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tsatix
Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 23 Arc User
First off, not to be funny, this is the most terrible queue system I've seen in a while. People can't get in at times even though they're just sitting in the city and waiting, but that's simply a bug and I am sure will be fixed soon. The main problem is the default loot system, lack of flexibility in the loot system, and the fact that a randomly chosen player can kick people at their leisure.
Being a considerate player and long time MMOer I know better than to roll need a piece or armor or weapons that is class specific and not for my class. Clearly a lot of the players here have forgotten dungeon loot etiquette and I find myself fighting Trickster Rogues for my Devoted symbols and Guardian Weapon Fighters for my helmets. There NEEDS to be a "class specific only allowed to need" default loot rule for dungeon queues. Everyone else can greed if the item is not needed, the system is very simple and common now and I am surprised and disappointed that this isn't in yet.
Giving a random leader of your group is not a good idea, ever, in a queue everything a party leader can do needs to be a VOTE option. Seriously this needs to be in like next patch.
Being a considerate player and long time MMOer I know better than to roll need a piece or armor or weapons that is class specific and not for my class. Clearly a lot of the players here have forgotten dungeon loot etiquette and I find myself fighting Trickster Rogues for my Devoted symbols and Guardian Weapon Fighters for my helmets. There NEEDS to be a "class specific only allowed to need" default loot rule for dungeon queues. Everyone else can greed if the item is not needed, the system is very simple and common now and I am surprised and disappointed that this isn't in yet.
Giving a random leader of your group is not a good idea, ever, in a queue everything a party leader can do needs to be a VOTE option. Seriously this needs to be in like next patch.
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Need, Greed & Pass. There is always one joker it seems that will NEED everything (probably because they've been burnt already), so now it's about do they get all the loot or do you have to look like a joker to and need everything just to make it even? Messed up.
Random, non-ending chests. It's a struggle. I think it is setup for each player to open the chest and take one thing and then the next person does the same, until everyone gets a piece. But too many just do "Take All" and then it's over. OR you have a group taking a piece at a time, but others in the group just move on... assuming someone took it all and there is nothing else. Really? Really? This is a system? People told me a few times this was fixed, this isn't fixed, it's a messed up design.
There are queue bugs, but part of the problem is a simple lack of tanks (defenders).
As a Trickster Rogue or Control Wizard, I have to queue...and queue...and queue. On my Guardian Fighter, the queues pop almost instantly. Every time.
I agree that the need rules should be fixed, and kicking should be a vote system. I doubt this will be fixed anytime soon, though, because Star Trek Online has had the same problems for literally years. But I guess Cryptic could surprise me.
Yes, if you queue with a full party of five players you will go in instantly. You can also have less than five people and start the dungeon by entering via the actual door location on the map.
I have only played a Guardian fighter, but wow, I have never waited on a queue. Instant in every time. I guess there is low tank population and a very high striker/controller population. Maybe they should also have an option for "sub-optimal groups" when you jump in the queue, meaning that as long as you are happy with giving it a go, you might end up in a group with just Rogues and Great Weapon Fighters, but if you are happy to give it a go the option exists and you can jump the queue.
As to you should only be able to need if you can use....Totally, 100% agree. I have no idea why it isnt implemented that way already.
As far as the chests go ... all party members should be able to loot them of all items. They replenish just about instantly. There are some bugged chests but they're few and far between and seem to be heavily concentrated in the first instance that you do at level five or six, the specific name of which escapes me.
Lottie
But vote for kick is just stupid. I guess you haven't played Tera.
In Tera you get ******bags that mess up whole dungeon runs and you can't kick them because someone might be afk, they have a friend with them in the party or someone simply doesnt agree with you.
If they introduce a vote kick system it's a deal breaker for me, I don't want to deal with not being able to remove someone for bad behavior or whatever the reason is.
I bet the people who are complaining the most are the same ones that ask another person of the same class to give them an item that they lost the roll for. Has happened to me countless times. "Hey gimme the item please I need it more than you do". And half the time when I don't they cry and throw a tantrum over it.
So to sum it up, get over it and move on and at 60 go with a group you trust or can control. Not like you can kill harder bosses with a random que group that don't know how to dodge roll to save their life anyways.
Whether you pug a little or pug a lot, pugs need to work, and saying "no pugging at 60" as a solution to design problems is a little limiting.
Then don't expect to get the things you want all the time then. Also the dungeon que system for this game is wonky. The groups I've been thrown into have had no balance what so ever. I've even had one with 4 rogues and a gwf. So if you want it to work then somehow get the devs to fix that and tune everything down to make it faceroll friendly because 90% of the time pugs are dumb, useless, and greedy.
Edit: How you say that you don't need online friends? I've made lots of friends inside games and occasionally meet up with them outside the game and have a great time. Makes you sound like a jerk especially if there are people online who consider themselves to be your friend.
Unfortunately, this gets brought up all the time around here and since the powers that be conveniently never respond to any of the threads about it I doubt it is going to change. God knows why because it needs to.
I doubt you're alone. Which is a shame. God knows the bickering gets tiring when you have one of these idiots in your group that does this as others start flaming him.
needs to be fixed.
Wow wtf? You serious? Someone should seriously report that scum.
Why report them? Cryptic has designed it to work this way, it will not change. As long as this loot system is in place people will need roll on purples, regardless of if they can use it or not. I always roll on purples, they sell very well on the auction for astral diamonds. It is not a bug, it is working as PWE intended it too.
Yes you can
Sorry bro, the only successful thing you had going on in life was patched out a few weeks back.
I have been able to roll need on items not specific to my class. Not that I ever do. I have also seen others lose items to a class that could not use it. You can roll need regardless least for greens and blues. I can't speak about purples. Not there yet.
No, it was not patched because it has been going on all day today. ANYONE can roll need on anything that is BOE.
I have not seen this so called "fix" working whatsoever. Anything that is BOE can been rolled need by anyone in the group and then sold to the playerbase via the auction. It has happened all day today for me as well.
Yeah...if this was supposedly fixed it sure as hell isn't working haha
Neverwinter will not/can't be changed to work this way because loot is not always distributed via a "chest".
It never ceases to amaze me how many MMO creators fail to realise that fair loot mechanics are very important to the community feel of their game, especially for those that pug a lot.
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You and people like you are the very reason PUGS are awful. Your logic is flawed and your attitude sucks.