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stripiestfilly0
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HEALER AGRO
This mechanic is intelligent, the AI in this game is smarter than most of its players it seems.
In pvp situation you go after a healer first oh wait half the pvp'ers are HAMSTER too.
Finally a game has some AI that is a challenge why are you complaining ? do you want to have to NOT THINK or BE AWARE of situations lets make a game where you spam one button to win and not even have to watch the screen or your team mates or the enemy or anything.
I am seriously in awe of how people are qq'ing about this. The fact that you have to help someone and not be the big f.uckin hero by yourself shows truely how self centred you are.
In my opinion the healer should be the most prioritized team member - ALWAYS LOOK FOR THEM ALWAYS HELP THEM.
they cant heal dead - and thats ok if they die its NOT thier fault its the rest of the team being f.uckin stupid and not paying attn.
PLEASE I BEG OF YOU PW DO NOT CHANGE THIS MECHANIC - LET PEOPLE LEARN HOW TO PLAY IN A TEAM.
And for the qq'r who are going to jump on me for saying all this, your intelligence level well - i dont even know what to say apart from durrhurrr
and im sure ill hit a few fanboi's of smart AI [and smart players] and theyll support me.
I think in some cases id rather have pug AI players than humans.
This mechanic is intelligent, the AI in this game is smarter than most of its players it seems.
In pvp situation you go after a healer first oh wait half the pvp'ers are HAMSTER too.
Finally a game has some AI that is a challenge why are you complaining ? do you want to have to NOT THINK or BE AWARE of situations lets make a game where you spam one button to win and not even have to watch the screen or your team mates or the enemy or anything.
I am seriously in awe of how people are qq'ing about this. The fact that you have to help someone and not be the big f.uckin hero by yourself shows truely how self centred you are.
In my opinion the healer should be the most prioritized team member - ALWAYS LOOK FOR THEM ALWAYS HELP THEM.
they cant heal dead - and thats ok if they die its NOT thier fault its the rest of the team being f.uckin stupid and not paying attn.
PLEASE I BEG OF YOU PW DO NOT CHANGE THIS MECHANIC - LET PEOPLE LEARN HOW TO PLAY IN A TEAM.
And for the qq'r who are going to jump on me for saying all this, your intelligence level well - i dont even know what to say apart from durrhurrr
and im sure ill hit a few fanboi's of smart AI [and smart players] and theyll support me.
I think in some cases id rather have pug AI players than humans.
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Yes this is true but i mean initial mob pops/pulls not a healer smashing on a mob and healing while a tank isnt ~really~ tanking it
I understand what you mean and I apologize for not stating it more clearly in OP - a tank should "easily" regain or gain agro if its on the healer, this may not be 100% the case as the healer may have a high threat on the mob already and takes longer or more dps/taunt to regain agro
not sure what you mean, i have no trouble generating threat on any tank class - maybe youre bad?
ejfhnv9pq847nq[98m < that my friend is randomly typed nonsense, what i wrote was infact an english derived "opinion"
Then why does your healer have aggro?
Then why did you make this thread?
By @Stebss
Short Code: NW-DM900IFHK
And the truth is a dumb cleric that spams heals and and does not wait for a bit of aggro gain first will get killed quickly, And there is nothing a GF can do against a dumb cleric, Since they have no "real" taunt they mark do damage and build threat quickly. Mark alone does not do anything. I dont think it needs to I just think the Tab power needs to have more of a taunt mechanic with a respectable cool down instead of a single target mark that becomes completely obsolete at lv 35 GF.
GWF is another story and there role and probably whole class needs to be completely reworked and very defined.
/righteousness is not RIGHT!
I want this class in NW.
Or if the boss of an area would show up as soon as you killed a few of his minions and killed you when you were still 5 levels too weak to face him.
It would be smart but wouldn't be very fun.
Being smart and realistic isn't what makes an mmo fun. Giving people roles and opportunities to fail or succeed at those roles is what makes an mmo fun. When people are good at their role, they should get a sense of satisfaction from their contribution to the team.
Currently the tanking role is not done by the tank classes, but rather is partly unnecessary due to how fights work and partly unnecessary due to clerics fulfilling the role better. This leaves tanks without a satisfying role. They can either chase after things feeling ineffective and frustrated, or give up on tanking and go dps.
Compare the Neverwinter chicken chaser tank to other mmos, where tanks manage aggro, tank damage, and position enemies. They have an important role, rather than being unnecessary. It's more fun to have a role than to be irrelevant.
If you're still not getting it, think about other things that aren't very smart. If people can have rings that regenerate health, then why not wear more than two rings and regenerate health so fast that dps don't need clerics? Then the clerics could sit around making irrelevant circles on the ground while the dps kill the boss and wonder if they should just take 5 dps next time.
When the game is broken, the roles fall apart, and the people who want to do those roles aren't having much fun.
If you like the idea of tanks endlessly chasing mobs because it seems smart, then you need to think up a way to make that fun for the tanks. Standing around taking tons of damage and feeling like you're protecting the party is fun for tanks. How can you make chasing trash mobs that are ignoring you seem fun?
If aggro mechanic will not change at least PW staff should give something to full tanks GFs. There are abilities that let GF protect all team, give temporary hp, and so on, but these are powers and even a full oriented DPS GF can use the same powers. Maybe feat trees should be revised? (not the conqueror).
First awesome topic title. Secondly, I agree I like how it works (I play GF).
