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gjack6014
Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users Posts: 12 Arc User
To all the players that think 7 hours was enough to bracket and contain the AD exploit:
Gold spammers now own this game.
How do you think the gold / AD spammers got their stock so early in the game? There were complaints in the forums about gold spammers right after open beta began. (They were there earlier but less aggressive) You can now buy AD into the millions in a single purchase.
Want to buy a level 60 10GS character of any class? They are available. (up to 12k GS)
Want to buy gold in increments of 500? Sure you can - and there has not been enough grind time even for bots to create the stock of 300,000 gold bragged about on the Player Auctions sites.
Want to buy a full set of PVP gear from AFK players? It costs $15 a piece.
Ever wonder why that one blue ring is selling for 1.25 million AD? That is a AD transfer for RMT companies.
RMT is a very organized business. They challenge security on games as soon as they hit a test phase where challenges can be organized. As soon as the Neverwinter Gateway went online it was challenged. Not 7 hours - the day it went live. The AD exploit was found and capitalized on.
Free email accounts where created. Mule Characters created. And loot was spread across the game.
Silently.
Silently because it was in the RMT companies best interest to not share. The exploit fully funded the RMT companies in a matter of days. It is not easy to generate millions of AD if you do not spend the time watching the auction house. It can't be done by traditional RMT methods of botting or account theft at this stage of the Neverwinter. It takes a windfall source.
All the above information comes from ONE of the more famous RMT auction sites based in Asia. It works as a middle man between players and sellers. It is robust and long lasting. It is a clearing house for information on security problems in games.
Without a wipe we have to live with a RMT partner in Neverwinter that is now a fully funded partner in the game. Why? Because we rolled back 7 hours to contain the players that found out about the exploit LATE - not the real problem.
Gold spammers now own this game.
How do you think the gold / AD spammers got their stock so early in the game? There were complaints in the forums about gold spammers right after open beta began. (They were there earlier but less aggressive) You can now buy AD into the millions in a single purchase.
Want to buy a level 60 10GS character of any class? They are available. (up to 12k GS)
Want to buy gold in increments of 500? Sure you can - and there has not been enough grind time even for bots to create the stock of 300,000 gold bragged about on the Player Auctions sites.
Want to buy a full set of PVP gear from AFK players? It costs $15 a piece.
Ever wonder why that one blue ring is selling for 1.25 million AD? That is a AD transfer for RMT companies.
RMT is a very organized business. They challenge security on games as soon as they hit a test phase where challenges can be organized. As soon as the Neverwinter Gateway went online it was challenged. Not 7 hours - the day it went live. The AD exploit was found and capitalized on.
Free email accounts where created. Mule Characters created. And loot was spread across the game.
Silently.
Silently because it was in the RMT companies best interest to not share. The exploit fully funded the RMT companies in a matter of days. It is not easy to generate millions of AD if you do not spend the time watching the auction house. It can't be done by traditional RMT methods of botting or account theft at this stage of the Neverwinter. It takes a windfall source.
All the above information comes from ONE of the more famous RMT auction sites based in Asia. It works as a middle man between players and sellers. It is robust and long lasting. It is a clearing house for information on security problems in games.
Without a wipe we have to live with a RMT partner in Neverwinter that is now a fully funded partner in the game. Why? Because we rolled back 7 hours to contain the players that found out about the exploit LATE - not the real problem.
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Is that all your narrow mind comprehended from the op?
What would the gold sellers be selling after a full wipe, genius?
no but would still be nice^^ dont think they should wipe till they actually fix the game tho
I hope you are not serious. If everything was wiped, that would include the RMT AD, characters too.....
That's the kind of stupid we are dealing with here on this issue...he/she exemplified it perfectly.
