However in game, I haive yet to see a single person that's used dyes outside of one guy who was complaining that he used dyes on hsi lower lv clothing and was upset to find out that once used he lost them and he bascially "wasted" them on items he would be getting rid of fairly soon.
I've seen at least a dozen. Keep in mind that a pure cosmetic item like this won't be used by most folks, just like 'social' outfits. The small minority of us that do like to make our characters look good have no problem with spending a few bucks.
Here's my main, L48 rogue. I've upgraded and redyed the armor twice in 20 levels. Also spent 80k AD to re-skin the weapons. I doubt if you'll see another rogue looking like this for a long time. And that's the entire point for 'vanity' items like dyes. Since I don't power-game and have little to no interest in PvP, having a distinctive appearance is my way to stand out from the crowd.
Here's my main, L48 rogue. I've upgraded and redyed the armor twice in 20 levels. Also spent 80k AD to re-skin the weapons. I doubt if you'll see another rogue looking like this for a long time. And that's the entire point for 'vanity' items like dyes. Since I don't power-game and have little to no interest in PvP, having a distinctive appearance is my way to stand out from the crowd.
I've been saving things for reskinning, but not actually doing it yet because it seems so amazingly expensive and leveling gear is replaced so fast. And there's so many things you need AD for (including saving it up for dyes and costumes )
So true. When dyes are rare or expensive, then none of us want to "waste" them until the end-game when we aren't changing gear every few hours or every day.
Rift had a great dye system too! There were lighter shade dyes that were sold by vendors at very slow prices, and whenever I got new gear, I'd dye my armor to make sure they always matched. It wasn't the nicest color dye, but for low levels it was good enough!
Or like some already mentioned, Guild Wars 2's dye system was just plain awesome. Nice color dyes were rare drops and re-usable! Because of this, people always used'em and had fun with it!
But in Neverwinter, I have a few and they are just sitting in my bank. I don't want to waste'em! They are expensive and and I don't want to waste all my money re-applying dye to my levelling armor cause I upgrade gear all the time! Even at cap level it will be sorta irritating because let's just I just spend tons of dye, I look great, then I do a dungeon and win a new upgrade. Great now I gotta waste another dye on a new piece after I just dyed my armor an hour ago!
I know Cryptic needs to add money sinks to make money, but there are limits!
I paid $30 for a Wolf Mount cause it will last me a long time and I know it won't just die and disappear off my character with time. Dyes are consumables and since we change gear so often and we can never predict when gear will change, we're gonna be more careful when applying dyes and there will come a point where we will be too careful and end up never using'em cause we're just too afraid of wasting our money!
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elawynMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild UsersPosts: 0Arc User
Dyes are consumables and since we change gear so often and we can never predict when gear will change, we're gonna be more careful when applying dyes and there will come a point where we will be too careful and end up never using'em cause we're just too afraid of wasting our money!
Different strokes for different folks I guess. I think I'm leveling one, sometimes two times a day, and I don't play 7 days a week. Also got two alts in the 20's slowly advancing. I figure at maybe another month before my main character hits 60 (or it might surprise me and only take a couple more weeks), just because I'm not focused on leveling but simply having fun.
mistysummerMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild UsersPosts: 38
edited May 2013
Dyes can be copied from one outfit to another. You simply wear the outfit you want to copy too, go to change appearance, put the already colored armor were you would normally put the dye.. Click change, and bang your new armor now looks exactly like the armor you had colored prior.
Just a little side note in-case you didn't know.
"Blindness is a private matter between a person and the eyes they choose to use. For there are none so blind as those that do not listen dalharil"
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darkraigne1Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian UsersPosts: 0Arc User
edited May 2013
Really you can do that cool I'm not in game can any1 else confirm?
