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Really? Seriously? 10euro for respeccing powers?

mrfalrinthmrfalrinth Member Posts: 124 Bounty Hunter
edited May 2013 in General Discussion (PC)
You do realise that it is a fail microtransaction model right?

Its better to gain 1euro from 90% of the playerbase with a lot of respecialisations (what mmorpg players do a lot in normal conditions), than get 10 euro per respecialisation from 0.1% once in a while...

Just think of what you are doing... Its like giving unpolished, 2nd grade mmorpg with most of its features disabled unless you pay 10 times more than for 1st grade subscription based game.

Fail.
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    urdefmadurdefmad Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 145 Bounty Hunter
    edited May 2013
    as long as the nerds that have nothing better to do with their $ keep feeding PWE, they'll continue this greedy business model
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    startuxstartux Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild Users Posts: 49
    edited May 2013
    Yeah, respec is something which should probably be at least 50% off and ideally have 2 or 3 uses per purchase. I know for a fact I will respec on my CW once she hits 60.

    Respec should open up other paragon paths? Maybe they give a free respec when they release more paragon paths?
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    zefsgrzefsgr Member Posts: 104 Bounty Hunter
    edited May 2013
    An idea would be to get a free respec every 10 levels or when you reach max level. But still after that the price is huge for this purpose. They could also add a % drop chance for respec scrolls, maybe from bosses.
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    blackfire001blackfire001 Member Posts: 29 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    Its PWE. What do you espect? Guild Wars 2?

    PWE is so deep in the F2P grey zone they may as well be P2P.
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    startuxstartux Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild Users Posts: 49
    edited May 2013
    Its PWE. What do you espect? Guild Wars 2?

    PWE is so deep in the F2P grey zone they may as well be P2P.

    GW2 made money upfront from box sales and I'd wager money from the packs hasn't made up for development costs yet.
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    mrfalrinthmrfalrinth Member Posts: 124 Bounty Hunter
    edited May 2013
    Seems like some amateur who have no idea about the concept of MICROtransaction is calling shots in there... And he is so excited about that little money he makes of it, that he is blind for what he would get if game would be enocuraging to keep playing and spending few bucks/euros here and there for something nice....

    Better game = more players.
    Cheaper prices = more payments

    more players + more payments > less players + less, expensive payments.

    Look at Dota and other games that are based on cosmetic only microtransactions - they have solid game, enjoyable by everyone which results in HUGE playerbases, and they are making tones of money. Much more than any amount of limited expensive half-disabled games PW will ever populate with enough players to get even close to competition who do things right.
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    terradraconisterradraconis Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild Users Posts: 17 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    Cool isn't it. They found a way to make money off of people who feel that they just have to respec.

    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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    xermxerm Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    So theres no free spec at 30 that someone mentioned in zone when i asked?
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    mrfalrinthmrfalrinth Member Posts: 124 Bounty Hunter
    edited May 2013
    I downloaded this game knowing its based on microtransactions, and i was looking for something to buy to make my gameplay more enjoyable. Some cool stuff - i was ready to pay monthly sub even tho game leaves a lot to wish for. Now i see their pricing is off this planet, and its like there would be no examples of how to make it right... SO many years microtransactions were evoluating into working, nice systems and yet PW stopped to adapt and learn from mistakes of others?

    Spend 200 euro on 2nd grade mmorpg to enojy it untill you get bored, or dont pay at all and turn into mindless zombie who will work in the game instead of having fun - definition of succesfull microtransaction of an ignorant producer.

    What next? "An awesome COMPLETLY FREE mmorpg! Play it right now!" and then after level 58 call for 100euro payment for unlocking access to login screen? Yeah i bet some % would fall for it for some reason aswell. This is scam, not microtransactions. If you are not going to change it, people will leave.

    How big chunk of your playerbase is from countries that were ****ed up by history some way? In Poland after we were first to fight n.germany when whole world looked the other way communists installed their puppet goverment that lingers to this day and socialism is ****ing up people so much that their median income is around 400euro (more than 70% is being robbed on various taxes). And you expect them to pay for respecialising powers on their character after they tested them cause they had ****ed up illogical tooltips 10euros? A 1/10 of what they have left after paying bills? For a respecialisation powers with missguiding half-baked tooltips?

    This aint a game, its a freaking sociotechnical scam. Scam just 1% of whole playerbase with overpriced nonsense, and get profits?

    Come on, be fair: Post a complete list of each paid, by default disabled game's feature for everyone who attempts to create an account. So they dont waste their time and be left with a bad taste in their mouth when they realise they cant afford the whole "free" game.

    You cant call a game "free" if its fundamental features are paid. Optional things can be paid. And hell make them awesome looking, to distinguish the funders. Hell i will even buy one sometimes to pay for my enjoyment and get extra stuff.

