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TR Scoundrel PvP Build

ararararararagiararararararagi Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 0 Arc User
edited May 2013 in PvE Discussion
New post for this build here: http://nw-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?212802-Scoundrel-Offense-Defense-Build

This one is in the wrong forum. If you have any comments, questions or critique, then go to the new one and post it there.
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  • ararararararagiararararararagi Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    Bumping, getting a lot of views but not really any critique.

    **edit: Or is it so perfect that there is no critique possible? Kappa
  • canishelixcanishelix Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 49
    edited May 2013
    I prefer maxing the saboteur ...
  • ararararararagiararararararagi Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    Yeah but why? It only has 3 feats that are really good, as opposed to the 5 of scoundrel.
  • seleana3seleana3 Member Posts: 5 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    love this build i was in greens befor getting my butt handed to me then i got this build and it all changed i was wrecking and now that i have considerable amount of gear im just having too much fun.
  • skydiversrskydiversr Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    i dont see how good control wizard can lose to u. unles he is really bad
  • ararararararagiararararararagi Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    @SkyDive ...to me specifically? Or to a TR with this build?

    If the former, it's because despite all appearances, I don't have much experience in PvP at all. I am primarily a theorycrafter... not much else.

    If the latter, you're simply wrong. A couple of streamers have been using my build and they're destroying CWs 1v1.
  • iareahealeriareahealer Member Posts: 19 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    You didn't mention at-will abilities? Many people are debating Sly Flourish or Duelists Flurry. Also, does anyone know how to respec powers/talents?
  • ararararararagiararararararagi Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    Added At-Wills.

    You need to buy a retraining token for 600 zen.
  • casia345casia345 Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 58
    edited May 2013
    ararararararagi wrote: »


    Abilities - Go full dex and str, since you'll be getting Disciple of Strength which increase strength dmg bonus.

    Scoundrel has the best PvP feats by far. All of the feats you spec in for this tree are pretty great. (Underhanded Tactics [This gives you 45% extra damage in stealth overall. Ridiculous] Nimble blade gives you a 35% chance when you don't crit to hit 20% more. Mocking Knave is 10% more damage for your at-wills. Action Rush gives a 15% chance to gain 15% of your action points with your encounters, Whirlwind Sneak is just great for when you eventually run out of stealth.


    If you are going scoundrel then its str/cha for sure.
    which of those two is best is up for debate.


    underhanded tactics is not as good as you think.
    It increases your Combat Advantage by 20%. meaning, if you have 20 charisma, your CA is 20% damage buff.
    It increases that 20%, by 20%. So, you have 24% CA. it does NOT give you 40% CA.

    Nimble blade.
    Again the math on this is not all that impressive really. better then nothing.. A pve build aims for 50% crit. granted pvp, and scoundrel, with you focusing on str/cha, lets say you only have 30% crit.
    so, then 35% chance to proc on 70% of your attacks, for 20% damage. 4.9% average damage gain. Not awful.. but not exactly gamechanging either. higher crit % and its a smaller damage gain.
  • iareahealeriareahealer Member Posts: 19 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    I wish we could do a poll for all TR's about what they prefer, Sly Flourish or Duelists Flurry. I know people who prefer DF cos' of the off chance that you get it off, and deal lots of damage, but others, like me (and I'm guessing the OP) prefer Sly Flourish because of its consistency and speed. In my opinion, and it is by no means correct, SF is miles better than DF in terms of overall damage due to the fact that realistically, you will rarely get DF off on squishies (you will get it on tanks and other melee's because they will probably stay and brawl with you) - in which case SF does more damage due to its speed and raw damage.
  • ararararararagiararararararagi Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    casia345 wrote: »
    If you are going scoundrel then its dex/cha for sure.
    which of those two is best is up for debate.


    underhanded tactics is not as good as you think.
    It increases your Combat Advantage by 20%. meaning, if you have 20 charisma, your CA is 20% damage buff.
    It increases that 20%, by 20%. So, you have 24% CA. it does NOT give you 40% CA.

    Nimble blade.
    Again the math on this is not all that impressive really. better then nothing.. A pve build aims for 50% crit. granted pvp, and scoundrel, with you focusing on str/cha, lets say you only have 30% crit.
    so, then 35% chance to proc on 70% of your attacks, for 20% damage. 4.9% average damage gain. Not awful.. but not exactly gamechanging either. higher crit % and its a smaller damage gain.

