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layol692k7
Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 0 Arc User
First of all I am not sure where to put this so I will just post it in general.
Who has ever qued for an epic dungen went in and there was 5 dps no tank no healer? I have tried to complete the daily dungen dread vaults for like 3 days with no luck. I think this would be a great idea and make people stay online and play longer.
Make like a role requirement like say in WoW dungen finder there is always a tank a healer and 3 dps. I know it was bad to compare neverwinter with WoW but it is the only comparison I can think of atm.
Who has ever qued for an epic dungen went in and there was 5 dps no tank no healer? I have tried to complete the daily dungen dread vaults for like 3 days with no luck. I think this would be a great idea and make people stay online and play longer.
Make like a role requirement like say in WoW dungen finder there is always a tank a healer and 3 dps. I know it was bad to compare neverwinter with WoW but it is the only comparison I can think of atm.
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I get really frustrated with this since i decided not to pvp unless I decide to roll a rogue or cleric for obvious reasons. but yeah i kind of makes having a que points less and people send you nasty tells when you kick them. and if you kick enough people no one will que in lol
But I see companions are able to take over some of the roles, I've tanked with 3 other ppl having tanking companions and in the end i was only doing damage and feeling useless :P
I wonder if there was some way in the queue mechanic to arrange parties randomly and rely mostly on companions. the tanking one seems to hold threat very well
but then, i am new and i dont know much in the game
The problem with this most companions that i have seen are not smart enough (aI) to move out a boss cleave or aoe spell!
I agree with you. I'm only being more specific about the issue in case someone from cryptic is looking into this and wondering what the exact issue is. The point is the initial grouping works as intended. It's when someone leaves that the role/grouping gets messed up.
I have run quite a few dungeons now. This is what I've seen. When dungeon delves event pops I queue up. I get a group with 57 min or so left on the timer. EVERY SINGLE TIME I get a group that has a healer and/or guardian fighter. If I queue up ten minutes later into the event, this is not the case. I have stayed in groups when we lose a healer/or defender and we always seem to get a control or striker in its place. The group might be initial join for you, but next time it happens ask the other members if they just got into that group. Something tells me they will say 'no.'
Agreed. GWF can be a defender. I just don't know how many of them actually spec into that build. I wonder how the queue system would even take that into effect.
WoW is built around always having at least one tank and one healer while NW is not, and thus not a good example imho. The closest game to NW I can think of in terms of "class roles requirements" was CoH where no specific role was required but in most cases it was a significant advantage.
The bigger issue is that the majority of people tend to go damage dealing builds/classes since in most cases they are perceived to be easier to play. The danger with going back to a forced trinity model for group compositions is that queue times for "DPS" would increase radically while tanks and support (leadership role is more than just healing) will effectively have instant queues. Hopefully this will become better once they start adding in more classes.
Gotcha. I see no problem having a Defender/Striker/Controller/Leadership option.
I'm hoping as we get more classes that this will be less of an issue as well.
The 5 classes right now we have:
One Main Defender
One Main Leader
One Main Striker
Hybrid Controller/Striker
Hybrid Defender/Controller (even though GWF can output a lot of damage as well.)
This issue lies in player tendency and available classes. If there was one or two more Defender/Leaders available, I think that would help. *hint* *hint* Cryptic.
The big problem with leaving it up to the players is that it will be abused. I rather see the content tuned a bit so you can do it with a 5 person DPS team, if they know how to play smart.
Haven't been in a pure DPS team but once was in a group 4 CW and 1 cleric for epic Cragsmire, "only" 4 attempts on the final boss before he went down.
Well only defenders would be able to have that option. So GF and GWF will be able to choose that. You could tag the option to be available based on the number of feats in the paragon tree the GWF spends as well I suppose.
No more than dungens are abused now blowing boss adds off a ledge or not to mention the boss itself!
Personally I think it will do more harm than good if they bring back the trinity model, compared to just tuning the dungeons.
Well I refute the trinity model concept with this game because there's four roles. But I get what you're saying:)
Controller is VERY important in this game...vital actually. I like it that way. Something I wish more games would bring back.
So what most of you are saying when it comes time to que into a dungen solo by yourself and you get a 5 dps or or w/e you would rather sit there and wipe all day that have a proper group with at least one healer and one tank? Not me that is not my idea of fun. because as it stands now you can not invite people into dungens you qued for.
not if the devs made boss and adds where they could not be blowed off the ledge I know cryptic can if blizzard can with thier almost 10 year old game engine This game engine is alot newer and more capable of editing content than engines that are old as my grand parents lol.
There is also another part to the trinity concept that would clash with the leadership role in D&D, all healers are of the leadership role but not all who has leadership as primary role are healers. So if they bring back the trinity concept then they have to make a big decision in choosing leadership or healers for the last slot (we already established tank and controller from original concept).
loving the game to bits, but standing in the Enclave and spamming chat to try to get a group (which may take hours) kinda kills the fun for me. so please please.. figure out something to deal with this.