as long as the nerds that have nothing better to do with their $ keep feeding PWE, they'll continue this greedy business model
Nerds, or people who have spare money that they don't mind spending on a game? Not that I'm a nerd nor something that will most likely spend more than what I have on this game, I believe that if a free game is good enough to keep me playing it they deserve a bit of my money, The joys of actually having a decent job and spare money laying around
Eh...I don't mind the cost too much although I think they would make more if it was around $5. The thing that bugs me is that at some point you should get one free respec token. Kind of lame that players are locked in unless they spend money considering many have no idea how the powers and feats will work or if they're a good fit for how they play their character. Should be at least one free mulligan for folks imo.
In the f2p model based game with microtransactions, retrain or respec features must be free no $10, or $5 or $1.
What type of idiot pay something for a <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> but necesary respec in an free to play game?
Those things are that kills great games like neverwinter. Is something sad.
Personally i prefer pay monthly fee before pay $10 for an stupid respec!!
We can make as many threads as we want, don't think they plan on lowering the prices. Next update will be a new mount, a pig for 30 bucks, and of course a pig with a cute little ribbon for a respective price of 40 dollars.
You do realise that it is a fail microtransaction model right?
Its better to gain 1euro from 90% of the playerbase with a lot of respecialisations (what mmorpg players do a lot in normal conditions), than get 10 euro per respecialisation from 0.1% once in a while...
Just think of what you are doing... Its like giving unpolished, 2nd grade mmorpg with most of its features disabled unless you pay 10 times more than for 1st grade subscription based game.
Fail.
I agree with you but the solution is simple, don't respec. The game is new so if it's that huge of a mistake (which is really doubtful) just reroll and do it better. Tons of info out there already too if people just read some before they build the character. I did a respec that I thought that I really really needed, turns out that with all the required points before picking higher powers or feats my build came out almost exactly the same lol. slight change but not worth a respec at all.
You must be sarcastic here. Cause I can almost imagine you asking "and yet you complain that you have to pay 50$ to enter the endgame dungeons?!"
But it doesn't, that's what I'm saying - you have access to the entire game, all content, as much as you want, for free and you're complaining that you have to pay a small amount of money, to re-spec your character. It's not essential for you to re-spec, as much as you might like to think it is - so if you want to do it, pay.
I imagine most people would only ever need to re-spec once @ 60, if even that - if someone wants to constantly change up their build and don't want to roll alts, who's problem is that?
Seriously though the guy has a point. The prices on things are redic. I mean have you seen the prices on the packs? 700 dollar value my ***!! Its pixels. That's worse then a car payment, and even the "reduced price" isn't cheap. This is exactly why people go to private servers, and you know when this game gets private servers going. If you wanna make some money, make it affordable to a bigger population of the gamers. It's not rocket science!
If you dont want to pay the $10 bucks you can delete that char and start over for free. Problem solved... not sure what basis anyone has for saying PWE doesn't know what they're doing.
A person with more time to play who doesn't want to spend cash can just start over whereas a whiny person with a job will pay the $10. Makes sense to me.
So, PWE games are free to play until you need an respec no
Just dont understand those peopple who deffend PWE business model(P2P) when they borders on the absurd and take advantage of their ignorance
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nomine20Member, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 15Arc User
edited May 2013
I know many will quit because of the amount of farming you have to do unless you get lucky enough to sell some items early on in the AH.
What I believe will happen to the game in 1 month
- most f2ps leave the game, perhaps same amount of new people come in, but the amount keeps decreasing with occasional increase spikes during content updates
- the economy is in chaos. many have gotten to level 60 and are now looking for rare items for professions and a few more epics to complete their item sets. The prices stay the same for materials but the weapons, armor and everything else go down in price.
The most income will be in materials because they are rare to find or can be bought with zen. weapons, armor and other stuff go down in price because everyone at level 60 is farming dungeons for items to sell on AH. Items become hard to sell and there will be hunreds undercutting you in ah very quickly.
- the new and old completionists leave after a month due to mostly maxing everything out as a f2p and noticing the insane prices and price decreases in sellable items. Making profit becomes harder as more people reach max level. PVP is a option to play for a second month, but thats about it.
what would happen if zen was cheaper and wasnt required for things that affect gameplay?
