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hopes1x
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So I've noticed that I'm the center of the universe to mobs in Dungeons + Skirmishes, and sometimes I barely even drop one HoT on a tank 2-3 seconds after combat has started.
Am I doing something wrong here? Do I need to let tanks build more aggro or something? I find the lesser creeps almost always attacking me and the tank has a somewhat small cooldown for his AoE taunt.
Perhaps I'm overlooking something, feedback appreciated! I was playing until 5AM so I was practically a zombie by the time I logged off.. /emote dance_zombie !
Am I doing something wrong here? Do I need to let tanks build more aggro or something? I find the lesser creeps almost always attacking me and the tank has a somewhat small cooldown for his AoE taunt.
Perhaps I'm overlooking something, feedback appreciated! I was playing until 5AM so I was practically a zombie by the time I logged off.. /emote dance_zombie !
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I would bet this is equally frustrating for Guardian Fighters who are wondering why the hell they are there to begin with if they do not have enough threat to be effective.
Yep, driving us nuts to no end....
I tested this as well with +power gear. Heals are in no way scaling with gear at this point.
The power to damage and heal conversion also seems very low, yet not affecting healing at least even with the low amount.
I hope they fix this in time for launch. Was hoping to play a cleric. This might prove to be a tad too much.
Well then, lets not face the gods with stories of fear and woes of our demise but of our indifferent arrogance, idiocy and dignity! But before I face certain doom, I should look to hire more meat shields so that my impending death will be delayed for a moment or two!
does anybody see the problem with the first sentance? clerics heal! any healing we do turns us into the hottest peice of *** on the field.
its not fun running around in circles waiting for the rest of the group to deal with the horde following you. and there was a guardian fighter in my group and a great weapon. we need hella less aggro, and most of my healing was via vampire-like healing.
Clerics can sustain healing and mitigate incoming damage much better than any potion. Potions are still necessary for "oh HAMSTER" moments of spike healing.
However, their heals really drop off in effectiveness at high levels, and the -50% to self healing + the wonky threat mechanic pretty much makes them dead meat past level 40.
I understand that it was a little imbalanced at lower levels (previously clerics would never have to take a single potion before level 20 or 30) but I don't think this is a good solution. They should just alter the scaling for all healing powers for a little less at lower levels and a little more at higher levels. And seriously, who gives a HAMSTER if clerics are taking less 5cp potions for the first 4 hours of gameplay than another class - it was never worth taking the time to nerf.
I'm convinced that the aggro mechanic is simply bugged, and no dev would be stupid enough to purposefully implement such a punishing mechanic for a class that can't block while simultaneously nerfing their self heals.
Getting agro as a tank absolutely sucks and is not enjoyable for anyone else in the group.
To be honest, it is more like gw2 right now where everyone just runs around and occasionally the boss may turn to hit the tank.
If there are other clerics with 3/3 reduced threat getting mad aggro, I'd be interested to know, because for me the cleric works fine now (it didn't during the first dungeon at 16).
I did this several times with similar results. The orc skirmish was beyond unbelievable, however; I had pulled aggro of ALL of them and was kiting them all in circles around the rest of my party members. They, meanwhile, were valiantly trying (and failing) to recover aggro. It was both hilarious and alarming as my cleric's heartbeat got louder and my screen got redder, and redder.... and I died. Several times. Just.... wow. (pot was on cooldown)
http://nw-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?99501-Heal-threat-wtf&p=1431891&viewfull=1#post1431891
That is part of the problem. at low levels, it's not that noticeable due to the mobs dying so fast. When u hit 35+ it's a completely different story. Almost as if u are playing two very different classes.
Beta's previous to this, the cleric could have been said to be "OP" compared to the other classes, however, the community did not get to test this cleric against the higher level content. Beta 3, where this higher end content is being stressed, and the changes they made to the cleric, are proving very daunting. Not criticizing the cleric build as is and the way in which this new cleric type heals <I love it> but, it is generating more agro than typical cleric builds in other mmo's, where the cleric builds HUGE agro, and the tank taunts to keep the mob/mobs away from the cleric and the clerics sole purpose is healing. This MMO the cleric generates so much agro from doing low healing, it's rendering the class useless, except to run mobs around.
I see a dungeon group being comprised of two rogues and three clerics. The rogues attack and kill the mobs, and the clerics play ping-pong with the mobs, pulling agro from each other until the rogues clear the room. Or, a group of just 5 rogues. Why bother with a cleric at all, just stock up on pots and devastate the room. The cleric won't be healing much passed the first wave of mobs anyways. After that, it's the conga line.