Simple this isn't farmville, it's D&D, those nodes were also ripe for exploiting, which is what happens. Cryptic has a <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> ton of experience and has learned the hard way what works and doesn't work mostly by falling on their faces and then being curbed stomped by their customers. nodes like that can be farmed with that much output and exploited all to hell just don't work.
I saw this coming and so did anyone with any common sense.
Cryptic solution sucks, a dismishing returns/ransack system would have been 100 times better, but hey, if you want to justify their "solutions", be my guest.
The nodes were not what was causing the 99 stacks, it was a duping exploit so all the White Knight arguments mean nothing. Nodes are being reduced to cause people to pay. There are enough cash sinks in this game without that and they need to stop it. This game should have more nodes not less. Profession mats are hard to get as it is.
The mistake I think they are making is in prices. Once you do the math and realise how much real money stuff is (and I have a job and a life, I don't spend every waking hour grinding AD to turn to Zen, like a good little consumer I buy Zen) you have to think, No way.
But cut the prices by 80% and I wouldn't think twice. But I guess all their accountants and MBA's have done the math and this is the way they think they can maximise short-term profits.
So, is this how this forum works now? Offer any criticism and you're mocked? If you're not called a crying whiner, then you're accused of being an exploiter? Is it seriously that hard to believe that a legit player would be upset about receiving less rewards from questlines? This isn't even an intellectual form of argument, you're just putting words in his mouth. If your posts contain the phrases "fixed that for you" or "in other words", then you should delete it and try again.
Nerf or not, what I find stalest in this game is the loot. It is just too much the same, I really have no eagerness looking forward to cool, unique loot. I suppose it's part of the MMO curse of no one can be special. If the game stayed coop, we'd probably had much more varied loot and a lot less Foundry restrictions. Why? Because we would be running our own mini-worlds. Oh well, that is waht ARPG's are for I suppose.
That was the response the Administrator left 4 mins after I started this thread. Its a fact that they made those changes to those areas they listed in patch notes. Its a fact the instance in Ice they took out both chest and 4 outa the 5 nodes are gone.
So loot runs that are in EVERY MMO to help players make ingame money....in this game are called exploiters and cheaters. LOL
Thanks for all the support and lack off on this topic, if you don't think this change is gonna hurt the game then your either a cash shop junkie, already rich , already max level or don't give a **** about the professions. You must be the Power Gamers that come and level quickly and move on to the next new game that is soon to be released.
They nerf the amount of chest and nodes in instance quest why? All they needed was to put the nodes on a timer like they did the chest. Sounds like they nerf the amount of them as a punishment that effects every new player to the game from this day forward.
Also they just ruined the professions players. Thanx for that.
Ignore the fanbois, you have a valid point. Those that think that spending hours of time farming is exploiting have no credibility. Since the dawn of RPGs farming for loot and items has been a staple of the game. For the entitled generation of "give it to meh now" people, enjoy spending your cash on things that should be free in game. I do not mind spending my cash on reasonable items but if it gets to the point where it takes cash to do anything at all, a trend which is getting worse and worse in this game, I will leave and so won't many others. Frankly, why put crafting in at all if you are going to make it completely useless and impossible?
The nodes were not what was causing the 99 stacks, it was a duping exploit so all the White Knight arguments mean nothing. Nodes are being reduced to cause people to pay. There are enough cash sinks in this game without that and they need to stop it. This game should have more nodes not less. Profession mats are hard to get as it is.
More duping exploits? Jesus. I'm so naive I thought the odd pile I saw was the result of grafting. How did this sort of thing get through closed beta?
Just thought I would add for those who think that lower the "quest rewards" has anything to do with this is wrong. The instances that people farmed nodes out of were part of quests, and needed to have the quest in there log to zone in. The lowering of rewards is simply removing loot from the instances making them less desirable to farm.
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stormhammyMember, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 3Arc User
You leaving will not impact anyone else's gaming experience in the slightest.
False, his leaving will likely improve quite a number of people's gaming experience.
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Kantorek: Yeah.. you should try it. It's awesome.
Sihndra: Nope- not currently possible under any circumstances. Sorry.
LokisDottir: I mean...not haunting the forums, nope nope.
Konariraiden: You don't know what you are up against. You will lose.
Wrong, Perfect World was the game with the smallest inventory space ever. 30 slots at max lvl if you did not buy and expansion stone from the cash shop. One stone added 20 more slots up to i think 100+ slots in total. It was still playable but also frustrating at times.
