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  • dixa1dixa1 Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 4 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    timm4444 wrote: »
    Months?


    Yesterday I farmed 19k rough AD in a hour. . .

    and if it takes months thats fine. . . you're still paying, just in time not money. . .


    And you don't need every sparkle pony to enjoy the game. . .Unless you are a collector

    highly suspect number imo. i find it unlikely you picked up from the npc's and then finished all of the dailies in a single 60 minute session, let alone anything else.
  • archanjo17041985archanjo17041985 Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    this game is NOT pay to win. trust me. i played mmos since 1998 , i know a pay to win when i see it ( aion , runs of magic , the upcoming dragon's prophet never trust runewaker ) , allods. e.t.c e.t.c.
    i am only level 30 i bought guardians pack and in 30 levels i made 550.000 AD. almost in 1 million without spendind 1 cent.
    you just need to focus om your main goal. if it is have AD there is PLENTY of things you can do to get them. and my friends on 60 say that they make double as i do at level 20 / 30. if i made 550k in 30 levels i dont see the pay to win .
    if some 1 says its pay to win it i because he / she made it pay to win, not the developers.
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  • coldfusion1122coldfusion1122 Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 8 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    this game is NOT pay to win. trust me. i played mmos since 1998 , i know a pay to win when i see it ( aion , runs of magic , the upcoming dragon's prophet never trust runewaker ) , allods. e.t.c e.t.c.
    i am only level 30 i bought guardians pack and in 30 levels i made 550.000 AD. almost in 1 million without spendind 1 cent.
    you just need to focus om your main goal. if it is have AD there is PLENTY of things you can do to get them. and my friends on 60 say that they make double as i do at level 20 / 30. if i made 550k in 30 levels i dont see the pay to win .
    if some 1 says its pay to win it i because he / she made it pay to win, not the developers.

    How is aion (NA) P2W and not neverwinter when both game use the "pay or grind for months" method? Your bias is showing

    Atleast in aion NCsoft didn't put a cap on how many kinah you can farm a day. Unlike neverwinter
  • mandodo69mandodo69 Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users, Silverstars Posts: 6
    edited April 2013
    I haven't played the game yet (waiting for the 30th) but having read some of your posts today I have the impression that you're one of the few people in here that has any clue about what he's talking about:). It's good to hear that extreme farming is not needed in order to obtain things that other people pay for with real money anyway
    He's right. farming is not needed. I got 15k AD yesterday by doing dailies and events. Maybe took 2 hours out of my day to do it. And you can do it everyday lol.
  • mandodo69mandodo69 Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users, Silverstars Posts: 6
    edited April 2013
    How is aion (NA) P2W and not neverwinter when both game use the "pay or grind for months" method? Your bias is showing

    Atleast in aion NCsoft didn't put a cap on how many kinah you can farm a day. Unlike neverwinter
    I smell a troll who has not even played the game yet.
  • mandodo69mandodo69 Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users, Silverstars Posts: 6
    edited April 2013
    dixa1 wrote: »
    highly suspect number imo. i find it unlikely you picked up from the npc's and then finished all of the dailies in a single 60 minute session, let alone anything else.
    No hes right. The event for skirmishes has ad gain as well as it being a daily. I had a level 9 character do the Blacklake skirmish during the hour long event for ad, and got 6k ad for just that alone. Within that hour. The Blacklake Terror Skirmish takes about 5 to 10 minutes to complete for the first skirmish of the game. Also the tabs next to the mini map are the events. In game if you hit "K" and click the "Home" tab you can see all the upcoming events at the bottom. You have dungeon delve events and pvp events and foundry events that all give ad, xp, gold, glory, etc. Just wait till tomorrow. You will see lol.
  • coldfusion1122coldfusion1122 Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 8 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    mandodo69 wrote: »
    I smell a troll who has not even played the game yet.

    Unless something massive changed since the march closed beta then what i said is true. I made it to 40'ish then i found out about the AD daily refinement cap and closed the game

    so, again. What make Aion P2W and not neverwinter?
  • psiwuffpsiwuff Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    Well, after looking at a few things, I wouldn't call it p2w just yet, but it is definitely pay for massive advantage. Lets list a few things:
    - crafting is impossible to keep up with your character level, even if you use the gateway, unless perhaps you buy some profession asset packs and trade the blue workers for the ones you need
    - the AD store is ludicrous. with a 24k per day refining cap, it takes 83 consecutive days of maxing the cap (no small feat either) to get ONE of those 2mil items
    - you can buy AD for real money, thus you can effectively buy your endgame purples, but at least you can still earn them