Attaching the dye to the slot (so that all itms in that slot were that color scheme until you changed or removed the dye), rather then the item would be really cool too
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findlesMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian UsersPosts: 0Arc User
edited May 2013
in gw2 they lasted forever per toon. as i result, i found that i would try to collect them all. i would also try different combinations, sometimes daily. you would also see people using different colors running around. right now, armor dye seems to be kinda rare'ish.
in a game like d3 they were single use. i tended to wait until it was a really good piece or til i was max level. i did not try new things since there was a cost associated with experimenting.
in a game like d3 they were single use. i tended to wait until it was a really good piece or til i was max level. i did not try new things since there was a cost associated with experimenting.
Yeah, but you could just buy the basic colors from NPC shops. I was perfectly happy with keeping my archer in white/gold and my mage in pale blue.
Dyes are way down my list. Sure, it would be great to have fun colours, but there are many higher priority items - such as bags. It's going to be at least a year before I'd even consider a dye.
I've sold a ridiculous amount of red/blue/purple dyes for 44k ad each before the price started dropping. The packs of 4 only cost 200 zen, so.... profit. An extreme amount of profit. (Basically 2 free dyes per pack after selling 4)
Must've bought atleast 20-30 packs each of red/blue/purple & all sold a few minutes to a few hours after listing. Doubling monies when the going was good, now its not worth the time spent really.
Dyes can be copied from one outfit to another. You simply wear the outfit you want to copy too, go to change appearance, put the already colored armor were you would normally put the dye.. Click change, and bang your new armor now looks exactly like the armor you had colored prior.
Just a little side note in-case you didn't know.
I had done some tests with dyes in another thread, and if you place an undyed piece of armor in the spot where the dye would go, then yes the older armor's dye will copy onto the new skin, the item would be gone though, you'd still be using your old item with a new skin, with the old dye color... HOWEVER, it doesn't show this in the preview window until you actually spend the AD and do it.(I used 2 pair of pants and copied an undyed pair onto a dyed pair, the item models were the same on both though)
Alternatively, you could wear your new item, take your old dyed item, place it where the dye slot is, and it will slap the item's model along with the dye onto your new item, your new item's model will then look like your old item complete with dyes, but keep the new item's stats.
And for anyone who doesn't know the "dye packs" like nightmare dye pack and such, each 1 item contains 3 dye colors to go on all 3 dye channels of a piece of armor, sometimes its cheaper to buy the pack rather than a single color for dying say like, your pants black.
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darkraigne1Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian UsersPosts: 0Arc User
Dyes can be copied from one outfit to another. You simply wear the outfit you want to copy too, go to change appearance, put the already colored armor were you would normally put the dye.. Click change, and bang your new armor now looks exactly like the armor you had colored prior.
Just a little side note in-case you didn't know.
Can any1 confirm??
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darkraigne1Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian UsersPosts: 0Arc User
edited May 2013
Ok kool I'm gna try this now I actually don't mind buying 2 dye packs and one bottle now I know I'm not just throwing my money away
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mistysummerMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild UsersPosts: 38
Alternatively, you could wear your new item, take your old dyed item, place it where the dye slot is, and it will slap the item's model along with the dye onto your new item, your new item's model will then look like your old item complete with dyes, but keep the new item's stats.
Confirmation. I believe there is an AD cost to this though, so you don't want to do it every time you change armor if you are a fast leveler.
"Blindness is a private matter between a person and the eyes they choose to use. For there are none so blind as those that do not listen dalharil"
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darkraigne1Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian UsersPosts: 0Arc User
Confirmation. I believe there is an AD cost to this though, so you don't want to do it every time you change armor if you are a fast leveler.
Is it just me of does it only work sometimes and other times it just show a message saying no armor of this type???
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darkraigne1Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian UsersPosts: 0Arc User
edited May 2013
Is there a reason for me not being able to select one outfit type I.E. boots with dye and use that to copy the look and dye to the new item.
When before the same process worked but now it say no armor of this type or something like that.
Is there a reason for me not being able to select one outfit type I.E. boots with dye and use that to copy the look and dye to the new item.
When before the same process worked but now it say no armor of this type or something like that.