Zen would go down in price quite alot and the AD to zen ratio would stabilize to a good ratio. Making profit would be easier and people would be happy to spend 1-2 extra months on the game as they feel like they are making progress to reach the very end game, instead of making progress to the same level as zen buyers in half a year. It would also prevent people spending hefty amounts of money getting millions of AD (and gear) almost instantly.
Isn't that what you want? people buying more, not LESS - feeling like they make progress, feeling like the prices are fair.. feeling rewarded...
instead of feeling like its mandatory to buy zen to be competitive - having a huge advantage - and feeling bad with all the advantage given to them.
TLDR:
make zen cheaper = stabilize market and add 1 month of extra gameplay, make everyone happy
let it be like its now = insane conversation ratio, bad economy, profit can't be made, respec costs 6 euros or requires you to insanely farm just for 1 character... etc.
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tsariasMember, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 2Arc User
We can make as many threads as we want, don't think they plan on lowering the prices. Next update will be a new mount, a pig for 30 bucks, and of course a pig with a cute little ribbon for a respective price of 40 dollars.
i normally stay out of these conversations but i do tend to agree that the equivelant of $40 worth of zen is a little CRAZY to spend for a mount.
or a neet companion for that matter.
i think they should look back at their very own CHAMPIONS ONLINE for an example of a microtransaction system that works. i've bough multiple items off that game because they're REASONABLY PRICED.
wait wait wait! waaaaaaaaaaaait!
i'm just browsing the forums while my download is finished.
havent gone thru this whole thread, but respeccing in this game costs real money ????
If you dont want to pay the $10 bucks you can delete that char and start over for free. Problem solved... not sure what basis anyone has for saying PWE doesn't know what they're doing.
A person with more time to play who doesn't want to spend cash can just start over whereas a whiny person with a job will pay the $10. Makes sense to me.
omg what type of ignorant community is this? You even know what you're talking about? or how absurd it may sound your comment?
Or its just a Joke...
he means that telling people to start over, as a defense to the zen cost respec token. Is absurd, obscene and insulting and to paraphrase what he said "If you use that excuse, you sound like a rabid fanboy"
"But it doesn't, that's what I'm saying - you have access to the entire game, all content, as much as you want, for free and you're complaining that you have to pay a small amount of money, to re-spec your character. It's not essential for you to re-spec, as much as you might like to think it is - so if you want to do it, pay.
I imagine most people would only ever need to re-spec once @ 60, if even that - if someone wants to constantly change up their build and don't want to roll alts, who's problem is that?"
is this ur first mmo? cause with what ur saying it seems like it. Not essential to re-spec?? are u for real ? the base to build ur class is to test everything and see what works best, and even then it changes accordingly with the situation, another lame fan boy...
They let you play the entirety of a good-quality MMORPG, for as long as you like, for free - and yet you complain it costs you $10 to respec your character? Really? Seriously?
Just so you know, EQ2 is also free to play & has a cash shop, but still provides character respecs in-game, for in-game currency. So, yes, I think it's perfectly reasonable to complain that PWE is charging real money for such basic functionality.
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Not only do we Europeans ( well in my instance British ) get **** latencies in most situations, but we are all forced to pay for stuff in Euro's, the SAME number of Euro's as dollars, which means we are actually paying more than our NA counterparts, whilst we do not even have an EU based main server it seems, as I noticed I lag everywhere except some instances.
For instance the $60 founders pack should be roughly 46 Euro, or 39 british pounds, but instead we have to pay 60 Euros which is about 78 dollars, nearly a quarter more currency value. Why do we have to pay more when we don't even get the luxury of having an all EU based server?. I'm new to the game and right now this is the thing that has pissed me off, as I do like to spend some money on microtransactions. Is the EU playerbase not worth it? because I certainly won't be spending much if I spend any money at all when I'm actually paying alot more than my NA counterparts for the same item(s).
Usually I'd tell you to stop crying about stuff at a price in the Zen shop, as we get -SO- much for free already in PW's F2P MMO's, not only Neverwinter.
That being said however, I do agree 100% with your point. They would most likley make more money, if the price was 30% or even just 50% of what it is today, as respecs in an MMO is one of the most frequently used features. At this price though, many people will buy it via Diamonds instead, reroll a character or even just play on a character they are honestly dissatisfied playing.
