PSA: Avoid using Foundry experience maps

cashcharac · May 2013

Just a heads up - If you create them, you will eventually get banned. Created a ghetto one yesterday (bunch of ogres boxed in a bunch of traps), and leveled to 60 in a few hours; logged on today to a temporarily suspended account. Not saying I didn't deserve it, but as there's no warnings in-game, I would suggest that you avoid creating these maps.

Edit: Not a whine post; exploiting is bad. Just helping others to avoid my fails.

avean · May 2013

should of hid said room behind a secret door with a password that nobody would know in a area nobody would expect, and have the rest of the mission just plain suck so nobody would play it or notice. Then you could only be banned if they did so due to lvling speed not complaints on the forums.

cashcharac · May 2013

avean wrote: »

should of hid said room behind a secret door with a password that nobody would know in a area nobody would expect, and have the rest of the mission just plain suck so nobody would play it or notice. Then you could only be banned if they did so due to lvling speed not complaints on the forums.

Haha hadn't thought of that.

syrum · May 2013

Personally, I thought those XP foundries were hilarious. However, I blame Cryptic/PWI for enabling such stacking to make these possible. They should hire you to find things like this and make sure they aren't in the game. *nod*

All in all, having a level 60 through questing alone, I'm dreading leveling my second toon through the exact same quests/zones. The foundries I messed with a bit yesterday gave some good entertainment and broke up the repetition of leveling again.

jdnyc · May 2013

syrum wrote: »

Personally, I thought those XP foundries were hilarious. However, I blame Cryptic/PWI for enabling such stacking to make these possible. They should hire you to find things like this and make sure they aren't in the game. *nod*

All in all, having a level 60 through questing alone, I'm dreading leveling my second toon through the exact same quests/zones. The foundries I messed with a bit yesterday gave some good entertainment and broke up the repetition of leveling again.

And what should they do exactly? No really. The foundry is limited as it is BECAUSE of the concern of exploits. There's no accounting for human behavior. People are responsible for their own behavior. Cryptic/PWE doesn't need to be your parent.

lilura138 · May 2013

cashcharac wrote: »

Just a heads up - If you create them, you will eventually get banned. Created a ghetto one yesterday (bunch of ogres boxed in a bunch of traps), and leveled to 60 in a few hours; logged on today to a temporarily suspended account. Not saying I didn't deserve it, but as there's no warnings in-game, I would suggest that you avoid creating these maps.

Edit: Not a whine post; exploiting is bad. Just helping others to avoid my fails.

Did you get a email saying that your being Temp Banned?

rapticor · May 2013

Temporarily suspended != banned. Unless in PW terms temporary means forever.

elessym · May 2013

Should have been permanently banned.

nemesis788450 · May 2013

you dont needed a warning...i think its called common sense

direcrow · May 2013

Anyone with common sense can "avoid your fails".

syrum · May 2013

jdnyc wrote: »

And what should they do exactly? No really. The foundry is limited as it is BECAUSE of the concern of exploits. There's no accounting for human behavior. People are responsible for their own behavior. Cryptic/PWE doesn't need to be your parent.

Yes, people are responsible for their own behavior. However, society these days does whatever it can to find a shortcut. Knowing this, how do they permit coding that allows for stacking like some of these foundries had? I couldn't stack items in houses in EQ2 like you can in a foundry. If anything, Cryptic/PWI should smack their foreheads and fix the space coding and move on. The system was abused, fix it and let those who abused it know it wasn't intended, slap them on the wrist and make sure to notify players of their rules regarding this type of thing.

I don't support exploiters, I really hate when people exploit in games. I did check out a few of these XP foundries, got a good laugh and moved on.

ambisinisterr · May 2013

syrum wrote: »

Yes, people are responsible for their own behavior. However, society these days does whatever it can to find a shortcut. Knowing this, how do they permit coding that allows for stacking like some of these foundries had?

There were limitations on how many mobs could be placed in a given area.
The exploit was getting around the limitations.

