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One Daily quest = 1000AD = 2 ZEN

bejita231bejita231 Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 18 Arc User
edited May 2013 in General Discussion (PC)
Is this some kind of joke? when i need 3000 zen for each of my characters just to have a pet that levels with me and doesnt stop at level 15, not to mention all the bags and things i need to buy? if this isent p2w i dont know what it, no one can realistically farm enough AD to keep up before they add even more new P2W items into the game, just give up with this terrible money grab cash shop before everyone quits this game perfect world
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  • hkiewahkiewa Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 379 Bounty Hunter
    edited May 2013
    bejita231 wrote: »
    Is this some kind of joke? when i need 3000 zen for each of my characters just to have a pet that levels with me and doesnt stop at level 15, not to mention all the bags and things i need to buy? if this isent p2w i dont know what it, no one can realistically farm enough AD to keep up before they add even more new P2W items into the game, just give up with this terrible money grab cash shop before everyone quits this game perfect world

    Currently 400 AD buys 1 Zen and the price on the AD side will continue to drop.
  • jacktantojacktanto Member Posts: 41 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    well you can sell loot on ah for AD, my friend which is a non founder and havent spent a dime on zen started at open beta start and has now 400k AD and is only lvl 39.
  • elyrielleelyrielle Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    I actually felt kind of bad I was still "forced" (to save on consumables) to use the level 15 cleric all the way to 60 over the purple level 30 pet options I had. You also get two bags via questing.

    So I'm not sure what exactly you're paying to 'win' here.
  • imivoimivo Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 1,682 Bounty Hunter
    edited May 2013
    You have been making these kinds of posts for a while. I have T3 companions and I still used the cleric up to level 60 and still pull her out for some solo foundry quests.
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  • rapticorrapticor Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 1,078 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    elyrielle wrote: »
    I actually felt kind of bad I was still "forced" (to save on consumables) to use the level 15 cleric all the way to 60 over the purple level 30 pet options I had. You also get two bags via questing.

    You weren't missing out on anything. At 60 I still use the cleric. The panther isn't all that great and that was at Rank 30.
  • elyrielleelyrielle Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    rapticor wrote: »
    You weren't missing out on anything. At 60 I still use the cleric. The panther isn't all that great and that was at Rank 30.

    Oh I know, that's what I was trying to say. I think the one tank pet on the store is decent but otherwise the level 15 stock cleric is better than anything you'd spend zen on.
  • tremayne3tremayne3 Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 12 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    hkiewa wrote: »
    Currently 400 AD buys 1 Zen and the price on the AD side will continue to drop.

    This. Right now there's a glut of astral diamonds out there because all the founders have piles of the things to throw around. As they get used up and people only earn new ones slowly, they will get more valuable.

    Also - if you don't want to pay anything to play this game, then you're going to have to live with the consequences of that decision. That means making do without the stuff from the cash store... or, if you find the game utterly unplayable without that stuff, don't play the game and go find a different game that is to your liking.
  • muzrub333muzrub333 Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    Yep, they want to make money, that's kind of the point of operating a business. Since many won't spend much if any, they have to charge enough that those who do purchase, produce enough income to keep the bills paid.

    I see you are a Guardian, which means you basically paid box price for the game, now you get to figure out how much you think the game is worth to you, so you can figure out how much to spend on stuff per month. A normal subscription of $15.00 for most games = 1500 Zen. Or, you can earn AD in game, and watch the market, and hopefully sell high, but figure about 300 AD per Zen for an average, which is about 450,000 AD you'll need to earn to equal that $15.00 a month. That's probably more than you can make in a month. So, how much is your time worth? Is it worth a $20.00 Zen card per month so you can focus on playing instead of farming AD?

    Yeah that old out dated business model of monthly subs really doesn't look too bad right now does it? I guess I'm luck, as I just figure I'll spend about $15-$20 per month on anything I really like.
  • tfangeltfangel Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    elyrielle wrote: »
    I actually felt kind of bad I was still "forced" (to save on consumables) to use the level 15 cleric all the way to 60 over the purple level 30 pet options I had..

