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I feel like a punchingbag against Wizards, I feel utterly useless [Rogue]
xykromax
Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 55
Well my fellow neverwinter gamers,
I really really enjoy the PvP but im having problems really being able todo something usefull ...
I feel as the title says a punchbag ...
I play a Trickster Rogue and yes they hit hard, now the problem is you gotta hit something to get it down well there is the problem ...
The way I see it is that a "Rogue" should go and down the Healers / Caster as a priority.
Well we get 1 stun which is utterly useless and pretty much never works, our Duelist Flurry is way to slow to get on the 3rd chain hit to make it really do something and pretty much everyone knows rogue use it so they just dodge the last hit.
Stealth is more or less useless in PvP as we can still be hitted, I dont mind AoE but even with 1 hit liners ...
Other then that we can be kitted around as monkey's running behind banana's.
Wizards have 3 dodges, rogue's only 2 ... they have an insane CC with very very short cooldown and on top of that they have the frost beam which can frostblock you also ...
Im build to make my stamina go up faster and to use less stamina when I dodge and I still cant get a 3rd dodge out of it in time.
There is just no way that you can down a Wizard Solo while they can just litterly nuke you down in 3 seconds ...
Now I dont really wanne cry out loud OP OP OP but something really needs to be done about it.
I really enjoy the PvP and feel like it could be really fun and exiting but when you counter atleast 2 Wizards in PvP you know you will loose cause you just cant take the dmg and the CC they put out
I really really enjoy the PvP but im having problems really being able todo something usefull ...
I feel as the title says a punchbag ...
I play a Trickster Rogue and yes they hit hard, now the problem is you gotta hit something to get it down well there is the problem ...
The way I see it is that a "Rogue" should go and down the Healers / Caster as a priority.
Well we get 1 stun which is utterly useless and pretty much never works, our Duelist Flurry is way to slow to get on the 3rd chain hit to make it really do something and pretty much everyone knows rogue use it so they just dodge the last hit.
Stealth is more or less useless in PvP as we can still be hitted, I dont mind AoE but even with 1 hit liners ...
Other then that we can be kitted around as monkey's running behind banana's.
Wizards have 3 dodges, rogue's only 2 ... they have an insane CC with very very short cooldown and on top of that they have the frost beam which can frostblock you also ...
Im build to make my stamina go up faster and to use less stamina when I dodge and I still cant get a 3rd dodge out of it in time.
There is just no way that you can down a Wizard Solo while they can just litterly nuke you down in 3 seconds ...
Now I dont really wanne cry out loud OP OP OP but something really needs to be done about it.
I really enjoy the PvP and feel like it could be really fun and exiting but when you counter atleast 2 Wizards in PvP you know you will loose cause you just cant take the dmg and the CC they put out
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No disrespect ment but I dont know how much PvP you played yet but atm the way it is we only stand a chance vs our only class or vs a GWF.
Ive had alot of fight and tried some bits here and there, respecced quite some times yet to try to push it a little bit but once you cross the path of wizard and even healers its over they just kite you to death ...
Might be that im talking rubbish but thats the way the game PvP rolls atm and im definitly not the only one talking about it ...
You think its normal 1 class can kill all classes with ease ?
Just to clarify this: I am not saying TRs need a nerf. I think it is too early to ask for them, for any class.
http://9gag.com/gag/aDAyvPK
Wrong if you target the healer first. Healers here can't keep anyone alive on their own so cc's should go down first.
Also no disrespect meant buy if you came to that conclusion you absolutely have no idea on how to play a TR properly. I would check for some guide and tips and tricks as you can pretty much demolish every class in an arena and quite easily actually. Now the trend is saying CW is OP , I still defend it's the TR that is OP , even more after trying it for a while. But CW cc's are absurd too I admit.
I think you also might be overlooking that an arena match isn't 1 vs 1. If I was alone on my main cleric against a TR I would get demolished in seconds, but fortunately I'm smart enough to get near my teammates.
I'm not sure if you're serious, or trolling..
I play TR, and don't see what you're describing at all.. Perhaps you're not using all the tools at your disposal. We have stealth, which will allow us to initiate combat on our terms.. And from stealth our Stun/daze is almost unavoidable. I'm not sure why you use duelist flurry, IMO the animation locks you in place too long, making you an easy target.
There's the daily power that allows us to break cc. We have Encounter powers that place us immediately behind a target, making it hard to kite... There are feats that dramatically reduce the cooldown on out encounters.
If you truly do feel TR are so underpowered perhaps you should try a GF or even better a GWF - I am sure that (one way or the other) this will sort out your issues with TR being underpowered
lvl 18 now but...
Ive had 0 issues, I mean hell I can tank a wizard while being attacked by another class and still down the wizard before I die (probably 50% hp) left.