Peace.
This one gives I think 16 slots and never gets bigger on banks.
So it now has the new record...^_^
And as for bank and inventory in perfect world and jade dynasty they started to give bank and inventory increases in space as you level...so you go beyond 30 in the bank easily and you also get items from your reward bag as well.
I play both those games and have for a number of years......yep this neverwinter one is fairly small for bank inventory...surprisingly it doesn't get bigger when you level either.
In perfect world and jade dynasty and forsaken world what they do is have special events and things like say the book event for example.....that use a lot of inventory spaces.....thus they get you to want to have more inventory and bank space so you can get the better rewards from the events and such.
I don't think neverwinter has any sort of events like that though yet nor nay planned for the future, even so.....would be kind of dumb too since neverwinters inventory and bank space is super small....would make zero sense and just be another frustration for players.
Power without Perception is Spiritually useless and therefore of no true value.
hobieoneMember, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 0Arc User
edited May 2013
to be honest the stuff you got from the nodes and chests in those areas weren't that great. about the only thing was some of the crafting mats. the gear was ho hum.rarely you would get something good from the chests. not concerned about the quest rewards either by the time i did those quests they adjusted i had already gotten better gear. so these adjustments are no way game breaking.
No, I'm simply someone who is interested in having an adult conversation. Don't let me stand in the way of you ignoring me though, you clearly have nothing to add.
A rich rogue nowadays is fit company for any gentleman; and the world, my dear, hath not such a contempt for roguery as you imagine. - John HAMSTER
Simple this isn't farmville, it's D&D, those nodes were also ripe for exploiting, which is what happens. Cryptic has a <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> ton of experience and has learned the hard way what works and doesn't work mostly by falling on their faces and then being curbed stomped by their customers. nodes like that can be farmed with that much output and exploited all to hell just don't work.
I saw this coming and so did anyone with any common sense.
Really? And how does the crafting in D&D traditionally work? Do Wizards of the Coast charge extra for boosters to crafting in their Pen and Paper games? I honestly wouldn't know. You need a social circle to play DnD. ;_;
A rich rogue nowadays is fit company for any gentleman; and the world, my dear, hath not such a contempt for roguery as you imagine. - John HAMSTER
No, I'm simply someone who is interested in having an adult conversation. Don't let me stand in the way of you ignoring me though, you clearly have nothing to add.
I wasn't talking about you, I was giving you advise about the person who addressed you. Simply ignore them.
Well, I for one, appreciate you pinkfont. Like a breath of fresh air in room full of dense fog.[/QUOTE
Have you ever been in fog? It is quite dense, and fresh at the same time (fog is water vapor, not poison). Perhaps you saw pink text and immediately lost all control of yourself at the idea of conversing with a female. Perhaps you then spent 20 minutes trying to find some way to "flirt" with said female, and the above attempt to be slick backfired and made you look 11. Go back to reading novels and stop trying to write them.
Have you ever been in fog? It is quite dense, and fresh at the same time (fog is water vapor, not poison). Perhaps you saw pink text and immediately lost all control of yourself at the idea of conversing with a female. Perhaps you then spent 20 minutes trying to find some way to "flirt" with said female, and the above attempt to be slick backfired and made you look 11. Go back to reading novels and stop trying to write them.
The fog I usually found myself in was created by an artificial fog machine when playing in my band. I can assure you that it was NOT fresh. This is aside from the fog of imbeciles with raging hormonal issues on this forum.
Well, I for one, appreciate you pinkfont. Like a breath of fresh air in room full of dense fog.[/QUOTE
Have you ever been in fog? It is quite dense, and fresh at the same time (fog is water vapor, not poison). Perhaps you saw pink text and immediately lost all control of yourself at the idea of conversing with a female. Perhaps you then spent 20 minutes trying to find some way to "flirt" with said female, and the above attempt to be slick backfired and made you look 11. Go back to reading novels and stop trying to write them.
B-but, I'm a manly man. I have a beard and everything.
A rich rogue nowadays is fit company for any gentleman; and the world, my dear, hath not such a contempt for roguery as you imagine. - John HAMSTER
I cant believe you NERF that many of the chest and node drops its unacceptable and that my friend is the straw that broke the camels back. I'm done not gonna spend anymore of my time playing this game when you go and do things like that just because a few players screwed the many over .....so you just joined them as you screwed over the many players that didnt do a thing except play the game you gave to us.