    Why would you save consumables? That is the only thing gold is for, and makes you a better player knowing to use them. The other companions that get to 30 are also much better when you learn how to avoid damage and use pots. The worst dungeon run i've been in was everyone but me using that stupid cleric, the companions all died in one shot, and the players ended up dead a lot too because they either never learned to use pots or were not good enough players.
  • jorealjoreal Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    bejita231 wrote: »
    Is this some kind of joke? when i need 3000 zen for each of my characters just to have a pet that levels with me and doesnt stop at level 15, not to mention all the bags and things i need to buy? if this isent p2w i dont know what it, no one can realistically farm enough AD to keep up before they add even more new P2W items into the game, just give up with this terrible money grab cash shop before everyone quits this game perfect world

    Yeah and leadership profession can get you 200AD+ per hour per worker and other dailies give you 2-3k/AD each. Not to mention the exchange rate is actually down below 400 now. WAAAHHHH gimme gimme gimme free stuff
  • elyrielleelyrielle Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    tfangel wrote: »
    Why would you save consumables? That is the only thing gold is for, and makes you a better player knowing to use them. The other companions that get to 30 are also much better when you learn how to avoid damage and use pots. The worst dungeon run i've been in was everyone but me using that stupid cleric, the companions all died in one shot, and the players ended up dead a lot too because they either never learned to use pots or were not good enough players.

    Oh I avoided damage just fine, but later in the game it didn't matter how much CC I had slotted as a CW - I was going to get hit even with 3 teleports. It wasn't worth it to me to have to keep chugging potions like an alcoholic, I don't see that as a particular 'better gamer' style of play. It actually felt more cheap than using the healer companion.

    Although that being said, these days I'm actually using a cat anyway for the stat gains, I find them far superior to any of the level 30 pets.
  • wolfzilvawolfzilva Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users Posts: 167
    edited May 2013
    bejita231 wrote: »
    Is this some kind of joke? when i need 3000 zen for each of my characters just to have a pet that levels with me and doesnt stop at level 15, not to mention all the bags and things i need to buy? if this isent p2w i dont know what it, no one can realistically farm enough AD to keep up before they add even more new P2W items into the game, just give up with this terrible money grab cash shop before everyone quits this game perfect world

    lol P2W pve that is the funniest qq i have ever heard.
  • petraabellipetraabelli Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    It's funny watching all the hero of the north tagged players trying to defend the pricing of the game when they got ripped off the worst. You could have spent that 200$/60$ on zen and bought 4x the amount of AD.
  • elyrielleelyrielle Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    petraabelli wrote: »
    It's funny watching all the hero of the north tagged players trying to defend the pricing of the game when they got ripped off the worst. You could have spent that 200$/60$ on zen and bought 4x the amount of AD.

    Yea! It's crazy how I paid all that money and all I got was 2 mil ADs...
  • petraabellipetraabelli Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    elyrielle wrote: »
    Yea! It's crazy how I paid all that money and all I got was 2 mil ADs...

    200$*100Zen/$*410AD/zen = 8.2m AD and if you bought it and held it when it was 500 you would have made 1.8m zen by waiting a week. You could probably still buy a bunch of AD and hold it waiting for the price to go down. But it's all about that spider mount right.
  • elyrielleelyrielle Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    petraabelli wrote: »
    200$*100Zen/$*410AD/zen = 8.2m AD and if you bought it and held it when it was 500 you would have made 1.8m zen by waiting a week. You could probably still buy a bunch of AD and hold it waiting for the price to go down. But it's all about that spider mount right.

    Oh no, it was all about the thing that makes junk items to kick around. Totally worth it.
  • j0mberwakij0mberwaki Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users Posts: 152 Bounty Hunter
    edited May 2013
    DAILY QUEST = not the only nor the best way to make ad.
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  • petraabellipetraabelli Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    j0mberwaki wrote: »
    DAILY QUEST = not the only nor the best way to make ad.

    People keep saying this pretending like selling everything to the people who bought founder packs is the best system ever. In reality this means everyone who isn't buying money is going to be poor till level 60.
  • jorealjoreal Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    petraabelli wrote: »
    200$*100Zen/$*410AD/zen = 8.2m AD and if you bought it and held it when it was 500 you would have made 1.8m zen by waiting a week. You could probably still buy a bunch of AD and hold it waiting for the price to go down. But it's all about that spider mount right.

    No it's all about supporting the game and feeling like they deserve my $200. The stuff I got from it was just perks. You know it doesn't always have to be about stretching that dollar as far as it possibly can go.
  • jorealjoreal Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    petraabelli wrote: »
    People keep saying this pretending like selling everything to the people who bought founder packs is the best system ever. In reality this means everyone who isn't buying money is going to be poor till level 60.

