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steampunky
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So I decided to try an experiment with my control wizard. I have the Guardian pack but I didn't withdraw a single diamond from the bank (on her) and threw away my adventurer's pack and Graycloak's legacy on her.
And then I ran missions, storyline and foundry, hit up skirmishes and dungeons, but I didn't enter into PvP because it's just not my cup of tea. I traded in my astral diamonds for Zen and bought keys for the lockboxes I could afford and sold the rest on the market.
Then I got a Nightmare. And then I sold that nightmare on the market for 2 million astral diamonds. I used another 450,000 astral diamonds on fruitless keys and lockboxes until I won another one. Which I then sold for 1.8 million astral diamonds.
My character is, currently, level 39. And I had 3.3 million astral diamonds before I started shifting them over to other characters. Though, to be fair, I also got the Astral Diamond Statue/Relic quest twice out of the lockboxes I opened, so that was another 80,000 AD I didn't have to actually earn/
So how do you avoid spending money or investing huge amounts of time and make some quick AD/Zen? Alts. You've got 2 character slots to start with. Get them both leveled up and do your dailies the whole way through. Use your AD to get some zen and pop open some lockboxes. Use the winnings to purchase 2 more character slots. Grind up a little more AD and transfer your lockboxes to one character. Offer to buy huge amounts of Zen at 50 AD per zen and then cancel the bid on the "Main Lockbox Opener" character and withdraw the Astral Diamonds for the Lockboxer.
Then buy keys.
It's actually pretty damned fast. My other character I was doing this with is only level 16 right now and I only -really- used her to do daily skirmishes and the Cloak Tower.
TL;DR Version: Get yourself AD from Dailies and such, use a second character to do dailies/prayer -only- while your main character is having fun and leveling up or whatever, buy keys with AD, get lots of AD, use AD to get Zen, profit.
-Rachel-
And then I ran missions, storyline and foundry, hit up skirmishes and dungeons, but I didn't enter into PvP because it's just not my cup of tea. I traded in my astral diamonds for Zen and bought keys for the lockboxes I could afford and sold the rest on the market.
Then I got a Nightmare. And then I sold that nightmare on the market for 2 million astral diamonds. I used another 450,000 astral diamonds on fruitless keys and lockboxes until I won another one. Which I then sold for 1.8 million astral diamonds.
My character is, currently, level 39. And I had 3.3 million astral diamonds before I started shifting them over to other characters. Though, to be fair, I also got the Astral Diamond Statue/Relic quest twice out of the lockboxes I opened, so that was another 80,000 AD I didn't have to actually earn/
So how do you avoid spending money or investing huge amounts of time and make some quick AD/Zen? Alts. You've got 2 character slots to start with. Get them both leveled up and do your dailies the whole way through. Use your AD to get some zen and pop open some lockboxes. Use the winnings to purchase 2 more character slots. Grind up a little more AD and transfer your lockboxes to one character. Offer to buy huge amounts of Zen at 50 AD per zen and then cancel the bid on the "Main Lockbox Opener" character and withdraw the Astral Diamonds for the Lockboxer.
Then buy keys.
It's actually pretty damned fast. My other character I was doing this with is only level 16 right now and I only -really- used her to do daily skirmishes and the Cloak Tower.
TL;DR Version: Get yourself AD from Dailies and such, use a second character to do dailies/prayer -only- while your main character is having fun and leveling up or whatever, buy keys with AD, get lots of AD, use AD to get Zen, profit.
-Rachel-
Great Weapon Fighter tanks? Who are you kidding? Cleric tanks. They draw -all- the aggro.
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Please review my campaign and I'll return the favor.
-Rachel-
Now go buy a real lotto ticket
24k a day per character (with alts) so with two it is 48k AD per day (refining rate)
Then you may earn more via AH from selling different items. This will take a bit of research and item drop.
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This. "Just win a nightmare, guys!", is eye-twitchingly stupid, given that it reportedly has a 0.5% chance to drop from a box. Otherwise the advice is sound, just learn to work the auction I suppose.
Fixxed for you.
Basic economic works well. There are TWO areas that players should work on.
Auction house
AD/Zen Exchange
the problem with this method is that it REQUIRE people who have little patience and want stuff now. Just like real life stock exchange.
You need to earn a bit of AD and you could play the AD/Zen exchange. Buy low and sell high. The market changes constantly so you could earn them if you have the time (like Day Trading)
The other takes a bit of research (just like selling stuff on eBay) you need to find what is popular item on the Auction house and then farm said item and sell it. OR, if you are adventurous (some are) you could BUY low in AH and sell high in AH and make some profit. Keep in mind that there is a FEE so this method is not as profitable if you are not careful (again this will take time)
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You know what else sells like hotcakes on the market? Nightmare Dye Packs. Something like 70k a pack. And they're purchased with trade bars which you get in stacks of 5-40 each time you open the box. They cost 45.
Also the statues that you turn in for 40k each.
And you could probably sell the blue and purple enchants and stuff you get out of the coffers. Even the green enchantment and rune boxes have the chance to drop purples, after all.
Yeah. I got really lucky to get two Nightmares within a couple of days of each other. So unless you get as lucky you won't get 3 million in a week. But you'll still be able to get hundreds of thousands so long as you use your trade bars for tradeables and get moderately lucky with the coffers.
