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analrapist93
Banned Users, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 1 Arc User
I want a class based priority loot drop system! I'm tired of people rolling on my classes gear and stealing it. In addition if you are going to play raids then at least be courteous enough to not roll on other peoples gear if it drops.
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I completely disagree. It's one reason i quit playing WoW seriously. The dungeon finder they have helped a bit, but before the raid finder, which seems to do it better, i would be invited to pug raids and they would set the rules one way at the start. Once the boss was done, before loot could even be given out, boot. If rolls happened, doesn't matter if I won, got booted. All games, ftp or sub, have people like this.
I believe you. I just never had the problems in the games I played EQ, EQ2, LOTRO & DDO before f2p, etc. so I assumed it was a f2p thing. I never played WOW though and maybe it's just gamers are getting more rude as I skipped the past few years. Maybe it's as they dumb the games down and make them appeal more to console gamers if it's not the f2p? or maybe people are just sucking a lot more than they did 5-10 years ago.
You are a good person. You could greed if you want to. This just mean that if there are no "need" then it will randomly give to one of the "greed" selectors and you can do whatever you want with it.
I agree that the loot system should change to one of the following
Option 1
If you are a class that can use an item (which is VERY easy to determine with current weapon/armor choice in NWN) then a "need" option will appear, otherwise you will have "greed" or "pass"
Option 2
Each player has their own loot drop. Personally I don't see this as much of an issue since even high level items are BoE (bind on equip) And even higher level items should be token base (i.e. all other mmo where you can earn tokens and BUY the high level gear)
Bonus Option
All loots should "auto loot" and drop in your inventory (that belongs to you) the others will initiate the roll function.
Please review my campaign and I'll return the favor.
My rule of thumb is to NEED only when it is potentially an upgrade. (So, say, if I have a blue piece of gear I am not going to need on a green version of the same level.)
NEED to me indicates that you are planning to use it on the current character.
If you want it for an alt or just to sell, then that is when you GREED it.
Actually my idea which I think is the fairest I have heard of (and which I hope a Dev will finally take notice of) is the following:
Only classes that can use an item can NEED it, but any item won on a NEED roll becomes bound to character. This way if a great piece of loot drops then anyone wanting to sell it on the AH will have to GREED it while anyone that wants to use it can win with a NEED roll.
Basically if it is an upgrade that you can use, you can need. If it's not, go ahead a greed, as greed just basically means you are going to sell it. You really dont need to pass unless you just dont want it taking up inventory space or something.
But rule of thumb: gonna use it? Need. Not gonna use it? Greed.
I wish more people went with this rule. Unfortunately the general stance right now due to drops being BOE is "my alt NEEDS it or I NEED to sell it for diamonds". I for one hate this approach but so long as the option to need on stuff that isn't usable is there, people will do it. So basically now if my group always rolls need on stuff I do the same....hate doing it but when in Rome...
Yea. We have this issue in TSW since there is no "class" but eventually you can join Guilds (Cabal is they are called there) and like minded people will follow the etiquette.
As long anyone can click "need" to the player's mind (not all players) will be
"I can use for my alt" = need (this suppose to be greed)
"I can sell it cause I need AD" = need (this is suppose to be greed)
"It is an upgrade" = need
"it is a slight upgrade" = need (this one is debatable since some player may need it more, if you are considerate, then you may pass if a person in your team needs it more = a larger upgrade than for you)
Please review my campaign and I'll return the favor.
I played TSW for a while and found group loot etiquette to be a lot better than here, that being said the game has been around a lot longer obviously. I only hope that come higher end dungeons many of the "lolol I need on everything" people have given up or maybe even learned how not to ninja.
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Really...when loot drops (coins or other) I pick up whatever is near me. Sometimes a passerby helps with a combat I started...then I don't know what to pick up. Other times I help someone who appears to be struggling in combat...should I not pick up any loot? I don't even know what is proper manners here.
Note: I play Guild Wars 2 where this is not an issue. Every drop is assigned.
I don't mind reading about how loot drops work but I don't know where to look.
Thanks for any help...I want to be a friendly player.
Also to add, I PRAY for a vote kick system if they are not going to implement this, meh i want a vote kick system regardless.
I rarely came across this in WoW, but then I stopped playing three years ago too. When I first started though - before Burning Crusade - constantly rolling need on everything in a dungeon or what have you would get you booted from the group and usually blacklisted if you continued to do it. This was consistent across the many servers I played too. It's just group etiquette...and the few times I have done PUGs in Nevertwinter, no one seems to have it. Even when I played other MMORPGs; Rift, Tera, etc. this has been the proper etiquette for groups.
But instead here we are with the worst face of capitalism staring back at us. Not that I am against market economics but lets not pretend that the market solution are anything less than savage. In this case, working with what you have, everyone needs to hit “need” all the time. Sure you won’t get your stuff with any regularity but you will get the stuff of others and be able to sell it back to them. Eventually the market says you will be able to buy the stuff you should have gotten as drops.
This policy should be stated at the beginning of any group. “Roll need on all.” That way everyone has the same chance. It’s the fairest way to do it both statistically and rationally.
I suppose you could rely on human decency but unless the person in question is actually within easy choking distance, I would not count on that working out.
Of note, the “roll need on all” protocol serves to effectively nullify fully half the looting options that the devs worked to build into the game.
Working as intended? No? Huh, might want to look into that. Whenever is fine. I’ll just be auctioning off my party's loot. Keep your eyes on the AH, it goes fast.
agree need on all is 'only' fair system
So there i stand busting my a$$ off for nothing.
The game will not be enjoyable to play with a loot system so unfair.