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barofski
Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users Posts: 24 Arc User
I don't understand this mechanic... I have my 6% threat reduction with 20% sooth and I just toss 1 astral seal and pull agro off of every single thing during a boss fight! I get it if "big" heals draw agro, sure that makes sense but... if thats a big heal, what the heck is going on!?
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You are going to have to either accept that as a cleric you WILL be tanking adds constantly or pick a different class. I know a lot of people are not happy with that situation but it's just the way it is. Some of the later dungeons have over 10 adds out at a single time on boss fights and there just isn't a way for someone else to have aggro on everything in the room. You will actually get most of it most of the time.
Explain that one to me.
** My regeneration tick pulled agro **
-- also those imps move like 300% speed slow doesn't do anything if they hit me for 2k(x5) when I stop to cast a heal.
you are clueless
Please stop making excuses for poor mechanics people, so that Cryptic realizes that this is an issue and can create more enjoyable and even challenging encounters in the future.
| Lust | Level 60 Guardian Fighter 15.8k GS|
- Every add comes to me. DPS can't peel them
- I die a few times, until I can't be rezzed
- I watch from the campfire as the group kills the boss, using pots and NPC's to heal
I assume things may change at 50, with Astral Shield. I hope so.
AS helps a little but when YOU become the main tank... in epic tier stuff. It kind of sucks :-x
| Lust | Level 60 Guardian Fighter 15.8k GS|
A) things are faster then you
Well it might just be IMPs that are really annoying to deal with but I don't know.
1. Start building more defense. Unspecifiederror has a great guide on being a Healer/OT
2. Get a regular group to run with, or educate your DPS that adds should always be the priority in boss fights.
3. Stick close to your tank. I use the Crit/Rec build with Astral Shield and Forgemaster's Flame which keeps me alive, and allows my tank to draw aggro (most of the time) from adds.
It is frustrating to not be able to keep threat over the healer and in some cases dps that gets overzealous. Survive-ability is great - threat is a real problem. I would not like it to be easy but I would like Mark or additional tools to feel like they are making a difference.
Frankly, that should not be a spec Clerics get forced into. This is the cope mentality; when in fact, getting threat sorted out for group combat should have been done before OB. Honestly, the mechanic (while it has workarounds) is not well thought out.
I understand the mechanics of "if there is zero threat, a mob spawns and you get a tick on an HoT, you're the threat".
I really do.
What's not understandable is that, for every MMO with group-focused content, this has not been a problem. And the fact that this has gone uncorrected since BWE3 is simply unacceptable.
The white knights will roll on in and talk about how it's not broken, have your tank learn his class, etc. But any system that has Cleric on eternally threat level 10 on fresh adds is just... broken.
I'm trying to think of the most broken MMO I played for group dynamics at launch. I'd have to say it was probably Vanilla WOW, but AoC comes in a close second. And they had handled this issue by launch.
I get that it is an action MMO. I get that this action MMO doesn't require a dedicated healer. I get the role of a debuffer, I've played a number of these (and actually prefer that role to watching green bars). I just haven't seen threat this poorly thought out before.
I'm not calling the devs "stupid" or nerd-raging here. But the feedback was present WAY before OB, and it's pretty evident with a single group play through what the basic issue is. It needs to be addressed fairly quickly so that GWs become needed, Clerics don't have to spec off-tank feats and the system is fun, not punishing.
killing myself and running back was not an option, because the way is blocked by an impassable fire and teh circle taht sent you there stops working after the dragon dies.
i had reservations about giving cryptic money. i should have followed those instincts.
Tank: tanking big guys
Control Wizard: Controlling small stuff
DPS: Help out Control wizard, then the tank
with some room for spreading.
in other games that add this many add spawns during encounters and work with a holy trinity system, they have given tanks a 'guard' mechanics that can be tossed on someone to take most of their threat. this game needs this given to guardian fighters.
lol 35. you haventeven done the grey den or the dragon skirmish at 40 yet. you are still in the kindergarten of instances.
Why don't you add something productive?
productive how? by regurgitating what has already been stated? the dungeons before the grey den and pirates are nothing. speed bumps. do them and then tell me how well you are holding threat off of a cleric, then watch with the cleric as a duo of rogues solo's it for the group.
I do think that threat is not where it should be just yet but there are ways around it, it does however mean you need players with the correct mentality and not the mentality of having to be top DPS. I did record this video as well, but it will take me two hours to render it and an hour or two to upload it to youtube.
The problem is still that you'll wind up playing an AOE DPS specced GWF to get that job done, not the tankier Sentinel tree with all the threat generation feats. Threat is not an isolated Cleric issue, even if you try to cope with the current situation.
The threat issues need to be examined in respect to all classes so that players have more viable options in regards to class utility.
| Lust | Level 60 Guardian Fighter 15.8k GS|
That's great and sound, yet it doesn't address the issue that the Cleric shouldn't get as much aggro as it does now.
Since none have mentioned it: Do you remember to pull the passive skill down on you bar, so it become "active" ?
You can only have 2 passive skills "active" at the same time.
Ex: the guide here dont have Sooth "active" - so no reduced agro
link: The-Devoted-Cleric-Guide-to-Healing (picture halfway down)
You realize you just described the "action" in "A"RPG as running around in circles, right? So pretty much any game in which you run around in circles can be considered an Action RPG. By this definition this makes Vanilla WoW a MMO"A"RPG.
You probably think 4ed D&D is a good RPG.
Pretty much. I have a video in my cleric build thread, you can watch the adds melt and/or run to our GWF. He also leads damage on every dungeon pretty much lol