Haha made me laugh.
http://blog.wowgoldpig.com/2011/05/bots-weren%E2%80%99t-enough-now-it%E2%80%99s-prison-slaves-%E2%80%93-chinese-seller-******bags-level-up-the-shady/
WoW, want full raid gear, or just to be carried in the raid, any raid? You can pay a bunch of gold or real money. They'll carry you, you get gear. You can buy max level characters in current gear, etc. All you have to do is be pretty slow, and have your system infected with malware from the site, but you can get it too.
Even if they are selling the AD and what not cheaper than in game, you are risking much more than paying the minor increase in game.
I've frankly thought anyone who actually buys from those places is daft.
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Without the AH or Exchange there's no way to move AD except for buying AD goods and transferring them direct.
With a clean AH anyone moving large amounts of AD will be obvious and easy to track.
The point of the OP had nothing whatsoever to do with what your or anyone else's opinion of gold buying is.
I don't like your posts or even understand your rationale behind them but that doesn't mean you're going to stop posting any time soon...
What a nice fantasy world you live in. It wouldn't stop the RMT people in the slightest. They would be back in business within a week maybe even less. A wipe would do zero to get rid of them.
Now if Cryptic really is taking the time to go through the game tracking every account that exploited prior to the rollback and then track every transaction from it to the mule accounts and locking them out. That would have a minor effect. Though just like a wipe it would only slow the RMT folk down for about a week.
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Again doing that wouldn't actually get rid of the RMT. It would just remove it for at best a week and they would be back. Like slime and mold RMT is always back. Meh, sad but the truth.
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No thank you, Mr Orwell.
Gold sellers are an issue in any MMO, but I have yet to see credible evidence that anyone has used the AH exploit before yesterday to a meaningful degree (AH prices went down, not up, the exchange rate went consistently down day by day). If individual players managed to make millions in legitimate ways, gold farmers did so too, and much more. Having millions of AD in stock does not necessarily indicate exploiting (at least not in the AH exploit way, which is the only truly concerning one).
Consider, also, that both the AH and exchange are still down. We do not know what Cryptic is currenly doing. They are unlikely to have been sitting idly on their hands today.
No need to fret, you can still enjoy your <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font>.
Yeah but can I still exercise my brain...FREELY?
The RMT will always be involved in every game online,the difference with this situation ,they exploited to get the Gear and AD.They exploited enough gear and AD in hours, that would take them months and months to aquire the normal way.
In WOW you can get all the things people talk about ,but the RMT have to earn every bit of gold and gear,or run you thru the raids for the epic set over and over with you to get all the pieces.Something that in other games takes them a long time to gather, with these exploits they got them in hours.
The economy is ruined in this game, people can say , over time it will level out , i really doubt it.They can do as you say and track every account, but billions have allready been laundered and the RMT will be back in a week unless you erase all of thier exploited AD and gear from the servers.
I am afraid that a wipe is the only way to slow them down,wipe everything,start from scratch,since this is open beta.Return all bought Zen and AD with $$$ since launch of beta.
I know i have invested over 100 hours into this game and you cant put a price on that.But the state this economy is in, is a make it or break it for me,the game has become a joke,when i had such high hopes for it ,ever since i first found out it was in the making years ago.
This is an unproven claim that is based on opinion (and the desire to promote a wipe), and not fact. AH prices and the development of the exchange rate over the course of nearly a month do offer evidence that the AD related exploit may not have been used to any meaningful degree before the time covered by the rollback.
The gear exploits are minor because they did not affect the total sum of AD. It is not hard to get T2 gear, so the market would have been flooded within weeks anyway.
I may have considered sticking around with a total wipe of the severs, but this rollback does nothing but encourage the gold sellers more, and all those mule accounts will still own this currency and the economy will not improve.
Bye
You seem to be an idiot to me. Please stop posting in my forum.
If you'll provide a link to your forums then I'll avoid posting in them, until then I'll keep posting in PWE's Neverwinter forum.
As for what people are saying, if you're so convinced there's no way to rid the game of these RMTer's why are you still playing?