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superrioisk
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I have played a LOT of mmos in my life in a casual and sometimes hardcore manner. This game has very fun mechanics and is enjoyable to play. Here are some points concerning the exploits in the game in comparison to other mmo situations.
1) The famous "this game isn't balanced and exploits are everywhere": Don't roll back, don't wipe. I don't see how you guys feel these small problems break the game, conscious, or reality of you guys. There is absolutely no reason a video game economy should freak you guys out to the point of wanting a reset for insignificant problems. Here are some other mmo situations similar to this that will sooth you mind.
a) Everquest 1: People were exploiting raid mobs come first release. This especially happened with Cazic Thule being slow and being able to be kited by 1 necromancer. Those necromancers made a LOT of money selling the gear. What happened? SOE didn't do anything. Do you know why? Because it is a GAME MECHANIC. And you know what the appeal to the game was? That classes were UNBALANCED for that very reason. The players saw the gear was worthless and people progressing to better gear just bought the cheap Cazic Thule gear to get better gear. This was a natural balancing to the gear progression. You guys feel that everything needs to be fair and all classes need to be the same in order for the game to be fun. I'll get to that point later.
b) Everquest 2: Potions with swashbucklers were exploited to allow them to infinitely do aoe moves and easily down dungeons. Templars were able to do anti-undead spec in Echoes of Faydwer and do more damage than a wizard. What happened? SOE fixed it, but the aftermath was tons of gear on AH being almost worthless. Time passed, more gear came out, and people MOVED ON. Again, you guys want this balanced game where everything is fair and there is no problem solving in order to beat the game. In essence, you want to play this game to not think about anything, but to just sit infront of your computer screens mindless and clicking. This takes all the fun out of video games. The exploits make the game FUN. When the exploits are fixed, you moan a little inside your mind, and MOVE ON.
c) World of Warcraft: Tons of exploits with warlocks and rogues. Remember when it had the nickname World of Roguecraft? What happened? It got fixed, and the game WENT ON. Everyone MOVED ON. World of Warcraft became the top played MMO ever and people somehow are still satisfied about the game. Being one of the easiest MMOs ever,
d) Ultima Online: Don't get me started. Most of you guys do not have the mind or will power to play that game. If you are a veteran, you will know about the endless times you have lost your gear and progress because of a simple mistiming of moves. Tons of exploits. The term "ganking" came from this game. Ganking happens in pvp in this game, and you guys literally CRY over it. Your aspie rage misguides you from the idea that you need to ADAPT AND EVOLVE strategies. Find ways to beat those who are beating you. Take for example 2d fighters. There exists tiers. Those tiers change because people find combinations to beat the existing winning combinations.
e) Dark Age of Camelot: You all know that one of the factions in RvR was almost worthless. All it was was midgard vs. avalon. People still played the third realm because of the overwhelming CHALLENGE you get with the game. You guys don't want challenge. Again, you just want to click click click and expect a result for your click click clicking.
2) AH Crash: The AH crashed because of an exploit. Get over it. All MMO and real life markets have balanced itself out over time. Time is the most powerful force on the internet. Your aspie angst makes you want to rage because everything isn't perfect ALL THE TIME. What do you EXPECT from normal people?! You want them to be GODS? A LOT of games don't have good initial releases. This game IS NOT A DISASTER. Look at Final Fantasy 14 online. That game was <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> when it came out and was WAY worse than this! Remember when Everquest 2 came out? World of Warcraft QUEING to get onto a server?! Come on guys, really, come on. These situations are learning experiences. You have fun experiencing them and looking back and saying "remember when this happened?"
In essence, here are some metaphors if you TLDR.
You all are 9gag.
You are all the cancer that is killing MMOs and made them how they are today. I will never forgive that you ruined my gaming experience past Planes of Power in Everquest.
You all are skyrim players and do not even have the mental capacity to play games like Demon's Souls or Dark Souls.
You complainers are all basement dwellers. People like me who play casually sigh with all the hard work they did over a weekend or even for their entire game experience when wipes and roll backs happen because of your "polls" and aspie rage.
YOU GUYS are killing this game. Cryptic is doing a good job and this game is REALLY fun. Perfect World might be having some difficulties with zen charges, but I am not reporting them to the BBB and trying to **** up their world and make people lose their jobs over my "inconveniences."
"If you don't like it then leave". I am not leaving.
None of you guys will agree with me. I don't care. I support these guys and all you guys want to do is give them a bad day. Try getting a job for once and have a customer give you a bad day after all the hard work you did. Try having a kid and them give you a bad day because they call you a bad parent after all you did for them. Try actually having a bad day, take away your narcissism, and think "what can I do to prevent other people from feeling how I feel right now?" So far, no people past Ultima Online have been able to do this.
Again, you all are the cancer killing MMOs. Stop it.
