While the link is probably true it is not the proof that people have been spouting as solid concrete proof. No I am not very young, and even if I were age really has nothing to do with any of this.
If someone were to show through video that this is exactly what is being shown I would give up this pointless debate and agree that 21 people is all that is needed. But that kind of proof hasnt been given so I have no reason to give up my stance like you have no reason to give up yours.
I actually have a good reasoning to keep telling you that you are wrong but sadly this cannot be proven. Yesterday I private msged a guy that was spamming the chat with trades. I wasn't offensive or anything mind you.I was banned in the next 2 minutes for 24 hours. That didn't even needed 21 people m8. ONE person did it juuuuust fine by exploiting the fock out of the chat service. If you search a bit you will find the exploit demonstrated on the internet. I can't prove that ofcourse but for me it is a fact. You on the other hand have the freedom to believe whatever you want until it hits you in the face one day:D
Exactly. Just because you can use zone chat to sell stuff doesn't mean you should. Simple courtesy would tell you that the general chat should not be tied up with trade spam.
Incorrect. There is no official / built-in trade channel, and the AH doesn't suffice for certain types of trade (trading glory indirectly, trading seals indirectly, offering services and trading items for gold, to name a few).
As long as these two factors are in play, you cannot knowingly contribute to such players becoming chat-banned without it being griefing.
And the solution is so simple. All they have to do is add an official / built-in trade channel.
Then tell me, WHAT SHOULD be there oh great one??? You people do not want newbie questions, you do not want LFG/LFM requests, you do not want selling/buying!!!!! What the heck DO you want in zone?? Secondly, I counter with, if you do not want EVERYTHING that IS in zone... Why the dam are you banning people when it is clear that YOU are in the minority.... YOU go to some player made channel... it is YOUR problem!
**EDIT** It is not the bulk of people chat banning, it is a small group of people like you, that I truly think, hate life and want to make others miserable too.... YOU move on, and stop trying to push your values on me and the MAJORITY of players, that ask question, sell/buy, and need more for a party and use zone to do it!!!!!
That's too much yelling. People have the power to report and ban other people. They will abuse it for whatever annoys them. This is bound to happen. On the other hand, although I have never used the report faction, I DO find trade spamming in the general chat very annoying. I don't think it's the trader's fault though. It's Cryptic's fault. In the zone chat the only things I want to see are game related questions and people searching for parties. NOTHING else. There should be separate trade channels for trading. It is a simple solution but alas Cryptic is a mess when it comes to game functionality..
My chat window is about 15 lines high. If your identical copy pasted message appears 3 times in that window, you ARE a spammer and I will report you. Doesn't matter what the content is.
My chat window is about 15 lines high. If your identical copy pasted message appears 3 times in that window, you ARE a spammer and I will report you. Doesn't matter what the content is.
It's just that simple really.
That's flooding, not spamming.
Spam is unsolicited advertising.
If someone is flooding, you should ignore them, not report them for spamming.
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I actually have a good reasoning to keep telling you that you are wrong but sadly this cannot be proven. Yesterday I private msged a guy that was spamming the chat with trades. I wasn't offensive or anything mind you.I was banned in the next 2 minutes for 24 hours. That didn't even needed 21 people m8. ONE person did it juuuuust fine by exploiting the fock out of the chat service. If you search a bit you will find the exploit demonstrated on the internet. I can't prove that ofcourse but for me it is a fact. You on the other hand have the freedom to believe whatever you want until it hits you in the face one day:D
It takes 21 total. If you already had 20 people report spam you at any point prior then only one more personal has to for the silence to kick in.
I just got silenced while - just like everyone else - posting LFG for dungeon delves pre-clear group. Guess I was posting too fast, though I didn't think so... Sigh. Annoying as hell.
They need to sort the chat system, and I don't mean remove the silence function but certainly make more chat threads. If I was posting in a dedicated LFG chat, I wouldn't have been silenced.
Yep, you got chat banned for spamming trade in zone chat. It's going to happen whether you like it or not. See my signature, thank you!
And see MINE for the game DEVELOPERS intended usage for the report spam function. RMT only. Any other use is abuse, so quit exploiting a broken game feature. Good day.
I just got silenced while - just like everyone else - posting LFG for dungeon delves pre-clear group. Guess I was posting too fast, though I didn't think so... Sigh. Annoying as hell.
They need to sort the chat system, and I don't mean remove the silence function but certainly make more chat threads. If I was posting in a dedicated LFG chat, I wouldn't have been silenced.
See you tomorrow, Neverwinter!
Pre clearing for dungeon delves, Im almost positive, is an exploit. So just be happy that is was only a chat spam ban.
How does the automatic chat mute system work and what should I do if I am muted?