    No there is also the Leadership profession, dailies, invoking, selling items, making foundry content to get tips...lots and lots of ways to get AD.
  • petraabellipetraabelli Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    joreal wrote: »
    No there is also the Leadership profession, dailies, invoking, selling items, making foundry content to get tips...lots and lots of ways to get AD.

    Professions, dailies, and invoking are all pennies with how inflated the AD market is from the founder currency.
  • jorealjoreal Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    petraabelli wrote: »
    Professions, dailies, and invoking are all pennies with how inflated the AD market is from the founder currency.

    That's funny because I'm making AD hand over first with very little work. 28k/day * 5 characters = 350-400 zen/day...pennies it is I guess...or dollars
  • petraabellipetraabelli Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    joreal wrote: »
    That's funny because I'm making AD hand over first with very little work. 28k/day * 5 characters = 350-400 zen/day...pennies it is I guess...or dollars

    Yea, no. You probably bought most of your AD, it's hard to hide the blue title. I'm sure you invested a bunch of money into special profession units and other things. You can keep defending the game all you want tho, it's easy to be blinded when you already sunk a bunch of money into something. Being pay to win doesn't make the game any better.
  • holt3holt3 Member Posts: 333 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    bejita231 wrote: »
    Is this some kind of joke? when i need 3000 zen for each of my characters just to have a pet that levels with me and doesnt stop at level 15, not to mention all the bags and things i need to buy? if this isent p2w i dont know what it, no one can realistically farm enough AD to keep up before they add even more new P2W items into the game, just give up with this terrible money grab cash shop before everyone quits this game perfect world

    Another "Cash Grab" post... suprise, suprise. Do you want them to just PAY YOU to play the game?
  • terradraconisterradraconis Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild Users Posts: 17 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    petraabelli wrote: »
    People keep saying this pretending like selling everything to the people who bought founder packs is the best system ever. In reality this means everyone who isn't buying money is going to be poor till level 60.

    And you keep embracing that fantasy that the only source of AD to enter the economy is from founders. What do you think all the normal folk getting AD do with it. Oh thats right they use the AH, and they spend it.....
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  • chronomancerchronomancer Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 1,223
    edited May 2013
    Actually $200 founder pack includes the spider mount ($40 value), the drow (possibly $15-20 value), 2M AD (5000 zen or $50), panther companion ($30), bag of holding ($5?), 1 respec token ($6), 3 character slots ($9) = $160 in value (maybe $40 for the lvl 60 weapon and the other miscellaneous stuff like the moonstone regalia costume).
  • zebularzebular Member, Neverwinter Moderator, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 15,270 Community Moderator
    edited May 2013
    . . . . . The Astral Diamond economy is a player-driven economy. STO started out the same way, high Zen prices and now look at their prices. It fluctuates between 80-110 Dilithium per Zen. When new store items are released, this creates a demand for Zen and usually is met with increased player-driven prices of Dilithium.
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  • chronomancerchronomancer Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 1,223
    edited May 2013
    I think if it's a true open market then the prices will fluctuate based on how successful the game is. More free players = more demand for AD = higher AD prices, more zen buyers = lower AD prices.
  • themangroththemangroth Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 104 Bounty Hunter
    edited May 2013
    Players who know how to make currency in games are going to continue making currency in games. Most of the players on here complaining about only being able to make 24K AD per day via refining are the type of players will always have nothing regardless of which game they play because they aren't intelligent enough to think out side of the box and come up with creative ways to earn money.

    All the players that know how to make currency, founder or not, are going to continue to have the things that others do not. I started off with the 600K AD, and have only claimed about half of them thus far, but have earned over 2 million AD on top of that. The majority of that is from finding things in the world, or in dungeons and selling it on the AH.

    But if you just foundry power leveled and didn't do any quests or dungeons, and you have no gear or bags or companions (all of which comes from quests) then you are most likely also the type of person that only sees the basic and most obvious way to earn astral diamonds is from the ONE thing that's actually on the inventory UI, and that's refining.

    So I gladly sit on my full complement of green/blue quality crafters, and blue/purple crafting tools, and my 1mil AD cat companion, and all the top notch gear I bought off the auction house. And when I do 4x more damage than you in a dungeon, because I took the time to invest in my gear and knowledge of my class, you will be back here screaming to have my class further nerfed.

    I can't wait for the day all the whiners and complainers simutaneously ragequit this game, so I can actually conduct some buisness using zone chat without having my posts lost in a sea of pay to win QQ

    /end rant
  • chronomancerchronomancer Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 1,223
    edited May 2013
    Maybe the official storyline quest should award a bit of AD too.
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