Ok PRO-TIP
Instead on right clicking drag old (dyed item) in to the dye slot and wala
It works but costs AD and it transfers the whole look from your old item to your new item with the new stats and the old dye (look)
I also agree. I have two bottles of dye in my bank that are pretty much useless because gear is always going to get better, your always going to find something different with better stats or more useful stats depending on how your trying to gear your character. I am reluctant to use them unless I find something more towards end game.
This being said, I would totally buy packs of dyes.. and various other dyes if I could reuse them on other pieces of gear. until that happens I'm staying away from dyes.
Making the dyes reusable probably wouldn't work. They are imo to expensive for one-shot items that apply to gear that is frequently changed. I would do one of 2 things.
First choice - Easiest: Lower the cost of the current dyes considerably. But sell much more expensive infinite use dye bottles as well.
Second choice - Harder: Keep the prices the same, but change the whole dye system mechanics. Instead of dying the gear, let us dye the slots. So anything we equip gets the colors set to what the slot has. But we still have to buy new dyes anytime we want to change colors.
Yep no one will buy dyes and no one certainly uses them....I still can't figure out why I'm making a small fortune in AD selling them on the AH...ya-know because... no one buys ....or uses them. :rolleyes:
Unless you know what piece of aesthetic armor (appearance slot) you're going to be using at level 60, there's no reason to use the dyes. Unless you are the sort of person who is willing to buy them repeatedly throughout armor upgrades. I have to agree with the one guy who said how rare it is to see someone who has actually had dyed armor before 60. This combined with so much of the gear sharing the same model at lower levels really makes you feel like an individual.
A rich rogue nowadays is fit company for any gentleman; and the world, my dear, hath not such a contempt for roguery as you imagine. - John HAMSTER
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elawynMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild UsersPosts: 0Arc User
Unless you know what piece of aesthetic armor (appearance slot) you're going to be using at level 60, there's no reason to use the dyes. Unless you are the sort of person who is willing to buy them repeatedly throughout armor upgrades. I have to agree with the one guy who said how rare it is to see someone who has actually had dyed armor before 60. This combined with so much of the gear sharing the same model at lower levels really makes you feel like an individual.
I've had a fully dyed outfit since level 30ish. (actually more than one). Seen quite a few other folks too.
I've had a fully dyed outfit since level 30ish. (actually more than one). Seen quite a few other folks too.
Cool. I have had the exact opposite experience; rarely seeing anyone with dyed armor.
On my first account I did dye my low-level gear before realizing that the dyes weren't actually going to be common drops somewhere later on. I color-coordinated everything with my character's hair.
A rich rogue nowadays is fit company for any gentleman; and the world, my dear, hath not such a contempt for roguery as you imagine. - John HAMSTER
I color-coordinated everything with my character's hair.
I went for color coordination with hair AND eyes. Here's the progression. Middle pic is around level 30, last is 50 something. Current outfit is quite similiar.
I bought a pack of 4 Red Dyes and only that. They cost 200 Zen, but it was worth it cause I got a full set of T2 so I know I won't be changing that for a little while!
But see the problem here? I haven't spend any real money on dyes until I hit level 60 and got a set of armor that I knew I wasn't just gonna replace in a few hours or a few days later! I don't want to spent 50 cents every few hours or day cause I upgraded a piece of gear and want it to match my outfit again! So I just spent less $money$ and only use dyes when I know it won't go to waste!
But what if dyes had more charges? Why not charge $10 to $20 for an infinite use worth of dyes that I could re-apply for as many times as I want? Wouldn't Cryptic make way more money this way? Players would spend $10 to $20 to buy the colored dye of their choice and then go on an armor coloring spree and look awesome as they level and whenever they get new armor! The game would look nicer too because you won't have players looking alike as they level up and travel around the world!
Anyways that's what I think. Cause I know Cryptic has to make money somehow, and I will buy many items and services, but not when it comes to expensive consumables! Dyes don't make me more powerful, they don't make me travel faster, they don't do anything to affect how I play the game, they just make me look nicer and that's where I draw the line to how much I'm gonna spend on a "vanity' item.