1) The famous "this game isn't balanced and exploits are everywhere": Don't roll back, don't wipe. I don't see how you guys feel these small problems break the game, conscious, or reality of you guys. There is absolutely no reason a video game economy should freak you guys out to the point of wanting a reset for insignificant problems. Here are some other mmo situations similar to this that will sooth you mind.
a) Everquest 1: People were exploiting raid mobs come first release. This especially happened with Cazic Thule being slow and being able to be kited by 1 necromancer. Those necromancers made a LOT of money selling the gear. What happened? SOE didn't do anything. Do you know why? Because it is a GAME MECHANIC. And you know what the appeal to the game was? That classes were UNBALANCED for that very reason. The players saw the gear was worthless and people progressing to better gear just bought the cheap Cazic Thule gear to get better gear. This was a natural balancing to the gear progression. You guys feel that everything needs to be fair and all classes need to be the same in order for the game to be fun. I'll get to that point later.
b) Everquest 2: Potions with swashbucklers were exploited to allow them to infinitely do aoe moves and easily down dungeons. Templars were able to do anti-undead spec in Echoes of Faydwer and do more damage than a wizard. What happened? SOE fixed it, but the aftermath was tons of gear on AH being almost worthless. Time passed, more gear came out, and people MOVED ON. Again, you guys want this balanced game where everything is fair and there is no problem solving in order to beat the game. In essence, you want to play this game to not think about anything, but to just sit infront of your computer screens mindless and clicking. This takes all the fun out of video games. The exploits make the game FUN. When the exploits are fixed, you moan a little inside your mind, and MOVE ON.
c) World of Warcraft: Tons of exploits with warlocks and rogues. Remember when it had the nickname World of Roguecraft? What happened? It got fixed, and the game WENT ON. Everyone MOVED ON. World of Warcraft became the top played MMO ever and people somehow are still satisfied about the game. Being one of the easiest MMOs ever,
d) Ultima Online: Don't get me started. Most of you guys do not have the mind or will power to play that game. If you are a veteran, you will know about the endless times you have lost your gear and progress because of a simple mistiming of moves. Tons of exploits. The term "ganking" came from this game. Ganking happens in pvp in this game, and you guys literally CRY over it. Your aspie rage misguides you from the idea that you need to ADAPT AND EVOLVE strategies. Find ways to beat those who are beating you. Take for example 2d fighters. There exists tiers. Those tiers change because people find combinations to beat the existing winning combinations.
e) Dark Age of Camelot: You all know that one of the factions in RvR was almost worthless. All it was was midgard vs. avalon. People still played the third realm because of the overwhelming CHALLENGE you get with the game. You guys don't want challenge. Again, you just want to click click click and expect a result for your click click clicking.
2) AH Crash: The AH crashed because of an exploit. Get over it. All MMO and real life markets have balanced itself out over time. Time is the most powerful force on the internet. Your aspie angst makes you want to rage because everything isn't perfect ALL THE TIME. What do you EXPECT from normal people?! You want them to be GODS? A LOT of games don't have good initial releases. This game IS NOT A DISASTER. Look at Final Fantasy 14 online. That game was <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> when it came out and was WAY worse than this! Remember when Everquest 2 came out? World of Warcraft QUEING to get onto a server?! Come on guys, really, come on. These situations are learning experiences. You have fun experiencing them and looking back and saying "remember when this happened?"
In essence, here are some metaphors if you TLDR.
You all are 9gag.
You are all the cancer that is killing MMOs and made them how they are today. I will never forgive that you ruined my gaming experience past Planes of Power in Everquest.
You all are skyrim players and do not even have the mental capacity to play games like Demon's Souls or Dark Souls.
You complainers are all basement dwellers. People like me who play casually sigh with all the hard work they did over a weekend or even for their entire game experience when wipes and roll backs happen because of your "polls" and aspie rage.
YOU GUYS are killing this game. Cryptic is doing a good job and this game is REALLY fun. Perfect World might be having some difficulties with zen charges, but I am not reporting them to the BBB and trying to **** up their world and make people lose their jobs over my "inconveniences."
"If you don't like it then leave". I am not leaving.
None of you guys will agree with me. I don't care. I support these guys and all you guys want to do is give them a bad day. Try getting a job for once and have a customer give you a bad day after all the hard work you did. Try having a kid and them give you a bad day because they call you a bad parent after all you did for them. Try actually having a bad day, take away your narcissism, and think "what can I do to prevent other people from feeling how I feel right now?" So far, no people past Ultima Online have been able to do this.
Again, you all are the cancer killing MMOs. Stop it.
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Frankly, players like the OP are why MMO's have continued to degrade. You don't hold companies accountable. You just tell others that are frustrated or annoyed with bad business practices or lackluster development cycles to suck it up because they'll "fix it eventually."
You would rather stick your head in the dirt and pretend that the problem like the current one didn't already happen in STO, nor did it happen during Closed Beta and was reported by multiple players which were all subsequently ignored.
Bend over and take it? You think adapting and evolving is bending over and taking it? You know evolution exists, right? And it has yielded the best results. No sentient being has survived in this world by complaining to the Planet Earth devs.