The goal of this technology is to minimize the amount of "gold spam" and other forms of inappropriate chat.
Then again, the same source also says "Our team actively monitors for these occurrences" and "In the event that your account is muted, the best action to take is to wait for the mute to expire."
Pre clearing for dungeon delves, Im almost positive, is an exploit. So just be happy that is was only a chat spam ban.
Just be happy?? They will have to ban the entire community then!!! EVERYONE DOES IT. And when everyone does it, no one can get banned. So thanks for your input.
A very few people made out with a whole lot of $$$. They only banned the people who profitted significantly. And that's a horrible comparison. DD preclear does not even begin to compare.
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terradraconisMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild UsersPosts: 17Arc User
Just be happy?? They will have to ban the entire community then!!! EVERYONE DOES IT. And when everyone does it, no one can get banned. So thanks for your input.
Ah yes. Just tell that to everyone else who got banned for doing "what everyone else was doing."
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terradraconisMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild UsersPosts: 17Arc User
A very few people made out with a whole lot of $$$. They only banned the people who profitted significantly. And that's a horrible comparison. DD preclear does not even begin to compare.
sure it does. It is clearly an exploit designed to take advantage of a game mechanic. A mechanic that is setup for you to start and end the dungeon during the designated hour. I suppose that as a fix they could set it up so that if a dungeon is cleared within the first 30 minutes of an hour it awards nothing. That would be fair ... right?
Ah yes. Just tell that to everyone else who got banned for doing "what everyone else was doing."
Honestly, I'm appalled. "what everyone else was doing" is not jumping off a bridge because my friend did it. "What everyone else was doing" is a comment on significant issues that dev's overlook - or are too slow to fix.
sure it does. It is clearly an exploit designed to take advantage of a game mechanic. A mechanic that is setup for you to start and end the dungeon during the designated hour. I suppose that as a fix they could set it up so that if a dungeon is cleared within the first 30 minutes of an hour it awards nothing. That would be fair ... right?
Yes it would be fair. I am not aruging FOR the exploit. I am arguing that everyone can't be banned because it is a clear problem. And it has a domino effect down to the chat ban (my initial complaint).
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terradraconisMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild UsersPosts: 17Arc User
Yes it would be fair. I am not aruging FOR the exploit. I am arguing that everyone can't be banned because it is a clear problem. And it has a domino effect down to the chat ban (my initial complaint).
Sure they can ban everyone using it. Cryptic has done it before.
It takes 21 people hitting the spam report before you receive a ban. People complaining about this were spamming period. If you weren't then 21 people wouldn't have reported you!
Sure they can ban everyone using it. Cryptic has done it before.
That would be pretty lame, imho. You have to look at the whole picture, right? If 95% (arbitrary number but it serves the purpose of an undoubted majority) of the gaming community are using the DD event in this manner, then the DD event needs to be changed. But to punish the 95% for such a blatant issue? Not so clear cut to me.
It takes 21 people hitting the spam report before you receive a ban. People complaining about this were spamming period. If you weren't then 21 people wouldn't have reported you!
Yes I get all that and I understand and I've done my share of reporting spammers. My point is if I was posting the same way as I was in a dedicated LFG chat, odds are fairly high that this wouldn't have happened. That's all I'm saying.
And I do a lot of posting in Zone chat...for LFG and trades. And I am not a spammer. This was very surprising for me. I admit I must have been posting a bit too fast, but I'm not like those "Buy gold for $" sites that post 10 times in a row in rainbow colours.
no offense but it's wrong to outright ban someone for advertising. Once every 20 minutes from some guy in one of the desolate zones is better than a unfriendly atmosphere where nothing communicates except for the nearby orcs.
You can't just up and cut someone's head off because he's yelling about his cheap beer at a beach front, just because you own a liquor store.
Get out of Protecter's Enclave. That's where all the supposed chat spam occurs.
If we all just get out of the zone, then this would not happen again.
There. Fixed for truth. I've been in the game since open beta launch, and yes. Protecter's Enclave is indeed, the ONLY zone sales occur in. Head to a gate and zone to any one of the other instances in the game and blessed silence.
So, all these people that are complaining are just too lazy to make their own channel to talk in(but they sure do want someone else to make their own channel to trade in), too lazy to move out of the zone(read: like to grief using a broken chat feature), and can't be bothered to remove zone from chat tabs. Y'know....all the easy solutions.
You are much to broad here... If you get a Viagra email in your inbox you flag that sender as spam and YOU never see it again..... you do not effect the other people who do, as it should be. There may be people who would order from that mailing and NOT find it spam.... what makes you think YOU should dictate to THEM what they can see or not??? I see no problem with selling in Zone chat, that it what it is there for, and I challenge ANTONE to show me in writing from Cryptic/PWE where it says different, yes I realize it does not say it is either, that is my point!!
