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Full wipe advise for the sake of this game
ro7shadow
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Yes, I know many of you will be terrifed that you lost your lvl 60 characters.
But let's be honest about it, this game had so many economy - wise exploits that after today it is the best time to wipe everything and start with fresh economy.
We had :
Foundry fast levelling
AFK PvP glory farmers = free epic items and more
Dungeone Exploits like pirate boss overkilling = free t2 epic items
GF dmg bug = free T2 T3 items
AD bug = free everything
Now those who have their items sold before the bug leaked to public... I lol'd if this is going to run without any rollback/wipes. Some people could make billions on ah thx to the fact it was open for so long, and what's worse legitimately robbing those that listed their items before the economy crash. If you really think there is a magical way to fix the economy by manualy banning few people you are wrong. Some of those guys were smart enough to play it safe and keep it clean for 2 weeks until now. I'm pretty sure they are much better at bunkering their goods than abusing the exploit. In longterm there is no way that this economy can run without major changes because it shouldn't look like that even after 5 years with thousand of bots running.
Even if you ban half of the populations there will be still like billions of billions of AD floating the market. Ah transactions are just part of the whole mess that happend for all those days, you can buy and do everything with AD since it affects nearly every mechanic in the game.
The best way is to either full wipe this or at last full wipe all the items and currency from the game and turn all the spend zen back to the accounts so the people that paid for the game can still have all their toys.
But let's be honest about it, this game had so many economy - wise exploits that after today it is the best time to wipe everything and start with fresh economy.
We had :
Foundry fast levelling
AFK PvP glory farmers = free epic items and more
Dungeone Exploits like pirate boss overkilling = free t2 epic items
GF dmg bug = free T2 T3 items
AD bug = free everything
Now those who have their items sold before the bug leaked to public... I lol'd if this is going to run without any rollback/wipes. Some people could make billions on ah thx to the fact it was open for so long, and what's worse legitimately robbing those that listed their items before the economy crash. If you really think there is a magical way to fix the economy by manualy banning few people you are wrong. Some of those guys were smart enough to play it safe and keep it clean for 2 weeks until now. I'm pretty sure they are much better at bunkering their goods than abusing the exploit. In longterm there is no way that this economy can run without major changes because it shouldn't look like that even after 5 years with thousand of bots running.
Even if you ban half of the populations there will be still like billions of billions of AD floating the market. Ah transactions are just part of the whole mess that happend for all those days, you can buy and do everything with AD since it affects nearly every mechanic in the game.
The best way is to either full wipe this or at last full wipe all the items and currency from the game and turn all the spend zen back to the accounts so the people that paid for the game can still have all their toys.
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I am a paying customer and I want a full wipe... not wiping it ruins the game as there is no economy..
I never used the auction house, and only tried the foundry once (immediately decided I hated it and never used it again). I did PvP Domination about 15 times, never AFK PvPed once. I don't have any tier sets period, and the only AD I have is from the Founder's pack and Invocation.
I really hope they do some major rollbacks, but at the same time I'm going to think they're idiots if I personally get rolled back. I never did anything even remotely similar to exploiting in this game.
No offence I think you have it backwards,
People will be angry and they will refund no matter what at this point, with wipe all the people that paid for their packs or zen will still have them with all the benefits. And now I'm sorry but it's kind hard to imagine people that sold their zens yesterday to AD or so still playing the game. What's the point of playing if there is no economy at all and everything is basically worthless.
Banning is impossible to implement ppl wil just go get a new free email and open a new account. Personally I'd let them keep their accounts but roll the characters on them back to Lv1....
That simply would not be how it works. Cryptic did a character wipe between closed beta and open beta. During that wipe they refunded all Zen purchases. You would simply start the game over again with all of your zen returned. You would lose nothing except for some time.
Besides, the devs have already stated that they are going to try to fix it with selective character rollbacks and bans. At this point, it does not look like there will be a wipe.
I believe that this is too early for a wipe. If the devs are going to wipe the chars in order to reset the game because of exploits, they need to fix all the exploits first. You don't want to do that more than once, and I believe that there will be additional exploits found that will break the game. Until they have stabilized the game entirely they do not want to even consider a wipe. It may eventually come, but not yet.