In any way, it is counterproductive to have such a vital feature being so expensive.
I'd like to correct you though. It doesn't cost 10 euros. For 10 euros you get 1100, the respec "only" costs 600. They are just smart the way they made the respec cost slightly more than 540 zen, which is what you get for 5 euros.
Anyway, to stay on point. 600zen for a vital feature of any MMO is too much. Personally, if it cost 250, I'd respec like twice a week, whereas the current price forces me to play a character I dislike for an extendet amount of time.
One side note. I'd very much like the main stat roll in character creation to be part of the respec, as it actually plays a vital role in endgame, once you start hitting the diminishing returns on certain stats.
I hope you understand that people are forced to buy zen and put them on sale for you to be able to respec. As zen costs real money, the zen/ad ratio will not eventually get lower but higher due to AD having insanely larger inflation than zen. (basically what I mean is that there will be flowing much more AD's than zen's to the game, and the multiplier is insanely high). The basic cost of zen does not get lower unless the publisher decides to do so, that's why the economy will probably do a back roll and leave all the players shocked.
A good idea would be to make respecs bags and enchants high level+very high CD crafting recipes (like leadership for respecs, tailoring for bags, etc), and only charge real money for cosmetics or if you "want the stuff nao!". At least that would make the crafting system useful, not like the pos it's now.
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jorealMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero UsersPosts: 0Arc User
You do realise that it is a fail microtransaction model right?
Its better to gain 1euro from 90% of the playerbase with a lot of respecialisations (what mmorpg players do a lot in normal conditions), than get 10 euro per respecialisation from 0.1% once in a while...
Just think of what you are doing... Its like giving unpolished, 2nd grade mmorpg with most of its features disabled unless you pay 10 times more than for 1st grade subscription based game.
Fail.
Just because you CAN buy a respec for $10 doesn't mean you HAVE too. You can grind up the AD and get a the respec as well.
Just because you CAN get ZEN with cash and AD with ZEN does NOT mean that AD = Cash. You need to stop thinking that they are taking your cash out of your wallet because they are letting you buy things with AD.
You can EITHER buy respecs with the zen you get from cash OR you can buy it with the ZEN you get from exchanging AD.
AD!=Cash so stop pretending that the AD you earn in game is irrelevant or automatically treated as cash. NO ONE can pull money from your wallet unless YOU want to spend it.
I would already have bought a Founder's Pack and supported Cryptic if they weren't being controlled by the evil, greedy, Chinese owned "Perfect World."
But since they are, I'm just going to play this game till I get bored and pay for nothing.
Cryptic should've just gone indie with Founder's Packs or used Kickstarter to get them off the ground, relying on Perfect World was a bad idea.
In this day and age it's not really necessary to even have a publisher anymore. Look at Warframe, crazy well made indie PVE MMO, supported by the fans, not publishers. With Cryptic's Foundry tool they could even rely on fans to generate content for them instead of just relying purely on their money, but with Perfect World pulling the strings in the background the prices on basic essentials for an MMO is going to insane and I'm sure lots of people will refuse to support Cryptic no matter how well they do just because they're owned by Perfect World.
Look at Torment Tides of Numenera's funding on kickstarter, it's obvious DND fans want a good RPG and will fund it.
Just because you CAN buy a respec for $10 doesn't mean you HAVE too. You can grind up the AD and get a the respec as well.
Just because you CAN get ZEN with cash and AD with ZEN does NOT mean that AD = Cash. You need to stop thinking that they are taking your cash out of your wallet because they are letting you buy things with AD.
You can EITHER buy respecs with the zen you get from cash OR you can buy it with the ZEN you get from exchanging AD.
AD!=Cash so stop pretending that the AD you earn in game is irrelevant or automatically treated as cash. NO ONE can pull money from your wallet unless YOU want to spend it.
I can grind and scalp for a few weeks to get the desired ZEN, from a market that will see AD become more and more useless, or I can reroll and grind for a week or two to get to near enough level 60.
Not sure this is a sign that things are all hunky dory....
The "can" is only relevant, when the "can" is an actual choice, every time I look at that choice, it seems ridiculous.
