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Buff/Change "Mark" please!
sixko1
Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users Posts: 30
Whats your guys take on the GF tab ability "Mark"?
I really find it lacking and soooo boring!
All of the other classes have really cool tab abilitys and the GF gets this?
I rarely use it while soloing as it seems kinda useless, its effect is hardy noticable and it gets removed to easily.
I might be good while tanking in a group seeing as it gives more agro, but again...it is removed to easily.
This skill REALLY needs some love if you ask me.
I really find it lacking and soooo boring!
All of the other classes have really cool tab abilitys and the GF gets this?
I rarely use it while soloing as it seems kinda useless, its effect is hardy noticable and it gets removed to easily.
I might be good while tanking in a group seeing as it gives more agro, but again...it is removed to easily.
This skill REALLY needs some love if you ask me.
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The main purpose of this skill is not damage but to increase threat. So in a solo situation, yes, it is weak. However, with points put into it, it not only deals damage and additional threat, but any damage you deal to the target while marked will produce twice the threat. If you're looking for raw damage output, you're barking up the wrong tree.
However, with all that said, good luck keeping hate from one of those half-baked GF wannabe companions. As far as I can tell, whenever they exist it causes 18 septillion hate to everything in the zone. Too bad that's not an exaggeration.
It doesnt need to do a bunch a damage but it needs to do something that is actually noticable both while soloing and grouping.
Compared to the other classes tab abilities "Mark" is really lacking and boring as hell.
Threat seems kinda iffy aswell but thats a whole other discussion, especially those tank companions as you say
I wonder if the GF companion's shield has a big all "Your mother smells of elderberries" sign on it's shield. If it does, can I get one too?
I don't know what level you got to, but you will like it later, for sure.
Toons:
New: CW Level 60
GF = Level 60
DC = Level 60
TR = Level 60
I only got to level 27, so you are saying it some how gets better later on? In what way?
It doesn't really get better but of course enemies do.
You'll be asking for more threat powers later, honestly, it really is nice for your group if you can keep all the threat/aggro at all times.
For me i found the skill useful, especially when clerics are around.
Toons:
New: CW Level 60
GF = Level 60
DC = Level 60
TR = Level 60
While reading the DC forums I saw some DCs say threat issue with their class was fixed and some say it wasn't fixed but a bit better. Any GF notice how threat was, I mean in BW3 it was almost impossible to recover in the last boss of LotMD is the cleric pulled most of the mobs on the last boss fight. What was it like in BW4?
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Im sure it will be nice for some additional threat. The thing that really bugs me though is that compared to the tab abilities of the other classes "mark" seems quite bad
Are you talking about the one that returns 1/2/3% damage depending on how many points you spent in it? Yeah, that one seems pretty horrible aswell
Well it was definitely better. Though to be honest, in big groups the cleric I played with all weekend got aggro from the weaker mobs a decent amount..though it could be because she didn't use any Aggro reducing powers/feats lol. The one big pain in the butt was the companions..The tank companions did a ton of aggro, really hard to pull a mob off...also annoying that people would bring a tank companion into the dungeon -_-
I'm guessing a lot of folks got the tank companion for solo use, and don't want to spend 2 gold on another companion.
Good point, Also the Mark ability does not even fit the 4E mark ability.
In 4E You auto marked any monster you attacked. And marked monster suffered additional attacks for ignoring you, such as walking away or attacking an ally.
It seems like they made the Mark ability the GF Fighters Tab ability because they had nothing else to put there.
Why isn't the GF Tab ability Block? And why do they not have any Stamina move like every other class.
Because your shift ability is your damage avoidance ability. The wizard has a teleport, the rogue has the dodge, the cleric has the electric slide, the great weapon fighter sprint, and we have our shield.
The Mark skill now lowers the resistance of your marked target and generates twice as much threat. After several hits you WILL gain the marked targets attention and it will be locked in on you. However, our AoE Enforced Threat skill is a taunt that basically gets all affected targets attention and you gain aggro immediately. Knight's Challenge works the same as Enforced threat but it is single target only and it involves an immediate notice from the target.
As I mentioned at the beginning of my post I feel the skill works great now but is still missing something minor. Maybe if they brought Mark up to par with Knight's Challenge and Enforced Threat and adjust Mark to where it actually snaps the marked target to you instantly instead of having to build threat up over several attacks.
Thanks for reading guys and gals.
As mark is currently it is not to be used as a Taunt but rather a quick aggro builder.
Enjoy!
This. The tab marking seems more in line with 4e paladin marking not fighter. They should just roll mark into at-will attacks for GF, say into cleave for multi marking, but with a short duration so u would need to reaply it every so often.
Then change tab to a super threat stance, that gets more aggro but enemies do more damage. Or maybe a DPS stance similar to GWF but instead of faster attack GF would get just more power and less defense. Rename it recklesness
This is a PVE based game, PVP just about always ruins it for PVE players in all MMo's.
Plz! Don't turn it in another PvP VS PvE topics...
1) the casting animation is too slow for the effect it provide. For that casting time i prefer and AOE mark with a low\medium CD; or the spammable single target mark, with a very fast casting time(or with no animation at all). The actual version is very boring to use.
2)compared with the other tab classes, is weak; on dungeon our guard dont last very long, and with this, our Marks dont last very long. its just difficult to mantain the multiple marks provided by enforcing treath and treathning rush, that using this skill is just annoying(at least for me)
3)No other use except for threath generation and only if you pick enhanced mark. Without this power use a mark is useless.
For me the mark mechanic and the tab specific power needs to be revised a bit.
Marks should last for more than just a hit, ESPECIALLY the one from tab: there's almost no reason why it shouldn't be a permanent mark (it has no cast time, low cooldown), and should as noted rightfully also debuff the mob in some form without additional talents/feats.
This is an open beta. Start treating it like one.
It is too easily taken off of a mob, and its effects are negligible compared to other class tab abilities.
It is sad between 15 to 35 how the tank companion just has golden aggro no ones can steal him the aggro. So for this sole reason, i think Gf threat before 35 is problematic and could be improved, it's not like it's intend he shouldn't have the threat to tank if a companion can do it hundred of time better. The mark could be a good starting point, maybe they only forgot a 0 somewhere ^^.