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neomouser
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I've quite enjoyed NW since I started playing. I do not care about the "broken" state of the economy due to exploits or the long waits in dungeon and skirmish queues. My issue is with basic MMO components costing real money to access, and the developers pushing these purchases on the player.
Really, it costs 600 Zen, or $6, to respec ONCE? This is the most frustrating part of this game for me. Hands down.
The inventory space is severely limited and I have to buy bags for $10 a piece? Sure there are a couple of in-game quests that reward (tiny) bags, but this is a ludicrous system. Furthermore, the "bank" is more like a small locker. Really, 16 slots? And buying 16 more costs $6? /sigh
The most aggravating part of this inventory/bank conundrum I find myself in is how much of my inventory is taken up by enchantments and runestones that I would like to keep and fuse to eventually have some powerful ones end-game. I suppose one could exchange Astral Diamonds for the Zen, but I see that as a massive waste of time.
Plenty of other MMO's that are subscription-based include all these features, but as rewards in-game for putting time in, not reaching into your wallet and paying for standard MMO features. Personally, I would be happy to pay $15 a month to play NW and see the entire Zen market taken out of the game. I know it's Perfect World's way of doing their F2P game model, but I think NW has the potential to be as good as WoW and possibly surpass it in the next couple of years if PW plays their cards right.
Really, it costs 600 Zen, or $6, to respec ONCE? This is the most frustrating part of this game for me. Hands down.
The inventory space is severely limited and I have to buy bags for $10 a piece? Sure there are a couple of in-game quests that reward (tiny) bags, but this is a ludicrous system. Furthermore, the "bank" is more like a small locker. Really, 16 slots? And buying 16 more costs $6? /sigh
The most aggravating part of this inventory/bank conundrum I find myself in is how much of my inventory is taken up by enchantments and runestones that I would like to keep and fuse to eventually have some powerful ones end-game. I suppose one could exchange Astral Diamonds for the Zen, but I see that as a massive waste of time.
Plenty of other MMO's that are subscription-based include all these features, but as rewards in-game for putting time in, not reaching into your wallet and paying for standard MMO features. Personally, I would be happy to pay $15 a month to play NW and see the entire Zen market taken out of the game. I know it's Perfect World's way of doing their F2P game model, but I think NW has the potential to be as good as WoW and possibly surpass it in the next couple of years if PW plays their cards right.
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Foundry Content:Guide - Custom Channels and List (NW-DHBU9OTOS)
Asset upgrading poll.
pay to play models are better because the game itself is not compromised. also keeps out most of the 12 year olds, makes it harder to bot, etc.
The only subscription models that I think have a chance of working are a freemium model, or a niche model that charges a very hefty subscription.
Foundry Content:Guide - Custom Channels and List (NW-DHBU9OTOS)
Asset upgrading poll.
So far I've spent just $5 in this game, but after the recent chaos can't see myself spending any more until/unless there is a clear indication that some of the fundemental problems have been sorted out. Not just talking about the economy here, but things like the ridiculous add-swamped boss fights. Good luck getting a group for Lair of the Mad Dragon where someone doesn't leave before you manage a kill!
There are other ranges for that chart. Many MMOs hang around the 100k to 200k population mark.
Then all of the industry's heavy hitters and pros need to be informed that they are doing it wrong.
Blizzard showed that if you provide a good enough product and new content, people will pay to be a part of it. PWE has some serious business plan issues going on here IMO.
That's the key, a quality game. The only thing the market has shown is that people won't pay $15/mo for low quality bad games.
...this
Not all is bad. But too much happened. Or should I say, too much did not happen? Open Beta w/o wipe. Come on. You don't pee up the wind^^
Who has succeeded with a pure subscription model? I'm unaware of anyone other than Blizzard, and if WoW launched today, they'd be going F2P in short order as well.
Whatever people say in this thread, whatever they vote in this poll, gamers in general have already voted with their wallets - F2P attracts and keeps more gamers than subscription models, in all but a few cases.
Reality? A vast, VAST majority of you people claiming subscription is really what you want would have never touched this game if it required a subscription, or would have left after a month of whining about it anyways. Move on. Find a game you like. Leave those of us happy with this one alone.
WoW got in before the lock. Honestly, if/when WoW realizes that more money is made per player with a F2P model versus a P2P model we will probably never see another major P2P game again. If WoW were not sitting out there as a role model companies would stop wasting their time with P2P. How many games have we watched turn to F2P after their P2P did not work out well enough? Companies need to realize that if you are not WoW then P2P is probably not going to work out for you.
these are gameplay necessities. seems to me like a p2p in disguise. the f2p model is supposed to cater to those who choose to pay, not put down those who don't by restricting such fundamental elements of MMOs. Zen shop should be for people who want cool looking mounts, or dyes, or weapon skins, not the bread-and-butter elements of RPGs.
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