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Fast and Easy XP Through Foundry - Working as Intended?
serotonergic
Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 42
So I understand that MMORPG's have gotten progressively more and more casualized overtime since the days of EverQuest where spending an entire day just trying to run your naked butt back to your corpse after having lost hours worth of XP for dying in the first place wasn't uncommon, but the state of easy XP from the foundry seems to me to be quite excessive.
Here's what happens in case you don't know: <removed details of exploit>
To me, this seems like an obvious end product of the foundry. My question to the devs is, is this working as intended? Is this really how you want your game to be and should we expect it to remain as is? It seems to completely trivialize the leveling process and immensely cheapens the accomplishment of getting to level 60.
Is it because this isn't a subscription based game so you don't care about people being in the leveling treadmill since you don't get money based on how long people play?
Here's what happens in case you don't know: <removed details of exploit>
To me, this seems like an obvious end product of the foundry. My question to the devs is, is this working as intended? Is this really how you want your game to be and should we expect it to remain as is? It seems to completely trivialize the leveling process and immensely cheapens the accomplishment of getting to level 60.
Is it because this isn't a subscription based game so you don't care about people being in the leveling treadmill since you don't get money based on how long people play?
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No doubt the devs will close loopholes as they find them, but the players will always be one step ahead.
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also this game isnt about long annoying leveling it is about the experience of neverwinter world , end game grind, companion grinds , having alternate class to level up
i already find without astral diamonds companions that need to train for 12 hours, seriously slow crafting with astral diamonds
now lets talk about alts, if you have gone through all the quests once, you want to skip that , jump with your alt and your friends alts in a foundry map and grind to the top without moving once...
I'm glad someone else feels this way. I find the lazy quick xp/loot foundry quests to be an eye-roll. Granted, there are some heavy xp quests that are quick, fun and moderately challenging, but these also have a modicum of story and design. <removed details of exploit>
Still, I know people will use the foundry for making quick xp/loot quests, even if they are forced to do it in a manner that PW approves of. I don't think that they should be removed or disallowed. I don't think my opinion should be the ultimate say on anything in the foundry. I believe if the majority of foundry questers dislike the exploit quest, they will review them poorly with 1 star (not sure if you can give 0 stars). This should move them to the back of the line and out of sight. And if the majority doesn't dislike the exploit quests.... well I'm used to being in the minority. Perhaps I'll start making my own quests with the full content experience for those of us that like to enjoy our xp grind.
This ^^. Part of the DnD experience is being able to run other peoples campaigns no matter what you may think of some peoples foundry mishes and the ones just made for EXP grind to remove anyone's content or reduced the rewards would go against what drives DnD.
Player made campaigns.
Nepht and Dr Deflecto on primus
To get to end game were grind is neccessary to keep you playing .
It could be called a Grind to Grind game style .
The focus these days is to get there first were ever there may be, the most boring but efficient way .
I may develope a game with 100 levels filled <removed details of exploit> that give great xp at 100 there is a set of neccessary gear that you have to grind mobs to get before you can face a boss then another set of gear you have to kill different mobs to get a different set of gear with twice as much power to kill another boss with twice as much power as the first boss .
Based on current mentality players should flock to it and I should clear my investment of a few quid and be in profit by tomorrow lol.
If it continues like this, this game will have really short life span and I dont want that because I like the game.. but there is simply nothing to do.
I imagine you could 1-60 with these xp grind foundry quests in a single evening of just 6 hours or so. I've got two extra char slots...I'll give it a go and see how long it actually takes.
<removed details of exploit> in an impossible way to reach max level in a small amount of time is what DnD is about? lol, I don't think so. Have you ever even played a game of table top DnD or even the other Neverwinter games? This game is hardly anything like DnD and is much more like typical modern MMORPG's (aka a "WoW clone")
but if it's your first char then there's no point in doing this
The Dire Crow - Tiefling TR
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Ludovique - Tiefling DC
what to be good in pvp level up a healer and a tank then you beat everyone in the pvp
i kill 3 rogue on my tank
One side is enjoying the game the way they like, the other side is busy trying to ruin it because it affects them in some imagined way. All the doom you guys cry in every game like this never comes true. No mass exodus, no "bads" at max level etc. The devs will rain on the parade, don't worry.
Over and over, sunrise, sunset:)
Then should unplug there internet and go buy a Nes and snes. all mmorpg have some type glitch and errors. that life a mmorpg
it part of socialise. they want to control how people play the game and make it to point not fun anymore. only fun for them
There's a reason cheat codes don't exist in MMORPG's.
This is no different.
The Foundry Content you are describing is an exploit and solutions are being explored.
I leveled my first toon through PvP (Tiefling CW) and did it solely out of curiosity and to find a good PvE/PvP build for my son who will make and level one up when Drow is available.
I say fix it but within reason (Don't ruin a good thing because of a few exploiters).
-Kymos
I haven't seen the one that <removed details of exploit>, sounds pretty cheap TBH.
You should have to atlaest be vulnerable to the mobs.
Foundry was a lazy way to release PvE content without Cryptic having to create it, and as much as they will try to stay on top of it, EXP farming content will be released daily.
Once you've levelled a few characters to 60, there really is little interest in the storyline repetition for the other characters you can create.
And finally there was reason. Thank you lol
Farming is not a bad thing, all in all. It's what every MMO developer actually loves to see, IMHO. Repetitive content that people grind out, over and over and over and over. Personally, I can't do overmuch of it. Back in City of, there were maps filled with mobs from the game and you could set your personal difficulty levels so that one player with one character ran maps full of enemies set for a team size of eight and four levels higher than the player's level. I could do maybe two or three runs before having to break and do something else, but they were useful for grinding out what I needed at the time. (Prestige for base building.*drool* I really miss base building.
At any rate, I feel confident Cryptic will come to the same decision that Paragon Studios did and set, then maintain a risk-to-reward formula, and if anyone broke it, punishment ensued.
Occam's Razor makes the cutting clean.
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Well if they just wanted to mindlessly kill ogres that's fine and dandy. You can find a few quests like that in fact which are perfectly legal.
Exploiting isn't placing a bunch of mobs in foundry content and just making a big ball of mobs. It's a step above and beyond.
Sadly common sense rules this area. If something seems too good to be true it is.
If you can make Foundry Content which allows you to level very fast very easily chances are it's an exploit.
And exploits are against the EULA and ToS.
Then again, its their choice. They wont hurt me for lvling faster then a normal questing person, just a easy mode grind. At the end, its everyone own choice how to go to 60, as the quests are static i would assume doing the entire quest/zone/story again, might be a bit boring.
The ogre one, its just exp like regular mobs with a bonus, and i must say that a duo at high lvl takes quite a while to get them down. Its just a big headstart for the lower level people.
I love the stories that people come up with in the Foundry but if its a waste of time as far as xp goes, then I wont do them unless I get the itch for a good story from time to time. I feel exploits definitely need to be fixed, I cant go into detail about those that Ive heard of, but no risk and tons of reward are just not the way it should be. I just hope they go about it in a way that doesnt require them to take the Foundry offline for a long long time ( I would probably go through withdrawal, some of those stories are very intriguing! ) and in a way that wont nerf it to the ground.