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The End of All Fighters is Coming to Neverwinter
devilwings1337
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With how poorly the GWF has been performing through all open better and now with the GF starting to get abandoned at endgame, with no official response from cryptic in regards to GWF or aggro issues. The fighter classes are doomed.
if nothing is done soon, it's not Cryptic that will kill the fighters off but other players. I have already given up on the GWF, wont even bother with the GF since I see the doom around the corner. And this then it will be the norm to not have fighters in your group end game. (If it is not already)
Sure this may not be enough to completely snuff out the fighter classes. but the Doom is around the corner in the form of the Warlock and Ranger. Cryptic has been known to favor ranged classes way to much in there games. They give them all the numbers of melee classes plus the convenience of range. These two classes together may even be enough to kill the rogue.
It will become groups of Cleric, Cleric, Wizard, Warlock, Ranger as the staple.
We NEED a response from cryptic to give players some confidence in these classes. I'm not even bothering playing any more until I see a concrete statement from Cryptic that they plan to fix these classes and bloody soon too.
if nothing is done soon, it's not Cryptic that will kill the fighters off but other players. I have already given up on the GWF, wont even bother with the GF since I see the doom around the corner. And this then it will be the norm to not have fighters in your group end game. (If it is not already)
Sure this may not be enough to completely snuff out the fighter classes. but the Doom is around the corner in the form of the Warlock and Ranger. Cryptic has been known to favor ranged classes way to much in there games. They give them all the numbers of melee classes plus the convenience of range. These two classes together may even be enough to kill the rogue.
It will become groups of Cleric, Cleric, Wizard, Warlock, Ranger as the staple.
We NEED a response from cryptic to give players some confidence in these classes. I'm not even bothering playing any more until I see a concrete statement from Cryptic that they plan to fix these classes and bloody soon too.
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All i want is a response from a dev acknowledging that how these two classes are right now is what they envisioned for the class to be.
All that remains is be a GF with broken threat or one in a gazillion CW/TR, or an indestructible healbot. None sound particularily fun.
i got full blue gear from AH, good build and still have hard time finishing some of the quests i meet. not even alking about pvp where cw/tr kills me easy as fak
and from reading patch notes no1 is even bothering with some response/sollution.
I believe that devs live in some dream world where all classes are equally used and u can only focus on tunning other issues.
i love how they started nerfing the GWF when the threat issues are still there so we dont know if the GWF is a good dps/offtank or if the GF is a good tank. they never get to fulfill those roles properly. but yet they're nerfing one of them
p.s. NOBODY CARES ABOUT THE GATEWAY! STOP PATCHING IT PLEASE
MAKE THREATENING RUSH A 2-3 SECOND TAUNT THAT STILL MARKS THE SAME WAY.
REMOVE HEALING AGGRO.
in star trek online they let one ship be clearly OP for almost 3/4 of year now.
http://www.f2p.com/exclusive-interview-with-neverwinter-lead-producer-andy-velasquez/
at 7:30 he says they're looking at the GWF, but sadly they seem totally clueless about what's wrong with it:
"When we look at pure data, in terms of leveling speed, in terms of potion usage over time, it seems stricly in line with the other classes and where we want it to be, but the feel isn't coming accross very well"
It's all in our minds guys, GWF are fine.
i see........
every mmo is only about endgame. if u cant do anything at endgame why to even lvl or why u need low potion usage ratio.
dat logic
same goes for potion usage, if this is the stat by which u balance class no wonder there wont be any balance soon
If the rogue does as much or more dmg than you during a lair run, it means he's better at taking boss but also at clearing mobs, because by taking them down so fast, although one by one, that there's much less incoming dmg that has to be tanked by your party.
The hero's arent bad designed, the dungeons are. And i call knocking mobs of ledges abusing the system.
Have to disagree here - the journey toward endgame is not what an mmo is about - at least to me. Exploring and seeing the world interacting with NPCs and building my character. Endgame is where i get to. Its the road that i enjoy. I think that those who jump straight to the end are missing out on so much.
As a GF i do find this a little disconcerting that i can enter a dungeon at lvl50+ and im straight away going to get kicked because my class is weak and i become a liability. Im not the greatest player as it is
The Devs need to understand players will determine the relative use of a party member based on the class, level, and player ability.
It’s a real problem when the player community no longer consider level, gear, and player experience, they kick you strait our due to you class…
Too bad, the class should be a base for any party, give me a break if a fighter is not in a normal D&D 4.0 party you have a real problem, D&D game by players for player, right maybe they need to re-examine that marketing statement because it simply is not true in this case.
Devs - WAKE UP -start tracking how many GWF and GF get kicked out of parties at end game, that is a stat more valuable than consumable usage and leveling speed.
If they do not fix this imbalance you are correct, no one will play this class at endgame or even try to get them their; they are generally out performed by all other classes period...