-Rachel-
From the math I did, it'll take around 50k AD to get 1 single key. 1 single chance at getting something big to sell on the AH. Sure, if you are lucky enough, then you're set. But I've read these forums, I've read what people have said. I've heard how much money people have sunk already in keys, and still haven't gotten the mount, or anything really worthwhile. Sure, it's a gamble, but not much of a gamble.
Now I don't have all day to play this game, but in the time I do have available, I have a 23 cleric, and a 20 guardian. Between both characters, doing dailies, praying, and sometimes through Leadership, I've attained maybe 10k AD between the 2 of them. Also know that I have not spent a single AD on anything, because I'm saving up for a new character slot(214k AD at current rate).
I definitely see what you're saying, it was my goal in the first place. Though easy, it is completely far from being time efficient, unless you are lucky enough to actually snag a high selling item. Yes, you can do all of this without spending a dime. But it will take forever and a day to do it. That is, unless you're lucky.
In some ways, it's like telling someone "You can be a millionaire very easy!!! Just buy lotto tickets every single day, and sign up for as much of the Publisher's Clearing House as you can!"
I think people are confusing our " prices are too high " for not wanting to spend cash. Truth is people like the OP are what we like to call moochers. They arent spending money(well he did which is fine, he spent cash and was able to use what he had to profit). But the point is... some of us want to support the game with our wallet, however we also want value for our cash which this game doesnt give. Its like going to mcdonalds and being charged 35 dollars for a bigmac, and having to pay 20 dollars for your fries and 10 dollars for a drink.
We want to spend money but over all cash requirement is fairly high...
Character Slot = $5
Too pricey, imo. Now, if they dropped it to say, $3, I would buy it up. Why? Because, to me, $10 for 3 characters is much better than $10 for 2 characters. Having a total of 5 character slots gives a player with my playing style everything I'd need for awhile. 3 slots for permanent characters, 2 slots for trying out different things(like when new races, or classes become available). Would I buy more later? Probably, because I'm an alt-aholic. But limiting someone with alt-itis his alt-fix unless he's willing to spend a lot of money, is not the best business plan. If I don't see value, I don't buy.
How to avoid working all your life.
Buy lottery tickets. Ask your mom for 10$, and go buy lottery tickets. Then, once you win the 60 million from those lottery tickets, you can spend a million of those winnings on more lottery tickets. By that time, you'll have won the lottery twice, bringing you to about 119 million in two weeks.
See, that was easy, wasn't it!
I was just putting a counter to the Pay to Win argument through an experiment that took a couple of days.
If you have got neither time nor money to get stuff in the game, Zul and others, then I don't know what to tell you. It's an MMO so you need to invest one or the other at the very least. Generally a balance of both (for P2P and F2P MMOs) or a larger amount of one or the other (F2P MMOs).
-Rachel-
-Rachel-
Yeah. That works. Only I didn't spend any money buying the tickets. It's closer to "Go to a casino with a bucket of money you picked up on the way to the casino but didn't spend any money to buy."
-Rachel-
That 'Guardian' tag under your Avatar tells me otherwise ....
It's not up to you to prove the price is good or wrong. It is not. It is set to maximize profit. I simply couldn't agree more with that goal. One need to do it with superior product. One does it with outstanding marketing. Other do it with better customer service. One is open and doesn't use sneaky techniques. Just tell me when you meet one doing all of that and profiting long in mass sector.
Because if you go nice then all those who said "if it was cheaper, if it has no DRM, if it has better service, I will pay" usually don't pay enough for what it really costs. This work usually with relatively small communities.
People choose. Some will play it, some will leave. I just wish people would leave without a week flaming the forums how they don't care at all about such bad game.
But overall, I do agree this isn't P2W, just P2accessfaster.
That character had no money spent on her, and anything that was given to her because I spent money was thrown away. I even used only the generic mount and cleric pet.
-Rachel-
+1
/tenchar
Well, on that note, I will now eat my words. I could've swore that when I moused over it on day 1, it said 500 points for 1 character. But if it's two, then there's definitely some value there, at least regarding my alt-itis. I humbly admit I read that wrong, and throw my earlier example out the window.
But I still stick by my other points. XD
Just wanted to enable your altitis. Because I am evil in that way.
-Rachel-
This is where I stopped reading your post.
similar to real life, you have to work at it. You "could" be a millionaire overnight by lottery (or inheritance) or the old fashion way.... hard work
Now since this is a game, that is optional. You could do hard work and earn your million AD (over time from refining, but realistically, it is more like you find someone and selling it on eBay for something more). Just like in real life, I may buy something and sell it on eBay that someone else willing to pay more (in case of NWN, you got a item drop from many mission you ran and sell it in AH)
This is more realistic and easily attainable than winning a lotto BUT it can be done. This is NOT overnight operation or even a month worth (1 month is 720k AD if you max out 24k a day) there are other methods that you can use to boost it (play Exchange market or selling items in AH)
High AD prices does seem daunting right now because it is in the millions BUT the game just open beta in about a week. Granted that going from 1 to max level in short order built a HUGE demand for AD.
I also notice that while you may earn 10k at level 24, you could probably earn 24k a day easier at 60. I learn this in STO that I can earn 8k rough dilithium easily a day once I have more open. I don't have a level 60 character yet to test
Please review my campaign and I'll return the favor.
I really don't see the downside, here. Either you make money in the short term (or you more or less break even) or you make money in the long term.
-Rachel-