    Or make a "membership" based on subscription that enables everything that is paid. And i will get it. Otherwise, give me whole list of paid stuff so i can decide to play it or quit wasting my time.
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    startuxstartux Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild Users Posts: 49
    edited May 2013
    mrfalrinth wrote: »
    I downloaded this game knowing its based on microtransactions, and i was looking for something to buy to make my gameplay more enjoyable. Some cool stuff - i was ready to pay monthly sub even tho game leaves a lot to wish for. Now i see their pricing is off this planet, and its like there would be no examples of how to make it right... SO many years microtransactions were evoluating into working, nice systems and yet PW stopped to adapt and learn from mistakes of others?

    Spend 200 euro on 2nd grade mmorpg to enojy it untill you get bored, or dont pay at all and turn into mindless zombie who will work in the game instead of having fun - definition of succesfull microtransaction of an ignorant producer.

    What next? "An awesome COMPLETLY FREE mmorpg! Play it right now!" and then after level 58 call for 100euro payment for unlocking access to login screen? This is scam, not microtransactions. If you are not going to change it, people will leave. How big chunk of your playerbase is from countries that were ****ed up by history some way? In Poland after we were first to fight n.germany when whole world looked the other way communists installed their puppet goverment that lingers to this day and socialism is ****ing up people so much that their median income is around 400euro (more than 70% is being robbed on various taxes). And you expect them to pay for respecialising powers on their character after they tested them cause they had ****ed up illogical tooltips 10euros? This aint a game, its a freaking sociotechnical scam. Scam just 1% of whole playerbase with overpriced nonsense, and get profits?

    Please do yourself a favour and step away from the keyboard :). In a free(ish) market people will vote with their wallets Yes Poland got shafted as did Czechoslovakia because no-one wanted to fight after WW1 (other than we know who), but this is a topic for another time and place.
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    mrfalrinthmrfalrinth Member Posts: 124 Bounty Hunter
    edited May 2013
    startux wrote: »
    Please do yourself a favour and step away from the keyboard :). In a free(ish) market people will vote with their wallets Yes Poland got shafted as did Czechoslovakia because no-one wanted to fight after WW1 (other than we know who), but this is a topic for another time and place.

    Yes, but "selling" someone something for free or very low and then asking for high price when the other party realised the stuff is not what the description said is illegal and classified as scam. Free market is not anarchistic market. There are rules you know. The rules are there to ensure that always both parties involved in trade of product or service are satisfied. Fake advertisement and hidden payments are domain of scam artists like big corporations with army of lawyers bending the oversized, socialistic law (that plenty of times negates each others) so much that it becomes its counterpart.

    Its what the drag dealers do. They create in their victims's brains an image of joy and happiness for free, and then BAM! you have to choose pay for more or get yourself a detox.... or just keep suffering.

    Detox in this case is uninstalling the game and never looking back at the immoral dealer.
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    fongadorfongador Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 264 Bounty Hunter
    edited May 2013
    Eh...I don't mind the cost too much although I think they would make more if it was around $5. The thing that bugs me is that at some point you should get one free respec token. Kind of lame that players are locked in unless they spend money considering many have no idea how the powers and feats will work or if they're a good fit for how they play their character. Should be at least one free mulligan for folks imo.
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    mrfalrinthmrfalrinth Member Posts: 124 Bounty Hunter
    edited May 2013
    fongador wrote: »
    Eh...I don't mind the cost too much although I think they would make more if it was around $5. The thing that bugs me is that at some point you should get one free respec token. Kind of lame that players are locked in unless they spend money considering many have no idea how the powers and feats will work or if they're a good fit for how they play their character. Should be at least one free mulligan for folks imo.

    Im starting to think its premeditated, that those powers have such a useless tooltips. First i thought they were made in hurry, but then i saw respec cost ;)
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    nvmbanelingsnvmbanelings Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    mrfalrinth wrote: »
    Im starting to think its premeditated, that those powers have such a useless tooltips. First i thought they were made in hurry, but then i saw respec cost ;)

    no, it standard PWE business.

    if you looked at PWI, ES, FW, etc., you'd see the respec costs (at least when i played) were around the $20 margin. what i think they should do is make skill respecs cost astral diamonds like powers, but, make the character ability scores cost zen... or, give us free dual spec... or let us get a token or two in the level-up boxes.
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    insubstantialinsubstantial Member Posts: 36
    edited May 2013
    If you dont want to pay the $10 bucks you can delete that char and start over for free. Problem solved... not sure what basis anyone has for saying PWE doesn't know what they're doing.

    A person with more time to play who doesn't want to spend cash can just start over whereas a whiny person with a job will pay the $10. Makes sense to me.
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    warpetwarpet Member Posts: 1,969 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    lol this dude didnt even played game just ignore him btw that game braking Respeccing is only worth 1 good epic drop ....
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    mentalise1mentalise1 Member Posts: 24 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    If you dont want to pay the $10 bucks you can delete that char and start over for free. Problem solved... not sure what basis anyone has for saying PWE doesn't know what they're doing.

    A person with more time to play who doesn't want to spend cash can just start over whereas a whiny person with a job will pay the $10. Makes sense to me.

