June 2013
    jlander wrote: »
    If I dont like being one shot by a TR I should roll one!?

    No class should have the ability to one shot another class in an mmo, this isnt League of Legends.

    I don't bother rolling a rogue because Cryptic will nerf them and half of them will cry "I QUIT!" on the forums and re-roll the newest fad overpowered class. The cycle of whine goes on forever...
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  • jlanderjlander Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    im out, see you all in 2 weeks, I'll be in a static 20 with my guild, rolling the **** out of the rest of you carebears.

    See you in two weeks 1 day when you get rolled by a better guild. Looking forward to the post.
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