I was pugging just a bit ago- I was on the boss, business as usual, when I notice the healer running around trying to escape 15 adds and he's at less then half HP and going down. I realize the GWF/TR/WIZ all are just dps'ing the boss. So I immediately start flying around like a madman spamming threatening rush and knocked down the adds closest to him with frontline - started putting out the best damage I could on as many adds as I could.. I saved the Cleric, and then finally the GWF noticed and hopped off the boss and helped me clear them.
We were probably going to wipe, but because one person was paying attention it was a successful run. Now if everyone had been paying attention, that would never have been an issue in the first place.
First I LOL'd, then I cried a bit inside at how true it is.
tl/dr - I like that this game isn't a traditional tank-n-spank and offers the challenge you see people whining about not having in other games, yet somehow just as many people here wine about having it.. *mind blown*
-Edit - This is not to say I think the aggro mechanic is perfect, and that GF's couldn't use more tools to gain aggro and even to sustain it as one or two harder trash mobs can destroy a tanks shield in seconds or two hit him like anyone else. But I don't want to see this turned into a one button wonder to get aggro system either.
Oh but wait, the Leader role is for the cleric, not the GF.
Get over yourself, clerics rule and we got nerfed because we were too cool for this game.
I want this class in NW.
The second problem is as you stated that it "Is the groups job" but in a pug and the current MMO meta this is not a concept people are familiar with. They still expect the tank to have the instant all aggro button. Most also expect healers to have the make my bar full while I just mash this button over and over on the boss. Forget about stepping out of the red circle the healer has it.
Last but not least is the broken mechanics. To name some are the boss damage mechanics; high damage avoidable AoE, random target anyone attacks, no damage basic attacks; class mechanics like Astral Shield stacking; mark removal.
As I said I love the game as it is and don't want it to be dumbed down because that is what people have gotten use to. What I do want is to not get kicked from parties because the concepts are cool but my roll can be easier done by someone else.
I don't mind if adds go after me.
What I -do- mind is if the whole entire room of adds except the boss decides they want me more than anything else in the world EVER.
Truly, I love it when I have to do something other than standing there and healing/damaging, but when my threat generation skyrockets past the supposed tank in the group with no way for someone to grab adds off me....We have a problem.
I want Sooth's effect to be noticeable, even if it's only a little bit. I don't know - maybe I've just had terrible tanks during every single dungeon I've done
There are the people who want clerics to generate very little threat and make the tank's job quite easy**
And then there are the ones who just want their group-mates to be able to peel adds off them. Please differentiate between the two.
**Of course there are the people who want this to play like WoW tanks. Ignore them**
It's sometimes nightmarish in PUGs, but seems to like the typical player is getting a more firm grip on game play.
Aggro isn't related to healing; if it were, everyone would get pretty even aggro. The healing class of Neverwinter is potions.
No one is attacking a cleric because of healing word... They attack them, especially in PvP, because of Astral Shield & Hallowed Ground. That's where the cleric's true power lies, buffs. Healing is just a side effect of clerics casting other more useful spells.
It's a lazy design to assign arbitrary aggro to a spell cast that causes a healing effect. If that were really the case, every time anyone used a potion, they'd get swarmed by ADDs.
It's a lazy design to promote healing effect aggro above lethal DPS on a target. How is a minor healing effect more threatening that being hacked to pieces by a DPS?
Bosses will stand there being chain critical hit by DPS and continue to direct their minions away from intervening, to join an already outrageously OP mob of minions chasing a cleric; until dead. How is this smart?
Smart would be: The boss has all his minions sitting in the sole entrance way to his lair. He'd live happily ever after at that point.
None of this even addresses the fact that new ADD spawns immediately charge the cleric, regardless of whatever else is going on nearby.
What the game needs is a numerical aggro figure attached to each character, with a distance falloff. So that a DPS in close proximity to an ADD, draws aggro. An aggro zone around each character, so to speak; with monsters going towards the highest point of aggro they are in at any given time.
I suspect, if this were ever to actually happen, which I don't expect; that we'd see an explosion of hate spam threads from the everyone *****ing about aggro situations.
Don't be fooled, the GFs don't really want a realistic aggro mechanic in battles. They want to generate the aggro they are prepared to handle, but no more than that. Obviously, DPS doesn't want realistic aggro either.
Short of it is, everyone is happy to slough their aggro off on the cleric.
EDIT - I could believe GWFs would like a lot of aggro. Destroying trash mobs is what they do best.
Now compare the above scenario, which if I could record I would, with dungeon boss fights. Don't make excuses, boss adds spawn closer. Of course it's is better if others test this scenario and come to there own conclusion.
I played from the start of open beta and up until I hit 60 and beyond I have only encountered maybe 10 partys that knew what they were doing or would take advice from the healer. I've been told "don't get hit, move!" or "hurr durr we don't need your advice look at my DPS!?1! We are doing fine" (whole party dead a few minutes later)
With that said, the last few days I have been leveling my CW that I created at the same time as my cleric, I'm only level 30 with the CW so far but I must say the gameplay is a lot more boring and bland. When in a party and people aren't HAMSTER I enjoy playing cleric more, I can just stand there the whole battle as a CW sometimes, not having to move and just spamming attacks, while it's amusing being able to stand back and watch everything go for the clerics and not me for once I can't help but feel something needs to be adjusted. I've never really felt under pressure yet as the CW :l
and before someone says it, not everyone has the time or desire to join a guild and play with people who know what they are doing
I have a group, but it is hard to get all 5 on line at the same time.
PUGs are so infuriating, I can't really see myself doing much, if any, PUGs as a cleric anymore.
I hash around with a CW, but it isn't very fun for me; though I can easily see how it would be for other players.
Edited for spelling.