    Granted for the AD prices, maybe i just need to use the auction house a bit more and sell crafted stuff, maybe that way the AD will flow faster. But right now, self-leveling your crafting is an excersize in futility to be sure. I'm already a good 5 levels behind where I should be, and I'm almost running tasks 24/7 via the gateway.
  • drogmardrogmar Member Posts: 17 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    There will always be Incentives to buy but thats what they are Incentives .Its impossible to make and run a game for absolutely nothing .Every one seems to think if theres a cash shop its P2W cryptic could have easily placed a purchase price on this game tons would have paid for it and tons did look at the founders packs .Everywhere you look you see people complaining about how its not free
    to play.No initial cost if you want to play no monthly sub and probably one of the best cash shop models out there right along with GW2 full of incentives for convienence/cosmetic even buying the keys for chests have a chance at a better pay off in NW .You want restrictive play look at sonys eq an eq2 models or DDO or SWTOR with their heres some gear and some stuff you can sell as well.You can even earn the premium currency in NW just by providing your time correct me if im wrong but NW and GW2 are the only ones out there providing that option.Its sad to see so many of my fellow gamers that just want everything handed to them on a silver platter and are quick to say its a pay to win game just because it has a premium currency .NW is P2W though thats PLAY TO WINthose of you who are enjoying the game at this moment know that
  • pinchyskriipinchyskrii Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    You have to spend money to open some lockboxes, so there's a small pay to win element there.
  • pixeldogpixeldog Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    fooxieee wrote: »
    I don't want to start another thread...

    When is a game pay to win? For me, it's when you can get an advantage ingame by using real money. It's an advantage to get better items earlier or easier than everyone else.

    For exalple:

    Player1 dont want to use real money. Instead he farms and get pretty decent items.
    Player2 want to use real money. He use real money to get BETTER item than what player1 got.

    Now they go PvP.
    Advantage? Imo yes

    Good thing you cannot get PvP gear with real cash or AD then :P
  • pixeldogpixeldog Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    You have to spend money to open some lockboxes, so there's a small pay to win element there.

    Nah you can convert your hard earned AD to zen then buy your keys without ever dropping a dime of your own cash.
  • naztnazt Member Posts: 2 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    I just really hope this game doesn't try to implement the cash shopping model they used in Perfect World. They would put things on sale and then have them even cheaper the next week, <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> over all the people who already threw their money at the game devs.
  • ohrobinvanpersieohrobinvanpersie Member Posts: 16 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    - you can buy AD for real money, thus you can effectively buy your endgame purples

    Oh wow, is this true? I'd been looking forward to this game, but now my enthusiasm just vanished completely and I may not even download it tomorrow. Can you really mastercard your way to endgame gear? If that's the case, I won't waste my time -- this game will go the way of all those other piles of garbage that launch and are immediately forgotten as 98% of players quit after two weeks. Please tell me the game is not just 100% cash grab nonsense. Will developer greed kill another MMORPG? Sigh.
  • dixa1dixa1 Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 4 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    mandodo69 wrote: »
    No hes right. The event for skirmishes has ad gain as well as it being a daily. I had a level 9 character do the Blacklake skirmish during the hour long event for ad, and got 6k ad for just that alone. Within that hour. The Blacklake Terror Skirmish takes about 5 to 10 minutes to complete for the first skirmish of the game. Also the tabs next to the mini map are the events. In game if you hit "K" and click the "Home" tab you can see all the upcoming events at the bottom. You have dungeon delve events and pvp events and foundry events that all give ad, xp, gold, glory, etc. Just wait till tomorrow. You will see lol.

    the first skirmish is fast. later ones are not. that one in the mid 20's is a good 30 minutes
  • dixa1dixa1 Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 4 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    Oh wow, is this true? I'd been looking forward to this game, but now my enthusiasm just vanished completely and I may not even download it tomorrow. Can you really mastercard your way to endgame gear? If that's the case, I won't waste my time -- this game will go the way of all those other piles of garbage that launch and are immediately forgotten as 98% of players quit after two weeks. Please tell me the game is not just 100% cash grab nonsense. Will developer greed kill another MMORPG? Sigh.

    it is true. it was true in sto where you could pay real money, buy keys, sell those keys and use the credits to buy lockbox ships from the auction house. that was the cheapest way

    here however the auction house also runs on diamonds. i expect the exchange rate to maintain 350:1 or higher for the forseeable future, which would mean 24,000 diamonds will be equal to about 68.5 zen.

    for most of this year until just recently when a coupe of dil exploits were discovered with a foundry exploit (so now people have 5 or 6 characters with milions of unrefined dil they just refine every day) the exchange rate in sto wsa 85:1, making 8000 dill worth 94 zen. right now it's about 110:1, or 72 zen per day.

    basically at most excpect to make 50-80 zen per day farming the max diamonds on one character. for the employed one character is about all they will do. for the unemployed it will be worth it to do this on multiple characters, staying as low level as possible to use the fastest skirmishes. it seems hit or miss if you get anything from invocating - i've gone the last 11 hours with no diamonds.
  • incendi0incendi0 Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    mandodo69 wrote: »
    You have dungeon delve events and pvp events and foundry events that all give ad, xp, gold, glory, etc. Just wait till tomorrow. You will see lol.
    Do you get pvp Glory points only from pvp events, or do you earn them from pvp kills, winning, losing, just participating in pvp, or some other mechanism....?
  • thevlakathevlaka Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    3 currencies is wrong.
  • jnaathrajnaathra Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    When you say you can't earn weapons through the cash shop isn't that just some technicality you are slipping past people.