1. I've decided to make a "cosmetic" set for my good characters (find a nice armor model; graft it onto an unbound, white-quality, sub-lv10 armor - so that it's cheap to graft and is infinitely tradeable; keep it to wear in town instead of my actual fighting gear; maybe someday it'll seem worth spending WAY too many diamonds to graft it onto high-end armor), and
2. Since I don't "endgame" much (grinding impossible-to-pug dungeons over & over? nah), I keep leveling new alts (try different builds, get more profession packs from Neverdeath, etc). Which means I have a moderately steady supply of the 4 random starter dye bottles.
...but trying to wear dyed, actually-functional armor, while leveling (not an in-town "cosmetic" set)? You replace stuff fast enough that you'd either be spending $20-30 a day on new dyes, or you'd be spending $20-30 a day to exchange for all the AD needed to keep grafting your dyed armor onto your replacement gear.
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I've seen at least a dozen. Keep in mind that a pure cosmetic item like this won't be used by most folks, just like 'social' outfits. The small minority of us that do like to make our characters look good have no problem with spending a few bucks.
Here's my main, L48 rogue. I've upgraded and redyed the armor twice in 20 levels. Also spent 80k AD to re-skin the weapons. I doubt if you'll see another rogue looking like this for a long time. And that's the entire point for 'vanity' items like dyes. Since I don't power-game and have little to no interest in PvP, having a distinctive appearance is my way to stand out from the crowd.
I've been saving things for reskinning, but not actually doing it yet because it seems so amazingly expensive and leveling gear is replaced so fast. And there's so many things you need AD for (including saving it up for dyes and costumes
Rift had a great dye system too! There were lighter shade dyes that were sold by vendors at very slow prices, and whenever I got new gear, I'd dye my armor to make sure they always matched. It wasn't the nicest color dye, but for low levels it was good enough!
Or like some already mentioned, Guild Wars 2's dye system was just plain awesome. Nice color dyes were rare drops and re-usable! Because of this, people always used'em and had fun with it!
But in Neverwinter, I have a few and they are just sitting in my bank. I don't want to waste'em! They are expensive and and I don't want to waste all my money re-applying dye to my levelling armor cause I upgrade gear all the time! Even at cap level it will be sorta irritating because let's just I just spend tons of dye, I look great, then I do a dungeon and win a new upgrade. Great now I gotta waste another dye on a new piece after I just dyed my armor an hour ago!
I know Cryptic needs to add money sinks to make money, but there are limits!
I paid $30 for a Wolf Mount cause it will last me a long time and I know it won't just die and disappear off my character with time. Dyes are consumables and since we change gear so often and we can never predict when gear will change, we're gonna be more careful when applying dyes and there will come a point where we will be too careful and end up never using'em cause we're just too afraid of wasting our money!
Different strokes for different folks I guess. I think I'm leveling one, sometimes two times a day, and I don't play 7 days a week. Also got two alts in the 20's slowly advancing. I figure at maybe another month before my main character hits 60 (or it might surprise me and only take a couple more weeks), just because I'm not focused on leveling but simply having fun.
Just a little side note in-case you didn't know.
"Blindness is a private matter between a person and the eyes they choose to use. For there are none so blind as those that do not listen dalharil"
in a game like d3 they were single use. i tended to wait until it was a really good piece or til i was max level. i did not try new things since there was a cost associated with experimenting.
Yeah, but you could just buy the basic colors from NPC shops. I was perfectly happy with keeping my archer in white/gold and my mage in pale blue.
Actually ArenaNet's FTP model is laughing at PWE.
Must've bought atleast 20-30 packs each of red/blue/purple & all sold a few minutes to a few hours after listing. Doubling monies when the going was good, now its not worth the time spent really.
I had done some tests with dyes in another thread, and if you place an undyed piece of armor in the spot where the dye would go, then yes the older armor's dye will copy onto the new skin, the item would be gone though, you'd still be using your old item with a new skin, with the old dye color... HOWEVER, it doesn't show this in the preview window until you actually spend the AD and do it.(I used 2 pair of pants and copied an undyed pair onto a dyed pair, the item models were the same on both though)
Alternatively, you could wear your new item, take your old dyed item, place it where the dye slot is, and it will slap the item's model along with the dye onto your new item, your new item's model will then look like your old item complete with dyes, but keep the new item's stats.