In such case I think it is most reasonable thing to do everybody will start fresh and everybody will maintain their spend money (ZEN) on their accounts.
Quote Originally Posted by roents
It's an "open beta" that can't be wiped even in the midst of multiple economy destroying exploits. FUN
The vast majority of the players are not even aware of these issues and even more have not been effected by them. There will be no wipe nor should there be.
You honestly think anyone at PW or Cryptic needs your advice lol?
If the "Wipe" is such an issue than maybe it is time for you and the others who can't let it go to move on.
How they are not affected by something that affects everything ? You have problem with logic, just because you are unaware of something doesn't mean it is not there.
Also leading me to think that a ton of the exploiters are pounding the pavement to save their ill gotten loot.
Quote Originally Posted by roents
It's an "open beta" that can't be wiped even in the midst of multiple economy destroying exploits. FUN
I wholeheartedly agree.
It's frustrating to read the inevitable bragging posts on twitch streams and reddit where expoliters are lol'ing at the fact that their 'mule' accounts are getting perma-banned but their main accounts are, so far, untouched.
EG - Mtgsus: so far only 2 of 10 smurfs I made are banned lulz. If even 1 makes it through Im a rich man.
Wipe plz
T-h-I-s !!!
T-h-I-s !!!
I believe they are working on finding the culprits and will take appropriate actions based on the severity of the offense. This isn't the first time it has happened on a mmo. Everyone freaks out at first then forgetd about it by the weeks end.
EDIT: Those of you thinking a few rollbacks will solve the issue are mistaken. This is a F2P game remember? How many accounts do you think the exploiters/gold sellers/cheaters have that they filtered their ill-gotten-gains through? Sure, there will be a few who used their main account to cheat, but for every one of those, I'd bet there were 5 farmers who had multiple accounts to store all their <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font>. All those multiple accounts are where the problem would come from making the economy broken for a long time to come.
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@omgitzslashgame I see people saying "wipe" -- do you mean like a complete, beginning-of-time wipe? I can guarantee that won't happen.
Saw it myself. This is fantastic news!!! hopefully no rollback either now!
The ones who benefit the most from the wipe are the cheaters. They're already going to get banned but that's no punishment for them. Why? Oh no! Their account got banned so they lose everything on it! Oh, wait. Everyone else got their stuff wiped too. No problem.. new account and.. they're now on the same page as everyone else. Most cheaters want to be on top. That's why they cheat. To maintain an advantage. This gives them a second shot of being on top as everyone else will be equal.
Bans do not permanently stop someone from making accounts. Many people know how to circumvent Hardware, IP, and even other types of bans. It does prevent them from using that character and if they sniff out their alts/main characters they have a significant amount to lose. If they're the ones punished they suffer the most. While everyone still has their items, their gear, and their legitimately earned currency they're back to level 1 in rags.
Stop supporting cheaters.
Fantastic is a relative point of view. As a non-exploiter who doesn't mind starting over (costing me roughly a week's worth of playtime) as an alternative to playing in a game with an economy that will likely be broken for months or longer due to this exploit, I would use a vastly different adjective.
I think Cryptic/PW are in a no-win situation but they chose the cowardly way out and will probably lose more in the long run. But that's only one player's opinion.
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Exploiters would prefer for everyone to be punished via their actions rather than just they themselves suffering for them. An exploiter who knows his ban is imminent would rejoice over everyone having to start over along side himself. So as a non exploiter I am glad to see that they are actually being punished as opposed for the innocent being punished along side them for their actions.
You are pretty much completely wrong in your assessment. The hackers will have long-since laundered their ill-gotten gains to other accounts. No matter how hard the ban-hammering is, a good chunk of that AD will persist in the economy. Without the wipe, they will start new accounts and the currency/gear will find it's way back to them, probably within minutes of the servers being back up. The forensics on following all of the currency to the last AD would probably take weeks if not months so let's assume Cryptic will simply do a hand-wave, a few public bannings, and say everything is okay. But it won't be.
A wipe clears the decks. But since that's not happening, how about a new server where those of us who have no faith in the current server economies can go to at least get one more shot at a fair start. If they mess up again, it won't really matter at that point because most of us will simply move on to another game.