I only met opne tank who could actually tank me in 2-3 hours of pvping last night.
Rogues seem find you just have to play them correctly. Honestly you should be chilling until your OP is reaching 50% hp, then sealth up and roflstomp him / continue
At the moment we have new players like me, (new to this style of action rpg and AD&D) up against closed beta veterans running up their fifth alt. No wonder my shiny new derriere feels like it's had handles fitted to it sometimes. All that means is I have to get better. I hate calls for class nerfs in the games I play anyway. You just can't balance them all and sometimes the attempt, usually made by programmers without the in depth experience of actually playing what they're nerfing, just makes a class worse.
I also resent investing time and resources in a class just to have developers fundamentally transform it into something else. Like what has happened to hunters in LOTRO over the years. It's just bait and switch. By all means tweak, but by the time a product reaches the stage where you are taking people's money, then you can tweak a class but not change it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7ZmBCrUR2o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Ojdd13XAKw
lvl60 pvp videos to come!
The game will need some tweaking but I still contend those tweaks need to be carefully thought out and probably better left until more people are 60.
You might want to rethink that. Leaving a cleric unchallenged is going to lose you the fight.
Dorlin: Level 65 GF/2nd Account: Calias/62
Elkysium: Level 65 CW/2nd Account: Krystalyn/62
Artemis: Level 65 TR/2nd Account: Fayne/62
Zantoth: Level 65 DC/2nd Account: Nemea/62
Kryndar: Level 65 HR/2nd Account: Lilith/62
Goreb: Level 65 GWF/2nd Account: Tysha/62
Bamidor: Level 65 OP/2nd Account: Valindra/62
Edit: I've only played a few pvp games with the TR and I love the mobility and utility it has. Nearly unstoppable, however, CW tend to **** your day right up. I find the PvP very balance and as someone said before, it is very team oriented. I'm sure at higher levels the 60 gear and builds that are pieced together make some roles more 'overpowered' than others, but that's essentially any game.
Well, if all can be tagged sure, but I stand by my option. I'd rather have a pesky CW down than a DC , if I have to choose a first down.
No people start asking for balance. If it takes nerfs for it to be balanced so be it. Read point 2.
I stopped reading here. No seriously it's not, putting it blatantly you either have no clue and just skip from target to target in pvp or you are delusional. Pick the one you feel more comfortable with.
PS By balance I don't mean give GF's same dmg as TR's, I just mean (and since we don't have REAL healers here) that you can compete on somewhat equal ground. If you have a DD that deals tons of dmg more than any other classes and there are no healers , well it isn't a great balance now is it?
At 60, it is who has clerics that wins the games. They are a bit OP imo. A cleric with improved foresight, astral shield, cleanse, and then a hallowed will absolutely keep an entire team free from harm. It is like throwing rocks at a tank.
By this statement, you are delusional. Here's a clip about why you bring a knife to a nuke fight.
Seriously, DC don't do much damage, but they can CC and save the day. CW do ok damage, but their CC can totally ravage rogues when played well. Damage numbers aren't iWin. Never has and never will. A good example are the PvP videos from Vanilla WOW feral druids. They take a while to defeat their opponents, but they win more often than not.
PvP is all about control and lockdown. That wins more PvP fights than any amount of damage dealt. Period.
Oh, cut me the HAMSTER with stupid examples...
never, never and i mean EVER have I found such a gap between dmg in dungs and pvp. Listen to the wise words of some here instead of just rolling with the clueless flock.
I dunno if you play a TR but if you don't further down the line you WILL get frustrated if they don't balance things out.
But , hey you opinion is your opinion, wanna keep it , go ahead.
And btw I never said all DD in a group comp would win most matches in any game. I just said it happens in this game.
Wait until you're at LEAST 45.
Also, I am 43, and i've been able to nuke down level 47-49 wizards easily. The key is getting the jump on them, and doing your best to land your daze. Burn your daily as well. Be sure to equip the CC breaker encounter if you really hate playing against wizards.
Here's the deal with TR's. They are at the top of the food chain in ONE ON ONE combat. They have no AoE's to speak of and few stuns. They are good at one thing. Beating down one person - preferable from stealth or behind. In that, they excel and are (rightly so) at the top of their chain.
As someone pointed out, PVP is not ONE ON ONE. Consequently, TR's must be EXTREMELY selective about what fights they choose and how they choose them. If you even go on 2 on 1, you will most likely get creamed... especially 2 casters. It's basically like fighting two end bosses at the same time... only with MUCH better AI.
In addition, you need to be properly spec'ed JUST for PVP in order to do your best at it. The techniques that make TR's great dps (stealth, dummy, etc.) don't work the same (if at all) in PVP because players are much better and much more unpredictable than the game's AI mobs.