    You open keys to get things outa boxes.
    Boxes give you trade bars.
    Trade bars get you purple weapons.

    Thats the same thing as buying it from the shop.
    Scout Tragold - "I haven't lived this long by being brave... it's just another word for stupid."
  • werealchemistwerealchemist Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    Omg QQ moar!!!! Don't like it? Then don't play it !!! Quit your *****ing and go play WoW!
    now get the **** off our forums!!!n
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  • kdevillkdevill Member Posts: 1
    edited April 2013
    jnaathra wrote: »
    When you say you can't earn weapons through the cash shop isn't that just some technicality you are slipping past people.

    You open keys to get things outa boxes.
    Boxes give you trade bars.
    Trade bars get you purple weapons.

    Thats the same thing as buying it from the shop.

    And if that's not the same thing then selling zen for in-game currency to buy everything in that way sure is.
  • kdevillkdevill Member Posts: 1
    edited April 2013
    Omg QQ moar!!!! Don't like it? Then don't play it !!! Quit your *****ing and go play WoW!
    now get the **** off our forums!!!n

    Woah man somebody obviously hurt you on a deep and personal level. It's gunna be alright, let's just calm it down.
  • townherotownhero Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    Already is pay to win. Anyone that thinks buying xp is not pay to win is a lazy POS lol
  • akikisaragiakikisaragi Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    I mostly agree, I just take exception to comments which say things such as "thats all there is to it." Anytime someone says that it just says to me that they aren't prepared for a serious discussion.

    That is all there is to it. P2W is just someone's delusional reasoning to simply ***** because there's a cash shop regardless of the fact it sells absolutely nothing that gives anyone any real advantage. Mounts are p2w, bags are p2w, oh wait, character renames are p2w too! Oh and the stones, hey they are p2w in pvp, oh wait they don't work in pvp soooo as I said, p2w only exists in the minds of those who are mad because cash shop has things they want and don't want to spend money on it to get it.
  • kdevillkdevill Member Posts: 1
    edited April 2013
    townhero wrote: »
    Already is pay to win. Anyone that thinks buying xp is not pay to win is a lazy POS lol

    lol now this is just being a brat.

    Small exp boosts aren't p2w in any way. >.>

    Pay 2 Win = Any major character upgrade available for real life currency that is not at least moderately easy to obtain otherwise.
  • starkaosstarkaos Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    How is paying with time or cash P2W? Some people have lots of time, but no cash while others have lots of cash and no time. Seems like a satisfactory arrangement for both groups. Considering Cryptic's stance on making very rare equipment not very rare at all, it doesn't matter if people can buy purple level 60 weapons as long as they don't have better stats than other very rare level 60 equipment. Nightmare weapons might have a cool demonic look (haven't seen a picture of them yet), but that does not make them P2W. With Ardent coins, I can outfit all my characters in Drake Seal equipment or whatever it is called without any serious effort except praying once a day on each character. Might take a few months, but it is possible.
  • townherotownhero Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    Oh you are right. I should pay money to skip the games content and quests by paying money to repeat 1 quest all day for an OP amnt of xp.

    Sounds like an idiot with to much money and perfect world is just the company for you lol.

    You may not care what pay to win stuff is in this game. You may not personally care if sold xp is pay to win. Facts are facts. If you can buy advantages its pay to win and this game is so littered with exactly those types of sales. To say it is not....well you know your brain is broken...
  • hanskisaragihanskisaragi Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    Stop listening to people who dont know what they are talking about
  • thevlakathevlaka Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    its not the p2w aspect (if there is any) it's more how everything is reliant on players spending real money to do the most mundane things like posting on the AH, respecs, buying items etc
    Yes you can earn AD from invoking your deity but thats gives such a minuscule amount it'd take a non paying player ages to amass enough AD just to consider posting things on the AH.

    PWE would be smart to allow players to exchange gold for AD and make the exchaning of AD to Zen less convoluted and more simple. Let players transfer their currency account wide and stop being a money hungry vulture.
  • moodaymooday Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users Posts: 54
    edited April 2013
    thevlaka wrote: »
    its not the p2w aspect (if there is any) it's more how everything is reliant on players spending real money to do the most mundane things like posting on the AH, respecs, buying items etc
    Yes you can earn AD from invoking your deity but thats gives such a minuscule amount it'd take a non paying player ages to amass enough AD just to consider posting things on the AH.

    PWE would be smart to allow players to exchange gold for AD and make the exchaning of AD to Zen less convoluted and more simple. Let players transfer their currency account wide and stop being a money hungry vulture.

    You can get AD in many ways, not just Invoking.

    And you know the reason why they don't let you convert Gold to AD to Zen? Because of the market it creates for gold sellers. This is a free to play game, meaning it's a lot easier for sellers to get into the game and farm, ruin the economy, make a dump truck of money and effectively ruin exchange rates for the rest of legit players - thus making the only effective way of buying Zen a visit to a shady 3rd party website that may/may not steal your credit card number and/or game account.
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