    Don't want to pay for a basic feature? START OVER! You have to kidding me, you rabid fanboy.
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    dacovedacove Member Posts: 29 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    Hopefully they start working on getting powers/feats working how they are supposed to and meant to. Since alot of them don't. In my case, I like my CWs spec on paper, problem is alot of the feats don't work correctly. I don't like wasted feats but either I can ride it out and hope for a fix soon. Or respec and hope the new feats work correctly. However later if/when they do fix the broken feats/powers, then I'll have to respec again. Lose/Lose
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    mutharexmutharex Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    It's 6
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    mutharexmutharex Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    mentalise1 wrote: »
    Don't want to pay for a basic feature? START OVER! You have to kidding me, you rabid fanboy.

    I have a better idea, you go and start over in a completely new game! If you find something completely free...
    God I hate kids
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    mrfalrinthmrfalrinth Member Posts: 124 Bounty Hunter
    edited May 2013
    mutharex wrote: »
    I have a better idea, you go and start over in a completely new game! If you find something completely free...
    God I hate kids

    Nothing is free cause nobody work for free. Honest producers make either subscription or cosmetic, distinguishing options as microtransactions as a way of earning money for their work. Immoral scam artists makes an expensive "free game" you cant play unless you pay amount you get to know when you waste so much time that it feels sorry for you to not to pay. As i said... drag dealers are perfect example. There is a reason why "MICROtransactions" are called that way.

    In before you write "but you dont have to pay":

    Sure, you can as someone suggested start over doing exactly same thing, and then again if tested power is nothing like tooltip said. But then, you run out of character slots so you have to pay, unless you delete the character and start over... like a robot. Where is the "fun" that is as producer want to communicate an integral part of that "free game"?
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    mutharexmutharex Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    mrfalrinth wrote: »
    Nothing is free cause nobody work for free. Honest producers make either subscription or cosmetic, distinguishing options as microtransactions as a way of earning money for their work. Immoral scam artists makes an expensive "free game" you cant play unless you pay amount you get to know when you waste so much time that it feels sorry for you to not to pay. As i said... drag dealers are perfect example. There is a reason why "MICROtransactions" are called that way.

    In before you write "but you dont have to pay":

    Sure, you can as someone suggested start over doing exactly same thing, and then again if tested power is nothing like tooltip said. But then, you run out of character slots so you have to pay.

    But no one is forcing you to play this "scam artis free game", you see? So go play something else that allows you to respec freely 100 times a day. I really don't see the problem. Or better I see it, too many people who don't have the minimal idea of how RL works
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    beldineubeldineu Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 7 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    I have made about half a million AD so far with zero investment in terms of real money. With current Zen prices, I could afford two respecs easily. Not a big deal really.

    Just don't waste your precious diamonds on useless stuff you'll be throwing away in a few levels while you crawl through the quests, do the dailies, etc, and you'll be able to afford it easily enough. There are plenty of perfectly legitimate ways to earn diamonds if you just think about it. Opening up your wallet is far from being necessary.
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    pelarius2046pelarius2046 Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 44
    edited May 2013
    They let you play the entirety of a good-quality MMORPG, for as long as you like, for free - and yet you complain it costs you $10 to respec your character? Really? Seriously?
    Theohelm, Guardian of the Dalelands.
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    orangerascalorangerascal Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    urdefmad wrote: »
    as long as the nerds that have nothing better to do with their $ keep feeding PWE, they'll continue this greedy business model

    These so called "nerds" are paying for the game which allows you to play for free. Soon you'll be complaining that airplanes have 1st class because your fundamental understanding of economics is flawed.
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    mutharexmutharex Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    They let you play the entirety of a good-quality MMORPG, for as long as you like, for free - and yet you complain it costs you $10 to respec your character? Really? Seriously?

    Since when it's 10$? It's 600ZEN, right? That's 6 bucks... Why are people saying 10 bucks? For the rest I agree with you, no one is forcing them to pay or play
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    mutharexmutharex Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    These so called "nerds" are paying for the game which allows you to play for free. Soon you'll be complaining that airplanes have 1st class because your fundamental understanding of economics is flawed.

    I have spent over 100€ in this game and I am going to email PWE, saying that I will not spend nothing till they have removed from the forums these people who spend the day offending paying customers
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    kaasdoekkaasdoek Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    This is one of the topics where no community manager comes saying. Thanks for the feedback..He says in his head, thanks for the money.

    Tbh it is silly. For pve you are forced to spec +% stats to boost your GS significantly.
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    mrfalrinthmrfalrinth Member Posts: 124 Bounty Hunter
    edited May 2013
    and yet you complain it costs you $10 to respec your character?

    You must be sarcastic here. Cause I can almost imagine you asking "and yet you complain that you have to pay 50$ to enter the endgame dungeons?!"
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    isopointisopoint Member Posts: 193 Bounty Hunter
    edited May 2013
    They let you play the entirety of a good-quality MMORPG, for as long as you like, for free - and yet you complain it costs you $10 to respec your character? Really? Seriously?

    Well it's not free then is it? It's a monetization pit that you can potentially be spending a lot on. I'm pretty sure I've respecced more then 10 times on a character in WoW so that's $100. Then consider I'm switching specs constantly and since this game doesn't have dual specs that's also extra money.

    At $15 a month that's $180 a year. I could easily be spending more then subscription with respecs.
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