Yes. Do you think they'll lower prices/change system because a bunch of people whines in the forum calling them scam artists? Or if no one buys the respecs in the cash store? What do you think it's more likely?
You feel proud of being scammed? Or just trolling?
You speak about mature and adult community but, in my opinion you're the first that should mature and respect others opinion or ideas.
Nobody forces me to play or pay, but I think it is appreciated to help PWE makes Neverwinter a better game and community whithouts scams or others inmoral/pathetic practices.
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In the f2p model based game with microtransactions, retrain or respec features must be free no $10, or $5 or $1.
What type of idiot pay something for a <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> but necesary respec in an free to play game?
Those things are that kills great games like neverwinter. Is something sad.
Personally i prefer pay monthly fee before pay $10 for an stupid respec!!
I agree with you but the solution is simple, don't respec. The game is new so if it's that huge of a mistake (which is really doubtful) just reroll and do it better. Tons of info out there already too if people just read some before they build the character. I did a respec that I thought that I really really needed, turns out that with all the required points before picking higher powers or feats my build came out almost exactly the same lol. slight change but not worth a respec at all.
That standard PWE business ideas makes PWE games dead too soon and lose most of the population on their servers.
All thanks to their brilliant ideas like p2p (pay for respec as others)
But it doesn't, that's what I'm saying - you have access to the entire game, all content, as much as you want, for free and you're complaining that you have to pay a small amount of money, to re-spec your character. It's not essential for you to re-spec, as much as you might like to think it is - so if you want to do it, pay.
I imagine most people would only ever need to re-spec once @ 60, if even that - if someone wants to constantly change up their build and don't want to roll alts, who's problem is that?
So, PWE games are free to play until you need an respec no
What I believe will happen to the game in 1 month
- most f2ps leave the game, perhaps same amount of new people come in, but the amount keeps decreasing with occasional increase spikes during content updates
- the economy is in chaos. many have gotten to level 60 and are now looking for rare items for professions and a few more epics to complete their item sets. The prices stay the same for materials but the weapons, armor and everything else go down in price.
The most income will be in materials because they are rare to find or can be bought with zen. weapons, armor and other stuff go down in price because everyone at level 60 is farming dungeons for items to sell on AH. Items become hard to sell and there will be hunreds undercutting you in ah very quickly.
- the new and old completionists leave after a month due to mostly maxing everything out as a f2p and noticing the insane prices and price decreases in sellable items. Making profit becomes harder as more people reach max level. PVP is a option to play for a second month, but thats about it.
what would happen if zen was cheaper and wasnt required for things that affect gameplay?
Zen would go down in price quite alot and the AD to zen ratio would stabilize to a good ratio. Making profit would be easier and people would be happy to spend 1-2 extra months on the game as they feel like they are making progress to reach the very end game, instead of making progress to the same level as zen buyers in half a year. It would also prevent people spending hefty amounts of money getting millions of AD (and gear) almost instantly.
Isn't that what you want? people buying more, not LESS - feeling like they make progress, feeling like the prices are fair.. feeling rewarded...
instead of feeling like its mandatory to buy zen to be competitive - having a huge advantage - and feeling bad with all the advantage given to them.
TLDR:
make zen cheaper = stabilize market and add 1 month of extra gameplay, make everyone happy
let it be like its now = insane conversation ratio, bad economy, profit can't be made, respec costs 6 euros or requires you to insanely farm just for 1 character... etc.
i normally stay out of these conversations but i do tend to agree that the equivelant of $40 worth of zen is a little CRAZY to spend for a mount.
or a neet companion for that matter.
i think they should look back at their very own CHAMPIONS ONLINE for an example of a microtransaction system that works. i've bough multiple items off that game because they're REASONABLY PRICED.
omg what type of ignorant community is this? You even know what you're talking about? or how absurd it may sound your comment?
How many mmorpg are you played in your life for defend something like this.
Or its just a Joke...
i'm just browsing the forums while my download is finished.
havent gone thru this whole thread, but respeccing in this game costs real money ????
brb cancel+shift+delete!