And for anyone who doesn't know the "dye packs" like nightmare dye pack and such, each 1 item contains 3 dye colors to go on all 3 dye channels of a piece of armor, sometimes its cheaper to buy the pack rather than a single color for dying say like, your pants black.
Confirmation.
"Blindness is a private matter between a person and the eyes they choose to use. For there are none so blind as those that do not listen dalharil"
Is it just me of does it only work sometimes and other times it just show a message saying no armor of this type???
When before the same process worked but now it say no armor of this type or something like that.
No one will buy dyes if this stays the way it is.
edit; i will also try the dye trick when i get a chance to play.
Ok PRO-TIP
Instead on right clicking drag old (dyed item) in to the dye slot and wala
It works but costs AD and it transfers the whole look from your old item to your new item with the new stats and the old dye (look)
This being said, I would totally buy packs of dyes.. and various other dyes if I could reuse them on other pieces of gear. until that happens I'm staying away from dyes.
First choice - Easiest: Lower the cost of the current dyes considerably. But sell much more expensive infinite use dye bottles as well.
Second choice - Harder: Keep the prices the same, but change the whole dye system mechanics. Instead of dying the gear, let us dye the slots. So anything we equip gets the colors set to what the slot has. But we still have to buy new dyes anytime we want to change colors.
I've had a fully dyed outfit since level 30ish. (actually more than one). Seen quite a few other folks too.
Cool. I have had the exact opposite experience; rarely seeing anyone with dyed armor.
On my first account I did dye my low-level gear before realizing that the dyes weren't actually going to be common drops somewhere later on. I color-coordinated everything with my character's hair.
Wow. Personally I have not noticed a single person below 60 in dyed gear.
I went for color coordination with hair AND eyes. Here's the progression. Middle pic is around level 30, last is 50 something. Current outfit is quite similiar.
But see the problem here? I haven't spend any real money on dyes until I hit level 60 and got a set of armor that I knew I wasn't just gonna replace in a few hours or a few days later! I don't want to spent 50 cents every few hours or day cause I upgraded a piece of gear and want it to match my outfit again! So I just spent less $money$ and only use dyes when I know it won't go to waste!
But what if dyes had more charges? Why not charge $10 to $20 for an infinite use worth of dyes that I could re-apply for as many times as I want? Wouldn't Cryptic make way more money this way? Players would spend $10 to $20 to buy the colored dye of their choice and then go on an armor coloring spree and look awesome as they level and whenever they get new armor! The game would look nicer too because you won't have players looking alike as they level up and travel around the world!
Anyways that's what I think. Cause I know Cryptic has to make money somehow, and I will buy many items and services, but not when it comes to expensive consumables! Dyes don't make me more powerful, they don't make me travel faster, they don't do anything to affect how I play the game, they just make me look nicer and that's where I draw the line to how much I'm gonna spend on a "vanity' item.
1. I've decided to make a "cosmetic" set for my good characters (find a nice armor model; graft it onto an unbound, white-quality, sub-lv10 armor - so that it's cheap to graft and is infinitely tradeable; keep it to wear in town instead of my actual fighting gear; maybe someday it'll seem worth spending WAY too many diamonds to graft it onto high-end armor), and
2. Since I don't "endgame" much (grinding impossible-to-pug dungeons over & over? nah), I keep leveling new alts (try different builds, get more profession packs from Neverdeath, etc). Which means I have a moderately steady supply of the 4 random starter dye bottles.
...but trying to wear dyed, actually-functional armor, while leveling (not an in-town "cosmetic" set)? You replace stuff fast enough that you'd either be spending $20-30 a day on new dyes, or you'd be spending $20-30 a day to exchange for all the AD needed to keep grafting your dyed armor onto your replacement gear.