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Dyes need to be reusable....or hardly anyone will buy them.
gyloir
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Am I the only one really disappointed in this?
I got dyes with the guardian founders pack, but they are single-use only. This means once used that's it. Not only are they "single" use, but you can't even dye an ENTIRE piece of clothing, as it only works 1 time, so you need at least THREE bottle sto dye a single piece of clothing.
So instead of using them to dye my clothes I toss them in the bank to use late game instead.
Guild Wars 2 dye system was the best imo, there were a TON of dyes, many colours/shades, with blacks and deep-reds, etc being more "rare" and thus worth more).
You could find dyes as loot, or buy them on the cash shop. Many people did both, dyes were tradeable, etc.
However because dyes, once you acquired one, were limitless (IEyou didn't use it to dye a single piece of clothing) this meant people weren't "afraid" to use them, in fact m any people spent a lot of time using dyes, changing the colours of their clothing, switching them up often. Dyes were something to collect and many people purchased them via the shop.
However in game, I haive yet to see a single person that's used dyes outside of one guy who was complaining that he used dyes on hsi lower lv clothing and was upset to find out that once used he lost them and he bascially "wasted" them on items he would be getting rid of fairly soon.
I know PW wants/has to make money on the game, but some things need to be scaled back. I'd buy dyes on the shop if it meant I coudl actually use them FREELy once bought and didn't have to "reserve" them for later use (IE not to waste money on dying clothing I'd get rid of), even if it's per-character and not account bound that'd be 100x better then the current dye system.
It's just too much for too little imo.
I got dyes with the guardian founders pack, but they are single-use only. This means once used that's it. Not only are they "single" use, but you can't even dye an ENTIRE piece of clothing, as it only works 1 time, so you need at least THREE bottle sto dye a single piece of clothing.
So instead of using them to dye my clothes I toss them in the bank to use late game instead.
Guild Wars 2 dye system was the best imo, there were a TON of dyes, many colours/shades, with blacks and deep-reds, etc being more "rare" and thus worth more).
You could find dyes as loot, or buy them on the cash shop. Many people did both, dyes were tradeable, etc.
However because dyes, once you acquired one, were limitless (IEyou didn't use it to dye a single piece of clothing) this meant people weren't "afraid" to use them, in fact m any people spent a lot of time using dyes, changing the colours of their clothing, switching them up often. Dyes were something to collect and many people purchased them via the shop.
However in game, I haive yet to see a single person that's used dyes outside of one guy who was complaining that he used dyes on hsi lower lv clothing and was upset to find out that once used he lost them and he bascially "wasted" them on items he would be getting rid of fairly soon.
I know PW wants/has to make money on the game, but some things need to be scaled back. I'd buy dyes on the shop if it meant I coudl actually use them FREELy once bought and didn't have to "reserve" them for later use (IE not to waste money on dying clothing I'd get rid of), even if it's per-character and not account bound that'd be 100x better then the current dye system.
It's just too much for too little imo.
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Centurion maximus92
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The only problem I must admit that I face with the dyes in NW are the fact that Black is the most expensive color. :l
I know it's popular, but it's bs, lol.
it's also locked to a character. So alts will need to find/buy them as well. It doens't stop people from buying them.
Hell I'd buy them if it was locked to levels even (Ie lasts "10 levels" unlimited use dye. Just something that let you use them without having to see it as a waste of money sinec you'll keep getting new items until you hit the very end game.
But that is good for the player......=/
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I agree for whatever it is worth.
If they made dyes unlimited I would actually care about them, might even spend a few dollars for the ability to dye all my armors a specific color scheme. One use dyes that cost real money or are really hard to get though, I wouldn't even use on end-game armor, because "end-game" is only end-game until the next content update in a few weeks or months, then there's new armors to get again.
Ok sarcasm off. If single use dyes are your biggest complaint in a f2p game then they are doing ok I guess.
Your point is valid. However, I think overpricing on cosmetics does infact, adversely effect their revenue stream. I think more attractive pricing would lend itself to more consumption.
Granted, I think the F2P bussiness model is challenging, period. They no doubt are testing the market to see what it will bear. But.. emotional attachment to a character is driven by player individual expression. I know I've gone back to play games long after the content was stale, simply because I liked my characters so much.
Don't get me wrong. I really, really like this game and intend to keep playing it. I just think that Cryptic tends to fall prey to that classic DM (and game developer) mistake of being world-centric, as opposed to player-centric.
DMs and Developers alike sometimes forget that the player-character is a form of almost artistic expression for many. Thats not to say that there aren't plenty of players who just want to play a mechanically sound game inwhich a cookie-cutter trinity is fine. But, I just think that they are plenty of folks who aren't satisfied with that.
A case in point would be a perceived lack of class offerings, but a significant investment in story creation in the Foundry. The Foundry is a phenominal idea and tool, just as all of the user created content in the original NWN was.The Foundry alone will keep this game rolling well beyond the average game life-cycle. But, its specifically catering to people who like to make 'worlds', not people who like to make 'characters'
But your point still stands. I'm going to keep playing the game, dyes or not. But.. a lot of players will start to feel stiffled with a genreic look and feel, and might move on to something that maybe isn't as sound a game, but affords more creative expression.
Then you haven't seen me.
I've dyed my gear at cap, and i have the jesters outfit all dyed too.
