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PvP Cleric is a little too much?
empiren
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So I hit 50 a little while back, and I have a question:
Will cleric be less game-breaking for pvp at 60?
Because at the moment, we can just pop Astral Shield and it just facetanks everything. You can tank up to 4+ people, as long as they don't push you out for too long.
When I hit 60 will this be less of a problem?
Will cleric be less game-breaking for pvp at 60?
Because at the moment, we can just pop Astral Shield and it just facetanks everything. You can tank up to 4+ people, as long as they don't push you out for too long.
When I hit 60 will this be less of a problem?
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I'm sorry, in what part is "taking damage" involved in this issue? Its actually the direct opposite of that.
This is called "denying the problem". Just because people have to go to near exploit lengths to beat a T2 dungeon, doesn't mean that it still isn't broken for pvp.
Not to mention the whole problem with this is that it has 100% uptime, huge area, and a ridiculous amount of damage mitigation that can be stacked on top of each other. In pvp, this is just ridiculous, in pve, well...it makes the clerics better tanks than the designated tanking class(but that's really an aggro problem)>
TL:DR I'm tallking about pvp and you think its not broken even though its clearly the best damage reduction skill in the game by miles.(that can STACK)
It is not broken.
You're just overreacting.
If 4 people can't infinitely daze/incapacitate you, they deserve to die a thousand times and lose the match in the most epic way. Just sayin'
I want this class in NW.
2 clerics, how are you gonna stunlock someone and out-do the damage of 60% reduction and heals on both of them?
Not to be just obvious: But its unrealistic to think that this scenario is 2v5, usually they do have other teamates.
Overreacting?
You just described that I needed 4 people to kill one guy.
Right now, Astral Shield doesen't need a nerf, it needs an adjustement. Not allowing it to stack with another Astral Shields is fine. But allowing it to stack with Hallowed Ground and foresight is fine too as they are different skills.
Directly nerfing it will just be conuterproductive for the class itself, which already lacks self healing power and has an immense threat output.
Describing a class only for how it performs in PvP is detrimental to the game's normal development as that also includes PvE.
I want this class in NW.
Yeah well it is a pvp thread, I just assumed you would realize that a cleric would most likely have a teamate.
AS needs to not be so much and not stack.
30% reduction on an area that you can cast/leave is too much. Maybe something like 15%*(or 30% total) and increased heals or something(so there is skill involved). Right now its a drop that essentially lessens the damage to a ridiculous extent given it stacks amongs other reductions and itself.
Unfortunately the clerics heals are iffy in pvp, but that is an entirely different topic. Right now, in pvp this issue is more important. It is not detracts from the skill needed to play the game, it makes every class spec/gear to stop one skill on one class. That is always wrong.
EDIT: THIS IS FOR PVP, NOT PVE
Which doesen't necessarily means another cleric.
Please, do us all a favor and play a cleric on an epic instance. Then, come back and tell us that AS (not stacked with another) should be nerfed cause i can assure you that's the only thing that can save your butt in there.
It's kinda funny to see people making assumptions on something they obviously have no clue about.
I want this class in NW.
I'm just hoping this doesn't go where Rift pvp did while ago, there were so many healers in every pvp match that players decided that healing was OP and it got nerfed. Healing was never the problem but amount of healers was. Just like two clerics in a team in this game makes them pretty hard to take down.
Amen to this!
Also, first time I see people playing DC asking for a nerf of their best spell/mechanic...
AND it is not like you tank 3 players and you kill them all, is it?
I have seen also GF holding spots in PvP for ages, so let us call for a nerf there too? Oh please...
omg.. so knock them out?
It seems to be people who whine are usualy rouges that can not just stand toe to toe and kill people. OMG THEY MOVED! .. gee, I guess I go to another target. Man, he needs to be knocked out. I guess I go for another target....
stupid rouges.
And you mentioned multiple clerics, once, though seemed to expect everyone to assume that's what you meant... Right? Stack a bunch of clerics together on a team and yeah, it's gonna be pretty ridiculous. But the same can be said for almost every class. Ever faced a group of 4-5 TRs? It's not fun... 4-5 CWs? Good luck getting close enough to even tickle them.
At this point it would be stupid for PW to start making big changes like drastically nerfing AS. Wait until more people are 60, there are more organized teams that are actually competent at the game, then see how the balance is among them and adjust.
The difference here is that you don't understand that the tanking people isn't from player skill. In other MMO's when a healer can tank, its either because of a huge gear difference or he knows what he's doing. As far as I've seen, clerics just face-tank in AS. They don't even move.
It becomes more and more a problem the more clerics there are in a match. Stacking AS definitely needs to be fixed(as I see everyon here agreeing on it even).
Why bother rolling GF if a cleric can do your job better and give the entire team protection as well? It almost negates an entire other class.
-Just so you guys know, I'm not a TR. Don't have much intention to play one either. TR's can be dealt with in many other ways so I'm not just talking about how there burst isn't effective or w/e.
What seems to be the problem is that people don't realize this is BETA. Things can CHANGE, and that is what needs to happen.
Proposed Idea:
Nerf AS to 15%
Either give it a healing bonus while in AS or buff the heals themselves too. That way the clerics have to do more while in as and it becomes more involved than drop-face-tank.
It is 40% less healing for self. Not for the entire party.
Which is mainly there so we don't have the same problems with healers we have in wow..
what?
are you ****ing serious?
they would destroy clerics. you obviously don't play clerics.
get to level 60. it's a whole 'nothing ballgame. stop basing PVP off level 50-59.
they also need to remove righteousness before they do anything to nerf cleric healing.
I have been melted in a 1-2 seconds while in my AS from full health with other healing ticking on me by 2-5 enemy just DPSing me down. I have even been Starved of Divine Power by very good players catching me when low on DP. Killed by good players CCing me at the right times or Perma CCing me..
So basically gear up and learn how to play your character , rather than whining on the forums ...
Nerf AS.
Yeah, sure...
It's like this in every game. Someone can't handle a class = NERF.
Any competent PvP'r or PvP team will focus the Cleric first anyway. No amount of healing is gonna save me from getting dunked instantly when focused by the other team. The OP should rethink his strategy or maybe hang out with better PvPers.
Any game where I go unchecked = free win Any game where the other team focus me is another story. So if you are afraid of clerics and the Astral Shield it seems like its only the OP with that problem.
Wow I never new my Passive was only for me!? OMGZ THX FOR THE INFO
Every game I play, they usually cap whatever node the Cleric isn't on.
When you hit 60 come back here and ask again if you still think it's "game breaking"
My 60 CW has absolutely no problem taking out clerics. I am not saying they are easy. You just need to know how each class functions in order to beat it. In fact, a good GF can last a lot longer. Are they breaking the game too?
In any case, PvP in this game is a complete joke. For many that participate, it's just a way to power level, power gear up, doing dailies, all while standing at the spawn.