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Paladin is actually a separate class by itself (with Protecting and Avenging builds). The other two fighter Paragon Paths in the player's handbook that have not been added are the Kensei and Pit Fighter
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Someone mind telling me how to change what I am doing wrong with the Guardian Fighter, because I have only 2.5k~ Power, and I looked at another player and he had 12k......and I have the pvp set and also lvl 60 gear(4 pieces blue) I do not have everything enchanted though, so there's that. I just feel like I'm pretty useless in dungeons currently due to not being able to hold threat, with having all the talents for it and feats(minus the conqueror tier route, went protector). Anyone know someone or anything about what I can do to become worthwhile and an asset?
The tank should be needed in the group. They should prove to be a valuable asset to the game. Not the laughing stock of the end content.
Cleric, Cleric, Rogue, Rogue, CW = win.
The Pally and Druid could Tank/Heal/DPS from Vanilla. Its not something they added later. A shaman cant tank btw good luck doing any of the Heroics or Raids with a shaman trying to impersonate a tank. If you dont know what youre talking about on other games how is it your opinion is really going to matter here. Tanks should be needed as should CC, bosses should be designed around abilities that punish players for not making use of class mechanics, ie, rogues roll, clerics slide, wizard port, gwf dash and gf block. If a gwf or rogue stand in one of the boss primary attacks poof dead gwf or rogue. They need to tune the bosses to be harder not just add more adds in that are going to aggro to your cleric because they are too dumb to put points into the threat reduction talents.
Every successful mmo has true tanks because players play and enjoy playing tanks. Rift which will always hold more users than neverwinter will with the current path they are on. Has true tanks, Clerics, Rogues and Warriors all have tanking souls which you have to have in endgame content. WoW has true tanks which you have to have in endgame content. EQ, EQ2, DAoC all very successful MMOs had true tanking classes that were needed at the end game. Lets look at failed mmos of recent times, SWTOR, the tanking classes werent needed and were a liability later in the game. Failing horribly. TSW, no real tank class in the game and not doing so great on player base, which could be more related to the setting itself. People want to play tanks because they are comfortable with it, they enjoy it and any company looking to make an mmo that is going to neglect the tank player base is going to suffer for it. Its how it is.
If they want to make gf/gwf viable quickly here, reduce TR and CW dmg by 25% and not allow dungeon mobs to be pulled or pushed. So now mobs get to follow the tank, rogues and gwf get to stand and nuke as long as you have a tank that can do his job and a healer that is specced properly for healing. Just because they are a cleric doesnt mean they are or even know how to heal.
You hit the point succinctly. The game has to be balanced around the class mechanics, and from near all accounts so far it doesn't look well balanced. My opinion won't carry too much weight as I have not done anything beyond a few T1 Dungeons as a Guardian Fighter, but I have read around the forums a bit and found a lot of people are like minded as I.
So you are saying you don't require Clerics in your teams then, and you can complete endgame dungeons with just TR?
Or do you actually need Clerics and CW?
Insert "cleric" where "tank" is, and suddenly that statement is completely valid.
Which is why your entire premise fails.
Now how to deal with that change would be pretty simple too. Firstly, make marks not fall off on caster taking damage (this would also make the GWF 15% extra dmg on marked targets talent better), buff the GF heroic feat which makes marks pull extra threat (make them more viable as tanks) and maybe weave a flat threat increase into another heroic feat for both fighters, the one buffing the defence stats maybe, would make them more viable talents over dps ones.
Then there's the GWF unfamous dps issue. They're amazing aoe and with beforementioned changes they'd make decent add tanks. However their singletarget, mainly at-wills just plainly suck, they only have sure strike so you know what I'm talking about. WMS is also a boring ability but it would serve as a good wall between a mint aoe, singletarget or hybrid spec. Since if you want either amazing aoe or single target you'd need the debuff. However atm the choice of singletarget or even less of both with having wicked and sure strike together doesn't exist because of sure strike just being bad.
Buffing sure strike would make it a way more viable class for soloing content and for having another ability that's actually worth using. Making the class more fun etc... One way to do it would be a flat dmg buff, it'd make the class (from what I hear) super strong pvp however. So how about looking at the TR's ranged ability? It increases dmg with every cast and resets once you stop casting. Would be interesting if Sure Strike was a 2 or 3 combo attack with no big slam at the end, however it'd be an neverending stream of attacks, starting as they are now in dmg and would keep increasing by either a % or a flat amount depending on power for every swing. Up to a maximum or... 10x 10% or flat amounts?
just an idea atleast, sorry for the wall of text and all.
P.S. Make the animation for WMS more interesting that just a copy of the first swing in wicked!!!! :P
I mean seriously, whats the point of the tank if two CW and two DC with a rogue do dungeons easier and faster?