I liked how in GW2 once you unlocked a dye you could use it anytime, but man did i hate the gamble of buying dyes without knowing what i'd get, and the fact that there were an almost infinite amount of shades for each color. I know you could always hope there was what you wanted on the AH, but then you have the trouble of them being overpriced. I accept one use dyes since i know what color i'm getting, and don't have to hope that someday i'll a shade that looks decent. I got so many shades of brown in GW2, or other dumpy colors. :P Don't forget too that people there were saying the dyes should be account wide, not per character.
Good point. I am not spending money on 1 time use coloring items. That is just silly.
It's nickel and dimey but this game doesn't make money off box sales so they have to nickel and dime to an extent. lol
Sucks, but i can deal with it.
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I saw your screens, and I actually added that "in-game" after thinking of your awesome looking jester.
That is true, but they should have given their business model more thought. Leave it free to play, but allow people to buy certain "packs" that would simulate the sale of boxes. For example: $60 for 6 character slots and misc. perks like re-usable dyes, being able to respec for gold instead of zen, permanent discounts for certain zen items, that sort of thing. I think the way they chose to do it is very sloppy.
1 the fact that the shoes/pants and shirt/gloves are merged reduces mix/match
2 each item is character only soo many character bound items makes mutible accts more likly
3 each fashion item is a lost spot in my bag/bank vault so i dont want to buy many
4 you cant mix actual armour bits into your fashion outfits so everyone looks alike
5 I wouldnt want to dye any real armour cause ill just outlevel it
6 you cant buy all colours convieniently gold,silver and white seem only available in dye packs
7 some colours dont even exiist assuming gold=yellow we have no orange, brown, Cyan,,
no dark vertions of normal colours..
Id prefer off duty outfits had more of a costume slot system like CO/STO preferably charging AD
for a per change tally or have a zen token that covers all the changes in one visit.
you can always keep dyes for armor changes.
Id like to see a choice of per char (cheap) costume sets and an account(more expencive)costume sets
If it must remain physical items we should be able to get a special "garment bag" like we have for
pets and crafting.
id like to see an account bank where we can share nonbound items without alts without mailing
this also will decrease people having multible accounts.
Probably because the majority of folks are too busy running around trying to get to 'end game' to even stop and try it.
Here's my main, L39 Rogue (played since the 25th). Judicious use of mixed colored dyes for two layers.
Couple thoughts on dye:
1. Multi-use dyes that you "collect" would
a. increase the need to buy bank expansions (good for the game's revenue)
b. increase the amount of moaning about the expense of bank expansions
2. Another idea would be to reduce the cost of dyes (100 zen for the basics?) so that people would be more willing to use & discard them constantly as they upgrade armor. On the other hand, maybe there's not actually that many people who want to dye. We want to, obviously, because we care to post about it. But what % of the others....
I would absolutely dye my armor, if it weren't just throwing away money right now
In Lotro, btw, dye is a craftable. That is a great solution.
It is Not nickel and dime it is very very pricey to dye your helmet 3 times , you armor 3 times and your boots three times in order to have the color scheme you want. If I could pay once to dye all my armor all at once I would and that would be fine because then I could see the finished product before I purchased it. I don't mind paying once per color but it should effect the character and ALL his gear now and future all at once. I even have the free dyes from the founders pack I don't use them probably never will because I don't have enough dyes to dye all my armor. And I'm not a fan of the stale Red, purple and Blue you get form those freebe packs.
Aye. Dyes really need to be made permanent and a palette needs to be added. Once you buy or find a certain dye color, it gets permanently added to your pallete. You can then dye your items any color your pallete allows.
Neverwinter system just plain sucks. Prices are WAY to high. I've bought 2 Nightmare packs but that's all I will spend. I was so disappointed with them. In GW2 I have spend money because it was at a reasonable price. I would do the same here if they didn't price gouge us.
Oh and... :P
the difference between gw1 and gw2 dye system is that all/most dyes were freely available on a vendor for gold.
In a perfect world, everyone who will ever play NW has one of each dye on all their characters... it will not sell anymore. If it is one time use it will be on higher demand because players will need to dye gears every now and then. When new gears come out they will need more dyes and so forth. Dyes that last 10 levels may sound good, but if you buy dyes at level 60 that means it last forever and it will discourage anyone under level 51 to buy them. If they do release permanent dyes, however, I am not complaining, but the price should probably be at least 10 times greater if not more.
I like how you got your outfit to work with the undergarment. Kudos!
And now post a picture from behind so everyone can see that outfit for the hideous joke it really is. I nearly died laughing once I'd put it on the first time.
Yeah, I was kind of disappointed about that. I'd looked at it in the "change appearance" menu for a sorta-preview, and had thought it would look better.
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I've used a few more of my "starter" dyes on some of my characters, again on teens-20's armor that I thought I'd likely save for future copying. It's nice to not look quite the same as everyone.... some cheaper way to get dye would certainly be nice, and it might alleviate some of the "everyone looks the same" complaints.
(Thinking about TERA's dye system - permanent dye is only from the cash shop. You can buy or craft dye - with semi-rare ingredients - that lasts either 1 day or 7 days. So, it's reasonably available, but it's not even permanent on the item you dye. Not a problem if you're upgrading at a good speed. And if Cryptic wanted to monetize it, make one of the components for crafting dye something that you buy from the cash shop - say, a stack of 5-10 "dye bottles" for 100-200zen. Make the result color random, so that people have to use more and to get a thriving dye trade on the AH. Or something like that. /shrug)