Where there is a will there is a way.

kaasdoek · May 2013

temp ban? means still worth it.

the1tigglet · May 2013

Never understood the drive for people who want to level to max as fast as possible all they are doing is harming themselves imo. They get there and then there's very little to do even with the foundry in place and then we hear those types come on these forums complaining because they are bored. Why do people put themselves thru that?

jdnyc · May 2013

syrum wrote: »

Yes, people are responsible for their own behavior. However, society these days does whatever it can to find a shortcut. Knowing this, how do they permit coding that allows for stacking like some of these foundries had? I couldn't stack items in houses in EQ2 like you can in a foundry. If anything, Cryptic/PWI should smack their foreheads and fix the space coding and move on. The system was abused, fix it and let those who abused it know it wasn't intended, slap them on the wrist and make sure to notify players of their rules regarding this type of thing.

I don't support exploiters, I really hate when people exploit in games. I did check out a few of these XP foundries, got a good laugh and moved on.

I know a lot about the Foundry...a lot. I have no idea what specifically about stacking you're talking about.

I won't say what they're doing exactly, but what they are doing has nothing to do with 'stacking.' If anything, they're chaining encounters. Which WHEN USED PROPERLY, is actually really awesome feature. Plenty of quests have used it to make challenging pseudo boss fights for instance.

People will exploit anything they can. They will justify it by saying that Cryptic/PWE should prevent them from doing so. It's a BS argument. Accountability lies with the ones that create the exploit and those that abuse it. That's it.

gargaironborn · May 2013

Just got banned for running this foundry once (without even knowing what the actual foundry is)! So really dont run anything suspicious if you dont want your account banned!

doowie1982 · May 2013

gargaironborn wrote: »

Just got banned for running this foundry once (without even knowing what the actual foundry is)! So really dont run anything suspicious if you dont want your account banned! And now I have to deal with customer service :-(

uhuh of course.

spacejew · May 2013

There's a good incentive to grind to max level so that you can run end-game dungeons and charge a boat load of AD for gear in order to convert it into Zen. There is literally a monetary reason to exploit in Neverwinter.

Hard to blame people for this type of behavior. After all, it's 'in the game' as-is even if it's unintended. Guessing it isn't 'in the game' now though, which is also fine. It's a big game of tug of war, and I somehow doubt they'll ever get rid of power level maps. If anyone remembers the COH Architect you'll know it was a constant battle between power levelers and the moderators.

Giving someone a temp ban for providing free troubleshooting and game testing in an open beta game is pretty insane though. Unless, of course, 'open beta' is 100% code for 'launch' and simply a code word to defend things like unstable servers...couldn't be that though yeah?

lilura138 · May 2013

gargaironborn wrote: »

Just got banned for running this foundry once (without even knowing what the actual foundry is)! So really dont run anything suspicious if you dont want your account banned!

You got a 3d ban?

vertisone · May 2013

my entire guild is lvl 60 with multiple characters each. you won't get banned as long as the mobs are able to attack you. don't let OP discourage you from getting to endgame asap.

mconosrep · May 2013

spacejew wrote: »

Giving someone a temp ban for providing free troubleshooting and game testing in an open beta game is pretty insane though. Unless, of course, 'open beta' is 100% code for 'launch' and simply a code word to defend things like unstable servers...couldn't be that though yeah?

Good point. Actually from a legal standpoint anyone banned who has paid money probably has a real case here for damages given that PWE refers to it as Open Beta and not a proper launch. This has the potential to go really pear-shaped assuming anyone banned had the gall to call PWE out on it.

kalwrath · May 2013

mconosrep wrote: »

Good point. Actually from a legal standpoint anyone banned who has paid money probably has a real case here for damages given that PWE refers to it as Open Beta and not a proper launch. This has the potential to go really pear-shaped assuming anyone banned had the gall to call PWE out on it.

Well PWE has the gall to call this an Open Beta

gargaironborn · May 2013

Not sure, it just says banned. No email nothing, not even an forceful disconnect. I have even died in that foundry a few times since i was testing with how many ogres can i ron around, kiting and damaging them. I wont post any more personal replies to this topic since I will probably be banned from this acc as well (and leaving the game forever)

luciferstwin · May 2013

Would be nice to know how long we are suspended for... got no email or anything

Pretty ****ed up that they suspend us for using something that they put into the game if you ask me.

luciferstwin · May 2013

ambisinisterr wrote: »

There were limitations on how many mobs could be placed in a given area.
The exploit was getting around the limitations.