It's spam, it's not really a matter of opinion. If for some reason a person receives spam and says "oh goody, I got spam that I'm real interested in!!".........it's still spam. It's universally recognized by the filter as spam, because it is the sort of thing that a great many have stated they do not want a mass communicated attempt to sell unwanted merchandise by an unsolicited merchant in their inbox. ANYTHING that fits that criteria winds up there.
If a couple guys are real interested in bargain basement viagra, well, sorry guys. The other twenty thousand people that got the same message aren't, so it's going to continue to wind up in your spam filter.
It's the same here. A great many do not want the garbage merchants in their zone. The players are the filter. It filters it from you(puts it in your recycle bin, if you will) if you report spam, and you don't have to see it anymore. If enough people do the very same thing, the person gets muted because there is a large enough consensus that what you are doing is, indeed, spam that the kind folks making the game feel that it's just better to not have you communicating with anyone.
And again, same thing here. Just because a couple of guys want to buy things from here doesn't mean the other thousand want to see it.
As best I can tell, none of this is just my opinion. It is the actual functionality of how the entire system works both in your e-mail AND in this game.
As an aside, I only report things that I personally perceive as spam. For me personally, it is anything I see too often, or in all caps, containing language inappropriate to be shouted to a crowd(essentially what a /zone chat is), or containing "flash" such as a line of asterisks to draw attention to the carny hawking his wares. I also report gold sellers as a matter of course, and I doubt anyone would disagree with that action despite that fact that somebody, somewhere, actually uses their services.
I'm not saying it's a perfect system. There is a ton of room for abuse, and the primary abuse I see as a possibility is butthurt spam merchants abusing the system on innocents as an act of revenge. The same thing also seems like a natural progression of poor sportsmanship stemming from PvP activities or loot disagreements.
The fact that spam reports don't roll away over time is extremely shortsighted. I can't see a good way to justify this. Some level of roll-off must surely be appropriate.
There is no excuse for a game made in 2013 lacking a trade channel that is apart from the main zone chat. For real, it's pretty irresponsible of a game maker to put four forms of currency in a game, one form on the AH, and no proper venue to utilize the others in the player economy. It basically begs for the poor behavior that the spam report is designed to curtail. I'm not entirely unsympathetic.
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I actually have a good reasoning to keep telling you that you are wrong but sadly this cannot be proven. Yesterday I private msged a guy that was spamming the chat with trades. I wasn't offensive or anything mind you.I was banned in the next 2 minutes for 24 hours. That didn't even needed 21 people m8. ONE person did it juuuuust fine by exploiting the fock out of the chat service. If you search a bit you will find the exploit demonstrated on the internet. I can't prove that ofcourse but for me it is a fact. You on the other hand have the freedom to believe whatever you want until it hits you in the face one day:D
Incorrect. There is no official / built-in trade channel, and the AH doesn't suffice for certain types of trade (trading glory indirectly, trading seals indirectly, offering services and trading items for gold, to name a few).
As long as these two factors are in play, you cannot knowingly contribute to such players becoming chat-banned without it being griefing.
And the solution is so simple. All they have to do is add an official / built-in trade channel.
That's too much yelling. People have the power to report and ban other people. They will abuse it for whatever annoys them. This is bound to happen. On the other hand, although I have never used the report faction, I DO find trade spamming in the general chat very annoying. I don't think it's the trader's fault though. It's Cryptic's fault. In the zone chat the only things I want to see are game related questions and people searching for parties. NOTHING else. There should be separate trade channels for trading. It is a simple solution but alas Cryptic is a mess when it comes to game functionality..
It's just that simple really.
That's flooding, not spamming.
Spam is unsolicited advertising.
If someone is flooding, you should ignore them, not report them for spamming.
LFG/Trade Channels.
If we all start using them then this would not happen again.
You can call it Shirley for all I care, it's still getting reported.
There is no need for an LFG channel, the social window already has an LFG function.
Lmao. Working as intended. My single report on my single account makes me a griefer. Keep on spammin' man.
It takes 21 total. If you already had 20 people report spam you at any point prior then only one more personal has to for the silence to kick in.
They need to sort the chat system, and I don't mean remove the silence function but certainly make more chat threads. If I was posting in a dedicated LFG chat, I wouldn't have been silenced.
See you tomorrow, Neverwinter!
And see MINE for the game DEVELOPERS intended usage for the report spam function. RMT only. Any other use is abuse, so quit exploiting a broken game feature. Good day.
Occam's Razor makes the cutting clean.
Pre clearing for dungeon delves, Im almost positive, is an exploit. So just be happy that is was only a chat spam ban.
