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aethercharge
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The best gear in the game is BoE. Rather than earning the gear, you can purchase anything you like for real money. I would love to hear others' thoughts on this matter.
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"Astral Diamond Exchange"
What he means that all the gear that drops in dungeons is BoE. Meaning everything gets dumped on the AH for Astral Diamonds. Seeing you can exchange Zen for diamonds you can quite literally buy a full set of gear with real money.
No but can purchase AD from the store...
Step 1: purchase AD
Step 2: go to the AH
Step 3: scroll down to epic 1337 gearz
step 4: purchase gear
step 5: enchant gear with more AD purchases
Step 6:???
Step 7: own face with your toon has been lvl 60 a whole 15 mins.
As has been said before... some dont consider this to be p2w... personally i equate p2w and buying power to be the same thing. While you might disagree that buying power is p2w, what i think most of us WILL agree on is that making max rank enchants 1% or less success rate, forcing us to buy wards is. With out wards you will never see max rank enchants, and those are stupidly over priced... someone i think said costs around 160 dollars to buy enough wards to enchant every socket of your armor. So basically...
Anyway you swing it because gear is BoE it allows players to buy power, its bad if you ask me and i'm against it...
Sure, if you only do PVP, i'd agree that it's P2W, but this game is not at all PVP focused. You don't win over someone else in PVE. "Player versus Enviroment", hello?
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I agree totally with this. It doesn't hurt my experience in any way, shape or form. Then again, I don't PvP much, but even so, I don't think it would get to me. I'm not adverse to losing.
Oh....so you CANT buy top tiered items from the store, you have to instead buy AD from people and use that to buy the items, which in turn is guilt by association. I understand what you're getting at. Now realize one thing....this is a PWE game, and EVERY PWE game allows for this. I will give you all the benefit of the doubt that you didnt know, and most people dont research games too thuroughly, but as a PWE gamer for about 2 years now, and playing at least 3 of their games, I can attest that EVERY PWE GAME ALLOWS YOU TO BUY IN GAME ITEMS FOR REAL MONEY. I'm not yelling at anyone, I just wanted to make sure that point stood out. Coming to the forums and complaining about it wont change anything. It always has been, and always will be allowed. Its been on their flagship game since Day 1 as far as I know. I dont see their recipe for success changing anytime soon. And yes, all these games also offer PvP where you can buy and save time and thus win sooner.
I understand fully what you're saying here and respect it. However, the fact that other games have gone down this road is not a justification of any kind. We should discuss the merits of this design model independently.
I really have no idea what you're talking about here. Cosmetics are huge business for all games even resembling a "f2p" model. Just look at Dota 2 and Path of Exile - both games are *thriving* on cosmetic-only items.
Well it is a f2p game so they need reasons for people to want to spend zen. If this game was sub based and these items were BOE I would have a different take on the matter but it isn't. Personally, I think a fair compromise would be have the items as BOE but class specific items should only be rolled for need by players of the specific class in question.
From what i know these are just dungeons, maybe Cryptic wants everything to be BoE so people with a lot of AD (players with a lot of Alts, or played a lot) can quicky gear their new character (alts) to join in on the fun right away.
Ex. Instead of doing the tedious WoW dungeon tier gearing slowly, now you can quickly buy it all off AH, to join the legit "top tier" content right off the bat because you can afford the gears.
*Shrugs* just my two cent... that might happen yeah?
I partially agree with you. However, this is a part of the purpose of this thread. Feedback is the name of the game - and if the devs are watching feedback we want them to know that the community desires a BoP tier at the top.
This is true. We should look at this game as a stand alone product. But realistically, why? We dont look at cars by themselves. We look at the manufacturer. We dont look at a computer as a stand alone product, we see who its made by to judge it on its merits and flaws. I cant remember the last time I looked at a new Soda and didnt think of the brand first. So why should we do it with games? This game is Made by cryptic, who has other games that use a similar infrastucture for their gaming currencies. This game is published by PWE, who uses a similar gaming economy. I dont know about everyone else, but 2+2 does not equal Cats.
Sure, but the argument of precedent is based upon merit. If we're saying "this is good because it's been done before," it implies that it was a good thing the first time it happened.
People with spare time like me earn their gear. People that work and have no time buy their gear. it comes down to the same thing.
The problem is there is no pvp balance, there is lag, there are no fun pvp objectives maps, no open pvp, no raid zones to use this gear. This is why this game will never be a great success story. Elder Scrolls Online and Everquest Next are coming and many players will go there anyway. This is just a fun quick filler.
This.
Also I just dinged 60 like 3 minutes ago. I already bought the +5 lvl 60 purple PvP weapon, no problem. My dmg went up by half. I just tested my daily AoE and it killed the dummies in the Trade of Blades headquarters. I'm still like whaaaat? Isn't that a tad too much? Anyway you can get most of ur purples before you even ding 60 if you PvP a lot... so there's no need to buy them. You level a lot as well. The only problem I see is the **** repetitivness of the PvP. Oh, dominion again? Who would have guessed...?
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Its actually quite sad. This is leading to heavy ninja looting from players who participated in the run and earned that gear, just to have it ripped away from them by some ****** who wants to make a profit for himself. Just a matter of time, this loot system will be getting changed as more and more people start complaining about it.
As far as cryptic and PWE are concerned, this is a good way to make money, and successful, otherwise they would not have done it. I dont like it, but then again, this is kinda some PvP things, because as said earlier, in PvE, you dont really win against other players. And honestly, I dont care for PvP in a PvE dominant game.
In otherwords, as always the answer boils down to the obvious and endlessly repeated one
"If you don't like what they're doing, don't expect them to change it when they'd rather shut the servers down and sunset the game than change the monetization, your option is to simply vote with your wallet and/or your feet"
I just think there should be a line at least. Everything shouldn't be BOE. It helps make bad players where you will get a tank with the best gear but not even know how to play. I think having things BOP it means they atleast know strat and earned it.
The other problem is people buy group rez scrolls to down things. So then we have that problem to where bad players are just buying victory. I don't know, at this rate dedicated pve and pvpers wont last long, servers will be left with the minority of rich bad players.
It sucks...I know. But some companies are greedy like that. I dont approve of their tactic either, but if you like the game, you bear with it. Otherwise, you play until you find something else to play. Ignore the dedicated crowd, they dont concern you. They plan to stay here for a few months, if not a few years anyway.
Ok but we are, in part, discussing the value of investing in this game from the point of view of the player. As far as PVE vs PVP - portions of the player base care about both sections of the game. To say "you cant win in PvE" is to make the value assessment that somehow PvP is intrinsically superior to PvE. A significant portion of the player base would disagree with that assertion.
PvP isnt supeior. Its broken and unbalanced, and thats because the game is made and balanced for PvE, not PvP. And honestly, no one players wins in PvE is what I mean, you either win as a team, or lose as a team. In PvP, one team loses, another one wins.
Whole point is, the idea of buying items is more of a lazy mans thing, or a PvP thing. Lazy Man has nothing to do with my game play, and the game wasnt designed for PvP anyway. If lazy people would rather powerlevel to 60, buy all their gear and be godly, let them. Its not ruining my game in any way. If they could do that in something more PvP oriented, I would be concerned. But then again, I prolly wont be playing a PvP dominant game. It breeds my already high contempt for the human race as is.