Haha, you're so funny ='D... no, I'm jk, you're not.
Just for you know, the planet doesn't revolve around English speaker nations
But hey, people like you thinks that there's only one country in this world...US
A sense of humor is by no means limited to certain nations or continents.
Of course, all of them have a few people utterly devoid of one =P
Why...SO...SERiOuS Shanxtadeu? No need to be Mr Defensive Unhappy Guy =(
It was a joke, sorry to have offended you so, here have a french fry
Honestly though the post was a response to yours sounding Sci-Fi / analytical, like a terminator wrote it. It had nothing to do with what language you speak (english is NOT my native language either.) So maybe you could chill out a little on the bad assumptions and anger yeah?
Yes, it is. But there's methods to subdue spoof masking too.
Which just makes it a form of arms race for masking and running more accounts. PWE would be better off using those resources to test better, fix bugs, and create new content. Not to mention when you play defense (which they would have to) in situations like this you always lose eventually.
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lexthegreatMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero UsersPosts: 0Arc User
The problem is the longer these people have not been banned or items not removed, the longer they have in spreading it through different accounts or something and hiding it and as such would create permanent damage (if not already) to the economy.
So OP ... which murderers got sentenced last week, how about how many police reports were filed in your area for assault ... how about larceny?
What you don't know? So those crappy policemen must be doing nothing but eating donuts rights?
I don't know but one thing is when I go to the store I don't see evidence of murders littering the aisles and I don't see known murderers walking around.
I spend all day reading every thread and letting people know this is BETA.
The problem is the longer these people have not been banned or items not removed, the longer they have in spreading it through different accounts or something and hiding it and as such would create permanent damage (if not already) to the economy.
Please stop using the word permanent. It's not, it never will be unless the server is closed. The worst economic disaster in history was the arguably the great depression, even that wasn't permanent. Permanent means there is no chance of things getting better with time, and that's just not true.
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tek83Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero UsersPosts: 0Arc User
Please stop using the word permanent. It's not, it never will be unless the server is closed. The worst economic disaster in history was the arguably the great depression, even that wasn't permanent. Permanent means there is no chance of things getting better with time, and that's just not true.
You can't compare an economic disaster that happened within 2 weeks to the great depression. Your scale is a bit off.
Please stop using the word permanent. It's not, it never will be unless the server is closed. The worst economic disaster in history was the arguably the great depression, even that wasn't permanent. Permanent means there is no chance of things getting better with time, and that's just not true.
You are right, the effects of this wont be permanent. Or to be more precise it wont have a measurable effect permanently. Who knows how long it will take though, and even then that assumes that other game mechanics don't lead to the same result as the exploit did. Personally I think BoE, RMT and botting will destroy the economy without any help from exploits.
"Optimal next steps" just means "the best thing to do"
= The thing that is most technically feasible, makes the players the happiest, has the highest chance of success, does the best job of maintaining a healthy economy, etc... all to be determined. Soon.
Hell yeah the ban hammer, the roll backs on every exploiter... oh wait.
If you guys need to think about this obvious things it means no one is getting banned right?
At least no one who put money in this game, and this is like a warning:
"Hey exploiters, put some money in the game or be forever banned!"
Please stop using the word permanent. It's not, it never will be unless the server is closed. The worst economic disaster in history was the arguably the great depression, even that wasn't permanent. Permanent means there is no chance of things getting better with time, and that's just not true.
It will not be permanent, but will be long enough to the ESO open beta, so yeah, cya neverwinter was good while it lasted (10 days =/)
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wesgarMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users, SilverstarsPosts: 0Arc User
in a week or two people will forget this incident even happened. that's why i say we should keep this thread moving, this way Mods can't hide from their duties (if they're even investigating, i hope so).
those accounts who exploited deserve a perm ban, and i assume most of them have already transferred their ADs to another account by now, i suggest mods to track down the accounts who received huge amounts of ADs during this week and the next and take some appropriate action. perma ban please n ty.
Neverwinter is already "pay to win", who cares if it's also "exploit to win"? PWE doesn't seem to.
I think it should be apparent to everyone at this point that Neverwinter is not a game built for longevity. It was specifically built to take as much money from players, as fast and as early as possible, before we could all realize that there's nothing of substance to see, here.
Neverwinter is really just another run-of-the-mill gear treadmill, which has been specifically designed to exploit it's cash shop for all it's worth. It's like when huge record labels find a teeny-bopper sensation like Britney Spears. So what if her music was mechanically crafted to top the charts while lacking anything resembling a soul? She made her record label enough money to buy their own country.
-Travail.
Eagles may soar, but weasels don't get sucked into jet engines.
malkavierMember, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 0Arc User
edited May 2013
Yep, such as DNSSec (and a few other tools), which as it gets rolled out to more and more network infrastructure, is designed to not allow any traffic from a spoofed IP or MAC address through. All packets from the fake addresses = dropped.
Odd, it didn't reply with quote properly, anyhow, this is in response to something on page 10.
How Cryptic trolls the entire NWO playerbase: 9200 GS listed for CN, implying anyone who needs more has no skill.
Neverwinter is already "pay to win", who cares if it's also "exploit to win"? PWE doesn't seem to.
...people that were considering paying...its bad for business, you think ppl considering supporting the game are going to drop cash for AD's when exploiting is so rampant? im not going to exploit, but im not going to pay either, and when the next game show up ill move on.
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lollieMember, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 0Arc User
edited May 2013
Haha this game is going down. They have a month for a start (RIFT f2p), then after that the new games will be coming out over next few months.
Yep, such as DNSSec (and a few other tools), which as it gets rolled out to more and more network infrastructure, is designed to not allow any traffic from a spoofed IP or MAC address through. All packets from the fake addresses = dropped.