    I chose Str over Cha because I'd rather have more damage at all times than just in stealth, plus it has synergy with Disciple. Stealth isn't used nearly as often as you think with this build.

    @Nimble blade, that is precisely why I said 35% of the time when you don't crit. That wasn't an overestimation on my part. +5% average damage gain is still pretty good.

    After posting this I realized that about Underhanded but it's still a generally good skill.
  • ararararararagiararararararagi Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    That being said, do you suggest actually changing anything in the build? Besides Str or Cha, that is.
  • casia345casia345 Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 58
    edited May 2013
    ararararararagi wrote: »
    I chose Str over Cha because I'd rather have more damage at all times than just in stealth, plus it has synergy with Disciple. Stealth isn't used nearly as often as you think with this build.

    @Nimble blade, that is precisely why I said 35% of the time when you don't crit. That wasn't an overestimation on my part. +5% average damage gain is still pretty good.

    After posting this I realized that about Underhanded but it's still a generally good skill.

    I mistyped. I meant str/cha for scoundrel. dont know how that happened.
  • sandricsandric Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 38
    edited May 2013
    What stats should I look for gear-wise? I preferred Power until now as you gain much more from It than with crit chance or any other stat.
  • ararararararagiararararararagi Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    The build still relies somewhat on having crit so I'd keep it where it currently is with dex/str.
  • ararararararagiararararararagi Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    @Sandric, I suggest going for power/crit, and once you hit 40-50% crit(your choice) go for armor pen.
  • sandricsandric Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 38
    edited May 2013
    Okay thank you, I'm at 5% right now on lvl39 .. because I only focussed on Power, got like 1600 Power and 500 Crit. Would you recommend me to take every piece of gear I find and which contains crit from now on? Because my crit chance Is so extremely low. Maybe Items with both Crit and Power on It.
  • iareahealeriareahealer Member Posts: 19 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    I'm currently level 38, is there any way I can still go into the Scoundrel tree from this level? I know I've messed up my powers and feats, but until I get a respec token I have to try and make do.
  • ararararararagiararararararagi Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    It depends what your build is atm. You could always make it into a hybrid like my other one @ http://nw-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?205551-TR-Hybrid-Burst-Build
  • sandricsandric Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 38
    edited May 2013
    ararararararagi wrote: »
    It depends what your build is atm. You could always make it into a hybrid like my other one @ http://nw-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?205551-TR-Hybrid-Burst-Build

    Which build is more suited for PvP your HBB or this one?
  • strawbyxstrawbyx Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 43
    edited May 2013
    http://nw-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?210112-OB-lvl60-TR-PvP-Footage&p=2828782#post2828782

    PvP Build

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otdEC4jCCmY
  • iareahealeriareahealer Member Posts: 19 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    I think I'll be able to do it. Luckily I saw this before I was a higher level.
  • ararararararagiararararararagi Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    strawbyx, you're not going to get much popularity by advertising your build on other people's posts.

    If you want views then I suggest improving your build as much as possible and putting more effort into the post.
  • ararararararagiararararararagi Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    sandric wrote: »
    Which build is more suited for PvP your HBB or this one?

    It's completely preference. If you like survivability more but with decent dmg, go with this build.
    If you like to burst and kill people quickly but don't care about survivability much, go with the HBB.

    Overall, I like this one more for competitive PvP as it seems to help the team out more.
  • ararararararagiararararararagi Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    Can an admin or mod move this post to the Thieves Den?
  • catatonickcatatonick Member Posts: 2 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    I am using this and have done pretty good so far. Last game was this:

    CzHDzKd.jpg

    This is at level 19.
  • sandricsandric Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 38
    edited May 2013
    Equipment wise should I only go for crit (Runes, gear) until I got 40-50% (I'm at 7% Crit right now at lvl41) and then go for Power?
  • ararararararagiararararararagi Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    Try to get power/crit mixed if you can. If not, full crit is fine.
  • iareahealeriareahealer Member Posts: 19 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    So generally, the order of item/rune bonuses goes Crit>Power>Armor Pen?
  • ararararararagiararararararagi Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    Crit (Until it is at least around 40 or more) > Power > Armor Pen
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