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juiceboxjunky
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First, let me say I enjoy the style that Neverwinter has chosen for the cleric. Heals through damage is a lot of fun. Not sitting back and playing whack-a-mole with health bars is refreshing. That being said, I do have some concerns.
1. Agro- If you are in the same room as a monster and "think" about casting a heal, the entire room swarms on you like a pinata at a childrens party. Your poor confused tank is then left hitting the badies on the back of the head, hoping one of them will notice him.
2. Small heals/big potions- I do not expect an I win button of healgasmic doom. I would like to be a bit more important in a group then a potion you can buy for a few silver. Add in the fact that there will be cash shop potions that heal you to full and I am left confused. Why was I invited to this party again? Oh that is right, we needed a pinata. Candy tastes good and all, but I want to be a healer.
3. 50 percent smaller heals on self- I get why this is here, to keep the cleric from being the energizer bunny of Neverwinter. However with our heals being so small already, and us being the pinata of the party, we end up using far more pots then just about anyone else in the party. I do not know why anyone long term would want to do less damage, get hit more, and have to pot more then anyone else.
With the game being in beta, it is hard to tell what is a bug and what is intended. This makes it hard to put a finger on what exactly makes a ceric not "work". However most people who have played to 30 will tell you, the cleric is not really working right now.
Super fun concept. Somehow is just missing the mark.
What do you guys think?
1. Agro- If you are in the same room as a monster and "think" about casting a heal, the entire room swarms on you like a pinata at a childrens party. Your poor confused tank is then left hitting the badies on the back of the head, hoping one of them will notice him.
2. Small heals/big potions- I do not expect an I win button of healgasmic doom. I would like to be a bit more important in a group then a potion you can buy for a few silver. Add in the fact that there will be cash shop potions that heal you to full and I am left confused. Why was I invited to this party again? Oh that is right, we needed a pinata. Candy tastes good and all, but I want to be a healer.
3. 50 percent smaller heals on self- I get why this is here, to keep the cleric from being the energizer bunny of Neverwinter. However with our heals being so small already, and us being the pinata of the party, we end up using far more pots then just about anyone else in the party. I do not know why anyone long term would want to do less damage, get hit more, and have to pot more then anyone else.
With the game being in beta, it is hard to tell what is a bug and what is intended. This makes it hard to put a finger on what exactly makes a ceric not "work". However most people who have played to 30 will tell you, the cleric is not really working right now.
Super fun concept. Somehow is just missing the mark.
What do you guys think?
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However, their heals really drop off in effectiveness at high levels, and the -50% to self healing + the wonky threat mechanic pretty much makes them dead meat past level 40.
I understand that it was a little imbalanced at lower levels (previously clerics would never have to take a single potion before level 20 or 30) but I don't think this is a good solution. They should just alter the scaling for all healing powers for a little less at lower levels and a little more at higher levels. And seriously, who gives a <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> if clerics are taking less 5cp potions for the first 4 hours of gameplay than another class - it was never worth taking the time to nerf.
I'm convinced that the aggro mechanic is simply bugged, and no dev would be stupid enough to purposefully implement such a punishing mechanic for a class that can't block while simultaneously nerfing their self heals.
I actually unslotted my self-heal that is 20-24 HP per tick, and slotted another DPS skill. So that gives me DPS that is on par with a guardian, except I'm squishy and don't have a shield. I was running back to the healing circle over and over...as a cleric...because of running low on potions.
So while MY CLERIC can't cast a cure serious wounds to save her life, I can BUY them in the store when I'm on the death screen. So I think this is completely stupid, and I quit playing.
Sure I drank a bunch, but was pretty happy with how I kept everyone else up
It levels up to 44, so I don't see many problems there either. Plus by the Paragon levels, if you really wanna heal, you have to go full Divine .... tons of synergy there for +heal%
I presume that the self heal nerf was aimed for the PvP launch, but its always difficult to balance that and not break PvE and vice-versa. (maybe that debuff could be on PvP maps only)
/confused about role now
Oh that's right - pinata!
The real healing = I average 553. I have Power of 861 (+35) Wis 23 (+17%) lv 35...
And pretty much that was the healing %, So it didn't make any sense the -50% drop they did.
I have a fairly strong feeling that is the total amount healed for duration of that HoT and not 'per tick'
I feel confident in my role as a healer, but the aggro is rediculous.
*runs from nerf bat*
Correct...
I spent almost all my money on pots.
I think the issue is not that healer aggro is broke, it is that it is stacking because when you toss a seal up on a mob and everyone is hitting it the heals are off the charts in small amounts. What I think is that the tanker/damage dealers need to actually pull more aggro to balance it out.
Several of the boss fights it was crazy, I would wait for a bit to let them get aggro, toss a seal up and boom I have the boss chasing me around for the rest of the fight and I am living on pots.
Love the class, and I especially love the tab-alt (divine) versions of the powers, I got a really good chance to try them all out and I can say this class is well thought out.
Just let the aggro guys actually 'get' aggro, or give them skills to actually pull the aggro or life will be tough for us clerics in group.
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Agree...agree..agree...Fix the healer to be a usefull helaer (i love clerics....i was a bit disappointed on cleric utility).
I know this is a jaded view, I do not have any issues with heal potions in the cash shop, I just hope they are not gimping clerics to boost those sales. I have not really see free to play games with a healer in game do cash shop heal potions well. Usually one or the other comes out on bottom. I am afraid it could end up being the cleric.
Again NOT a cash shop bash at all. Just a concern that this may be a battle between cash shop sales and class balance.
(yes I know people will not want to just spend hundreds of dollars on heal potions in cash shop, my concern is does PWE know that?)
That's my suspicion as well, we have a massive thread going on in Information and Discussion forum about this very thing.
However was this what you signed up for when you rolled a cleric? or like myself did you think you would contribute to the group by healing dammage, the classic role of a healing class. This mechanic as a whole seemed to work well at the lower levels, i can point to the plethora of low level clerics who love the class as evidence. In the end its that we simply dont scale to the content so we adapt to suceed. It will be curious to see how they react to the data they are collecting when the servers go live again.
In regards to Righteousness (-50% Healing on Self)
sounds like the devs all have different ideas no one can agree but they try to develop them all at once.
That about sums it up. This isn't a traditional cleric, there is some balance work need for it to make resemblance of being sensical. Will they get it right? I'm about 50/50 on believing that.
I can buy that method. Your meat and potatoes single target healer should be at least 20% of maximum health. If someone thinks that is too much, then I counter the enemies aren't doing enough damage. You HP meters should be bouncing all over the place, that is the second part of action combat. What is action combat if you don't take lots of damage and need to recover quickly? It's stale that is what it is. COH was amazing this way.
There should also be a huge single target healer on a much longer cool-down, 45-60 seconds. This is a life saving move that is tactically used.