Where there is a will there is a way.

Thats not true. I made a map, using no exploit or anything, just had a bunch of mobs.. When I reached the error message saying non more could be spawned.. I stopped an I am still suspended.

My map was just a big empty field with 100 hulks in it. You could be attacked by the hulks, and you could attack them. There was nothing that "exploited" the game.. was just a huge kite fest.

spacejew · May 2013

As a thank you to the intrepid testers that discovered this exploit they should be able to keep all their stuff accumulated through their exhaustive game testing. Especially since it's beta, right?

I mean, the F2P people are providing a service here for no payment. That's the argument for all the cash shop items being in the game, right? Because Cryptic is providing a free game so they should be able to charge insane amounts for circumventing their many cash-walls.

Oh wait, sorry. This isn't an open beta, it's a launch. Saying you should be able to take legal action is pretty nuts, but banning people for essentially testing your game for you when it's specifically called a beta is equally silly. Worst case people should have their level reverted or currency removed. Bans are the worst possible solution to this problem that was created through inadequate testing of the Foundry in the first place.

elessym · May 2013

spacejew wrote: »

As a thank you to the intrepid testers that discovered this exploit they should be able to keep all their stuff accumulated through their exhaustive game testing. Especially since it's beta, right?

I mean, the F2P people are providing a service here for no payment. That's the argument for all the cash shop items being in the game, right? Because Cryptic is providing a free game so they should be able to charge insane amounts for circumventing their many cash-walls.

Oh wait, sorry. This isn't an open beta, it's a launch. Saying you should be able to take legal action is pretty nuts, but banning people for essentially testing your game for you when it's specifically called a beta is equally silly. Worst case people should have their level reverted or currency removed. Bans are the worst possible solution to this problem that was created through inadequate testing of the Foundry in the first place.

Inadequate testing of the Foundry? You could test the Foundry from here to the end of time and you'd never get all the exploits out of it. It is an exploit generating machine - the only solution is to ban early and ban often.

None of that temporary suspension - that's not a deterrent

mconosrep · May 2013

luciferstwin wrote: »

Thats not true. I made a map, using no exploit or anything, just had a bunch of mobs.. When I reached the error message saying non more could be spawned.. I stopped an I am still suspended.

My map was just a big empty field with 100 hulks in it. You could be attacked by the hulks, and you could attack them. There was nothing that "exploited" the game.. was just a huge kite fest.

Personally I don't actually see the problem with this type of quest - in AD&D we had pure Hack & Slash campaigns. Not my cup of tea as it sounds, to put it mildly, mind-numbingly boring, but if there is no opportunity to kill massed mobs in perfect safety which seems to be have been the exploit then a ban is a serious over-reaction.

luciferstwin · May 2013

mconosrep wrote: »

Personally I don't actually see the problem with this type of quest - in AD&D we had pure Hack & Slash campaigns. Not my cup of tea as it sounds, to put it mildly, mind-numbingly boring, but if there is no opportunity to kill massed mobs in perfect safety which seems to be have been the exploit then a ban is a serious over-reaction.

Exactly, I dont see why we should get in trouble for it. I would do the same thing out in the real world if there was more mobs then 2-3 per group. Thats what an AoE class is good for... to AoE... Just pretty stupid that we get punished for using something they put in the game for us to use.

elessym · May 2013

luciferstwin wrote: »

Exactly, I dont see why we should get in trouble for it. I would do the same thing out in the real world if there was more mobs then 2-3 per group. Thats what an AoE class is good for... to AoE... Just pretty stupid that we get punished for using something they put in the game for us to use.

And this is why AoE's get nerfed to hit "X targets max."

So when it happens, blame this guy.

lilura138 · May 2013

So people are logging in and just says, "Banned". No email. And you haven't contact PWE yet?

PSA: Avoid using Foundry experience maps

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