Odd, it didn't reply with quote properly, anyhow, this is in response to something on page 10.
There are still ways around it, it's an arms race. Defenders make better security tools and hackers find ways thru them. For a game company to join the race would be counter productive to it's main goal of making money by producing a game. Especially to try to limit the accounts that a player can create.
The only people who will get banned are people who probably did it tons of times to abuse it
They will not roll back or remove items because by time they get things settled, the items are already distributed to people who had nothing to do with the incident.
Why don't you guys ever ***** about something worth *****ing over? Boohoo. If people get banned for exploits then they get banned and life goes on. If you didn't do anything then what business is it of yours to rage on forums why no one has gotten banned yet?
This game has many more issues worth spamming over. Broken AH, boss loot disappearing, broken classes, the horrid chat system, players exploiting the ability to mute others, afk farm bots (if you don't believe they exist then LOLROFLLMFAO go back to runescape).
Either way, if anything the prices on certain gear/stones dropped. That's good.. And now irreversible cause legit farmers have matched their prices with the exploit farmers and certain shards which were going 120k AD+ are half that. Good.
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I thought a "Spoof" was an outlaw gangster Smurf
Haha, you're so funny ='D... no, I'm jk, you're not.
Just for you know, the planet doesn't revolve around English speaker nations
But hey, people like you thinks that there's only one country in this world...US
A sense of humor is by no means limited to certain nations or continents.
Of course, all of them have a few people utterly devoid of one =P
Why...SO...SERiOuS Shanxtadeu? No need to be Mr Defensive Unhappy Guy =(
It was a joke, sorry to have offended you so, here have a french fry
Honestly though the post was a response to yours sounding Sci-Fi / analytical, like a terminator wrote it. It had nothing to do with what language you speak (english is NOT my native language either.) So maybe you could chill out a little on the bad assumptions and anger yeah?
Yes, it is. But there's methods to subdue spoof masking too.
Which just makes it a form of arms race for masking and running more accounts. PWE would be better off using those resources to test better, fix bugs, and create new content. Not to mention when you play defense (which they would have to) in situations like this you always lose eventually.
Lol. You sir, are a winrar!
Cheers!
Does it come with a free football phone too?
I'm speaking in general terms. I hardly expect that at this point, but its nice to dream.
not gona happen
Actually I would be very happy if I was wrong and things ended positively, but at this stage I am already cynical enough to not get my hopes up
I don't know but one thing is when I go to the store I don't see evidence of murders littering the aisles and I don't see known murderers walking around.
You can't compare an economic disaster that happened within 2 weeks to the great depression. Your scale is a bit off.
You're right this is infinitely smaller, which makes my point even more true, we don't have decades of damage to recover from.
You are right, the effects of this wont be permanent. Or to be more precise it wont have a measurable effect permanently. Who knows how long it will take though, and even then that assumes that other game mechanics don't lead to the same result as the exploit did. Personally I think BoE, RMT and botting will destroy the economy without any help from exploits.
That would be EA two years running...
Hell yeah the ban hammer, the roll backs on every exploiter... oh wait.
If you guys need to think about this obvious things it means no one is getting banned right?
At least no one who put money in this game, and this is like a warning:
"Hey exploiters, put some money in the game or be forever banned!"
It will not be permanent, but will be long enough to the ESO open beta, so yeah, cya neverwinter was good while it lasted (10 days =/)
Ghak - I DID do that didn't I ... sigh. Back to high school with me.
zWolf / Wesgar
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
those accounts who exploited deserve a perm ban, and i assume most of them have already transferred their ADs to another account by now, i suggest mods to track down the accounts who received huge amounts of ADs during this week and the next and take some appropriate action. perma ban please n ty.
I think it should be apparent to everyone at this point that Neverwinter is not a game built for longevity. It was specifically built to take as much money from players, as fast and as early as possible, before we could all realize that there's nothing of substance to see, here.
Neverwinter is really just another run-of-the-mill gear treadmill, which has been specifically designed to exploit it's cash shop for all it's worth. It's like when huge record labels find a teeny-bopper sensation like Britney Spears. So what if her music was mechanically crafted to top the charts while lacking anything resembling a soul? She made her record label enough money to buy their own country.
-Travail.
I'll support a wipe.
Don't know all the details, but it sounds bad. Hope the people who were exploiting get the banhammer.
Loki < The Illuminati > 60 - Control Wizard
Protocol 60 - Great Weapon Fighter
Odd, it didn't reply with quote properly, anyhow, this is in response to something on page 10.
...people that were considering paying...its bad for business, you think ppl considering supporting the game are going to drop cash for AD's when exploiting is so rampant? im not going to exploit, but im not going to pay either, and when the next game show up ill move on.
There are still ways around it, it's an arms race. Defenders make better security tools and hackers find ways thru them. For a game company to join the race would be counter productive to it's main goal of making money by producing a game. Especially to try to limit the accounts that a player can create.
They will not roll back or remove items because by time they get things settled, the items are already distributed to people who had nothing to do with the incident.
Why don't you guys ever ***** about something worth *****ing over? Boohoo. If people get banned for exploits then they get banned and life goes on. If you didn't do anything then what business is it of yours to rage on forums why no one has gotten banned yet?
This game has many more issues worth spamming over. Broken AH, boss loot disappearing, broken classes, the horrid chat system, players exploiting the ability to mute others, afk farm bots (if you don't believe they exist then LOLROFLLMFAO go back to runescape).
Either way, if anything the prices on certain gear/stones dropped. That's good.. And now irreversible cause legit farmers have matched their prices with the exploit farmers and certain shards which were going 120k AD+ are half that. Good.