Are you for real ? another idiot fan boy
he means that telling people to start over, as a defense to the zen cost respec token. Is absurd, obscene and insulting and to paraphrase what he said "If you use that excuse, you sound like a rabid fanboy"
I imagine most people would only ever need to re-spec once @ 60, if even that - if someone wants to constantly change up their build and don't want to roll alts, who's problem is that?"
is this ur first mmo? cause with what ur saying it seems like it. Not essential to re-spec?? are u for real ? the base to build ur class is to test everything and see what works best, and even then it changes accordingly with the situation, another lame fan boy...
Just so you know, EQ2 is also free to play & has a cash shop, but still provides character respecs in-game, for in-game currency. So, yes, I think it's perfectly reasonable to complain that PWE is charging real money for such basic functionality.
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For instance the $60 founders pack should be roughly 46 Euro, or 39 british pounds, but instead we have to pay 60 Euros which is about 78 dollars, nearly a quarter more currency value. Why do we have to pay more when we don't even get the luxury of having an all EU based server?. I'm new to the game and right now this is the thing that has pissed me off, as I do like to spend some money on microtransactions. Is the EU playerbase not worth it? because I certainly won't be spending much if I spend any money at all when I'm actually paying alot more than my NA counterparts for the same item(s).
That being said however, I do agree 100% with your point. They would most likley make more money, if the price was 30% or even just 50% of what it is today, as respecs in an MMO is one of the most frequently used features. At this price though, many people will buy it via Diamonds instead, reroll a character or even just play on a character they are honestly dissatisfied playing.
In any way, it is counterproductive to have such a vital feature being so expensive.
I'd like to correct you though. It doesn't cost 10 euros. For 10 euros you get 1100, the respec "only" costs 600. They are just smart the way they made the respec cost slightly more than 540 zen, which is what you get for 5 euros.
Anyway, to stay on point. 600zen for a vital feature of any MMO is too much. Personally, if it cost 250, I'd respec like twice a week, whereas the current price forces me to play a character I dislike for an extendet amount of time.
One side note. I'd very much like the main stat roll in character creation to be part of the respec, as it actually plays a vital role in endgame, once you start hitting the diminishing returns on certain stats.
Just because you CAN buy a respec for $10 doesn't mean you HAVE too. You can grind up the AD and get a the respec as well.
Just because you CAN get ZEN with cash and AD with ZEN does NOT mean that AD = Cash. You need to stop thinking that they are taking your cash out of your wallet because they are letting you buy things with AD.
You can EITHER buy respecs with the zen you get from cash OR you can buy it with the ZEN you get from exchanging AD.
AD!=Cash so stop pretending that the AD you earn in game is irrelevant or automatically treated as cash. NO ONE can pull money from your wallet unless YOU want to spend it.
But since they are, I'm just going to play this game till I get bored and pay for nothing.
Cryptic should've just gone indie with Founder's Packs or used Kickstarter to get them off the ground, relying on Perfect World was a bad idea.
In this day and age it's not really necessary to even have a publisher anymore. Look at Warframe, crazy well made indie PVE MMO, supported by the fans, not publishers. With Cryptic's Foundry tool they could even rely on fans to generate content for them instead of just relying purely on their money, but with Perfect World pulling the strings in the background the prices on basic essentials for an MMO is going to insane and I'm sure lots of people will refuse to support Cryptic no matter how well they do just because they're owned by Perfect World.
Look at Torment Tides of Numenera's funding on kickstarter, it's obvious DND fans want a good RPG and will fund it.
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/inxile/torment-tides-of-numenera?ref=most-funded
Fun 15-20 Minute Heavy Combat Quest with a difficulty slider. Hand crafted environments and encounters.
Code: NW-DSVCX8LD4
Thread URL: http://nw-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?257391-Protect-the-Caravan
And I thought that ignorants and wimps only existed in Spain...this disappointed me more and more.
PD: where is the community manager? great work PWE.
I can grind and scalp for a few weeks to get the desired ZEN, from a market that will see AD become more and more useless, or I can reroll and grind for a week or two to get to near enough level 60.
Not sure this is a sign that things are all hunky dory....
The "can" is only relevant, when the "can" is an actual choice, every time I look at that choice, it seems ridiculous.
You feel proud of being scammed? Or just trolling?
You speak about mature and adult community but, in my opinion you're the first that should mature and respect others opinion or ideas.
Nobody forces me to play or pay, but I think it is appreciated to help PWE makes Neverwinter a better game and community whithouts scams or others inmoral/pathetic practices.