You know by treating someone nicely you get better results. By instinct, people don't listen to people who are mean to them. You all are OVERREACTING to these situations. That was my point. Read the title of my post.
Bend over and take it? You think adapting and evolving is bending over and taking it? You know evolution exists, right? And it has yielded the best results. No sentient being has survived in this world by complaining to the Planet Earth devs.
You know by treating someone nicely you get better results. By instinct, people don't listen to people who are mean to them. You all are OVERREACTING to these situations. That was my point. Read the title of my post.
That being said, OP, I agree with you. But it is kinda the nature of humans to freak out over things that are going wrong. In all your examples, and they were very good examples, when the events were occurring, people in those games were freaking out just like this.
But you are right, and in most cases, everything moves on. Some people rage quit the game over it and are bitter, others adapt and carry on.
I plan to be of the latter variety, myself.
Actually, I blame Blizzard for it. "This game's too hard, you have to make it easier, or I'm going to take my ball and go home", or "but my mommy said games were supposed to be fun, and working at being good at my classes shouldn't be required, you need to nerf the classes I can't beat because reasons". And of course, because Blizzard wanted to make trillions of dollars, they caved. I love it when game developers send the inadvertent message of "No, we're not WoW, go play that if you want EZ Mode" by not caving in to the incessant whining about how their cleric can't beat a rogue's dps.
I'd be willing to bet that 3/4 of the people crying about the economy played Elyos in Aion, you know, EZ Mode version of Aion. I still play Asmodian, and have a "hard mode" 1 Star officer killing Elyos while they went around typing "Ked", which is how Asmodians see "bad" when it's typed in Elyos. Yep, I'm bad, but you're dead, so you're worse than bad? I digress, there is no need to wipe the entire server, all they have to do is trace the logs on the accounts they banned, and ban everyone that consistently traded with them. Presto, all fixed. The only reason I can see that people are saying "No, don't ban, just wipe" is that they participated in the exploits.
Bump.
Everyone take a deep breath and chill the F#$K out!
You should, because his single post contained more value than total sum of all your posts in these forums for at least past week.
Cheers, now im going to grab a popcorn and wait for some clever response.
If you can figure one out.
And hey we both like GoT, im just hoping you arent only fan of tv series, but you've read a books
Unless you know
There were too long to read.
Oh! You wanted to whine a bit. Well, carry on.
Nothing to learn here except that he's just another exploiter trying to keep his ill-gotten stuff.
I'm pretty sick of the OP and the other god awful cheaters that try and ruin every game, and then complain its a game mechanic.
Please ban this *******!
It's morons like this that can't think straight - irl they are criminals, stealing **** is not an exploit (even if you get away with it).
Now he's in lawyer up mode.
Honestly, F him. These people suck.
He's prolly the lil kid that came into my dark souls world and got 1 shot anyway....
The scenarios you mentioned under 1) were related to people being able to gain items easily. The problem that happened today is that people were able to create AD in huge amounts from nothing and that drives AH prices up. The more money that is moving around a game economy the higher the AH prices, as a casual gamer this means that you will find it harder to use the AH before you are the one farming end game gear because prices will be much higher. Good luck converting your AD to zen to get some account unlocks because prices will be higher as people have lots of AD available.
We all know do we? Enchanter bomb groups would like a word with you. While DaoC had definite ups and downs with its faction balance, which faction was on top was largely a matter of what server you were on.
Also, none of your examples are F2P cash shop models. So they're pretty moot.
This exploit has been going on since release and the economy is forever broken and can not be fixed. http://www.reddit.com/r/Neverwinter/comments/1eebyi/an_exploiter_claims_to_have_made_almost_six/
Theres a huge difference between some piddly *** rogue who is overpowered and the overall economy of a game that will irrevocably damaged beyond repair.
Character is what a man is in the dark
The AH will balance itself again. Perfect World is paying for it with less people buying zen because of the AH crash. We get a months boost of inflation. Woopty doo?
I have seen these exploits done in these games or heard of them through the forums. I have not used these crazy exploits and am not ruining this game. I did 4 hours of work in dungeons yesterday to get 1 piece of Beacon of Faith armor, if that gives me any merit.
it was ALBION. not avalon.
and for the record, my hibernian nightshade was awesome.
and did you report the exploits as you seen them? You see, a lot of other people did, but nothing was done. That's a huge problem.
Problem solving develops with playing the gimped classes. Problem solving develops ability to mass pull dungeons. Sitting and clicking produces no mental skills and gets you nowhere in life and activates the same portion of your brain as driving a car for 4 hours. You guys like to drive cars, I like to be presented problems and find original ways to solve those problems.
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@omgitzslashgame I see people saying "wipe" -- do you mean like a complete, beginning-of-time wipe? I can guarantee that won't happen.
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Now I understand this thread. It's nothing but an ego-stroke.
Pretty much.