Im sure all the areas you mentioned in patch is as bad as the one I'm talking about you took 6 out of the 7 "5 nodes" & "2 chest" all that remain now is ONE FREAKING node.
So since you got taking advantage by a few you screw over the rest of us and the next ones that try this game out. By the time you get another wave of new players I bet this game is gonne be a SHELL of what it use to be.
RIFT here I come in 2 weeks they launch F2P , btw they are alot more friendly with there BANK slots and INV that you all are. What a pathetic amount of bank space you give us for FREE loloolool, Its gotta be the lowest amount I have ever seen on any F2P MMO EVER.
Its painfully obvious their primary focus is fixing issues that impact the sale of Zen... those of you that haven't put 2 and 2 together yet.
We should have more details regarding the details of these changes, and reasons for these changes very soon. Sorry that I don't have them available at this particular moment. Thanks for your patience!
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Cryptic solution sucks, a dismishing returns/ransack system would have been 100 times better, but hey, if you want to justify their "solutions", be my guest.
..... fanboys.. so cute.
I agree... it's preposterous...
This post in Reddit details it all:
http://www.reddit.com/r/Neverwinter/comments/1dry0g/neverwinters_f2p_model_what_you_need_to_know/
Read it, you might find something you haven't considered...
The guy is a forum warrior. Ignore him.
Forum Trolls getting you down? Click here to access your personal Forum Ignore List.
His post has a point while yours does not.
Ignore the fanbois, you have a valid point. Those that think that spending hours of time farming is exploiting have no credibility. Since the dawn of RPGs farming for loot and items has been a staple of the game. For the entitled generation of "give it to meh now" people, enjoy spending your cash on things that should be free in game. I do not mind spending my cash on reasonable items but if it gets to the point where it takes cash to do anything at all, a trend which is getting worse and worse in this game, I will leave and so won't many others. Frankly, why put crafting in at all if you are going to make it completely useless and impossible?
More duping exploits? Jesus. I'm so naive I thought the odd pile I saw was the result of grafting. How did this sort of thing get through closed beta?
False, his leaving will likely improve quite a number of people's gaming experience.
('-')
Hawk:Do this. closing thread
frankieraye: I'll see if we can replace the woman with a stick figure and the tiger fangs with marshmallows./Issues like these need to get escalated quickly to minimize the damage.
Kantorek: Yeah.. you should try it. It's awesome.
Sihndra: Nope- not currently possible under any circumstances. Sorry.
LokisDottir: I mean...not haunting the forums, nope nope.
Konariraiden: You don't know what you are up against. You will lose.
This one gives I think 16 slots and never gets bigger on banks.
So it now has the new record...^_^
And as for bank and inventory in perfect world and jade dynasty they started to give bank and inventory increases in space as you level...so you go beyond 30 in the bank easily and you also get items from your reward bag as well.
I play both those games and have for a number of years......yep this neverwinter one is fairly small for bank inventory...surprisingly it doesn't get bigger when you level either.
In perfect world and jade dynasty and forsaken world what they do is have special events and things like say the book event for example.....that use a lot of inventory spaces.....thus they get you to want to have more inventory and bank space so you can get the better rewards from the events and such.
I don't think neverwinter has any sort of events like that though yet nor nay planned for the future, even so.....would be kind of dumb too since neverwinters inventory and bank space is super small....would make zero sense and just be another frustration for players.
Power without Perception is Spiritually useless and therefore of no true value.
=^_^=
His post has a point because he accused someone of cheating whitout any proof?
You are hilarious.
No, I'm simply someone who is interested in having an adult conversation. Don't let me stand in the way of you ignoring me though, you clearly have nothing to add.
Really? And how does the crafting in D&D traditionally work? Do Wizards of the Coast charge extra for boosters to crafting in their Pen and Paper games? I honestly wouldn't know. You need a social circle to play DnD. ;_;
I wasn't talking about you, I was giving you advise about the person who addressed you. Simply ignore them.
Ah, my mistake. Now I feel all dumb.
lol is your character supposed to look like Groose ?
The fog I usually found myself in was created by an artificial fog machine when playing in my band. I can assure you that it was NOT fresh. This is aside from the fog of imbeciles with raging hormonal issues on this forum.
Its painfully obvious their primary focus is fixing issues that impact the sale of Zen... those of you that haven't put 2 and 2 together yet.
Where do I hide my excitement