Just be happy?? They will have to ban the entire community then!!! EVERYONE DOES IT. And when everyone does it, no one can get banned. So thanks for your input.
Caturday says hi.
A very few people made out with a whole lot of $$$. They only banned the people who profitted significantly. And that's a horrible comparison. DD preclear does not even begin to compare.
Ah yes. Just tell that to everyone else who got banned for doing "what everyone else was doing."
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sure it does. It is clearly an exploit designed to take advantage of a game mechanic. A mechanic that is setup for you to start and end the dungeon during the designated hour. I suppose that as a fix they could set it up so that if a dungeon is cleared within the first 30 minutes of an hour it awards nothing. That would be fair ... right?
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
Honestly, I'm appalled. "what everyone else was doing" is not jumping off a bridge because my friend did it. "What everyone else was doing" is a comment on significant issues that dev's overlook - or are too slow to fix.
Yes it would be fair. I am not aruging FOR the exploit. I am arguing that everyone can't be banned because it is a clear problem. And it has a domino effect down to the chat ban (my initial complaint).
Sure they can ban everyone using it. Cryptic has done it before.
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That would be pretty lame, imho. You have to look at the whole picture, right? If 95% (arbitrary number but it serves the purpose of an undoubted majority) of the gaming community are using the DD event in this manner, then the DD event needs to be changed. But to punish the 95% for such a blatant issue? Not so clear cut to me.
Yes I get all that and I understand and I've done my share of reporting spammers. My point is if I was posting the same way as I was in a dedicated LFG chat, odds are fairly high that this wouldn't have happened. That's all I'm saying.
And I do a lot of posting in Zone chat...for LFG and trades. And I am not a spammer. This was very surprising for me. I admit I must have been posting a bit too fast, but I'm not like those "Buy gold for $" sites that post 10 times in a row in rainbow colours.
You can't just up and cut someone's head off because he's yelling about his cheap beer at a beach front, just because you own a liquor store.
There. Fixed for truth. I've been in the game since open beta launch, and yes. Protecter's Enclave is indeed, the ONLY zone sales occur in. Head to a gate and zone to any one of the other instances in the game and blessed silence.
So, all these people that are complaining are just too lazy to make their own channel to talk in(but they sure do want someone else to make their own channel to trade in), too lazy to move out of the zone(read: like to grief using a broken chat feature), and can't be bothered to remove zone from chat tabs. Y'know....all the easy solutions.
Occam's Razor makes the cutting clean.
It's spam, it's not really a matter of opinion. If for some reason a person receives spam and says "oh goody, I got spam that I'm real interested in!!".........it's still spam. It's universally recognized by the filter as spam, because it is the sort of thing that a great many have stated they do not want a mass communicated attempt to sell unwanted merchandise by an unsolicited merchant in their inbox. ANYTHING that fits that criteria winds up there.
If a couple guys are real interested in bargain basement viagra, well, sorry guys. The other twenty thousand people that got the same message aren't, so it's going to continue to wind up in your spam filter.
It's the same here. A great many do not want the garbage merchants in their zone. The players are the filter. It filters it from you(puts it in your recycle bin, if you will) if you report spam, and you don't have to see it anymore. If enough people do the very same thing, the person gets muted because there is a large enough consensus that what you are doing is, indeed, spam that the kind folks making the game feel that it's just better to not have you communicating with anyone.
And again, same thing here. Just because a couple of guys want to buy things from here doesn't mean the other thousand want to see it.
As best I can tell, none of this is just my opinion. It is the actual functionality of how the entire system works both in your e-mail AND in this game.
As an aside, I only report things that I personally perceive as spam. For me personally, it is anything I see too often, or in all caps, containing language inappropriate to be shouted to a crowd(essentially what a /zone chat is), or containing "flash" such as a line of asterisks to draw attention to the carny hawking his wares. I also report gold sellers as a matter of course, and I doubt anyone would disagree with that action despite that fact that somebody, somewhere, actually uses their services.
I'm not saying it's a perfect system. There is a ton of room for abuse, and the primary abuse I see as a possibility is butthurt spam merchants abusing the system on innocents as an act of revenge. The same thing also seems like a natural progression of poor sportsmanship stemming from PvP activities or loot disagreements.
The fact that spam reports don't roll away over time is extremely shortsighted. I can't see a good way to justify this. Some level of roll-off must surely be appropriate.
There is no excuse for a game made in 2013 lacking a trade channel that is apart from the main zone chat. For real, it's pretty irresponsible of a game maker to put four forms of currency in a game, one form on the AH, and no proper venue to utilize the others in the player economy. It basically begs for the poor behavior that the spam report is designed to curtail. I'm not entirely unsympathetic.