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Cleric to powerful
selonw
Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 258
Can outheal and kite 2-3 players in PvP with a cleric and have no way to catch up to them. Ontop of that, clerics have very powerful CC and good damage and can heal the group.
Feels a bit to powerful.
Feels a bit to powerful.
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Who is this "powerful" and why is Cleric attempting to contact him/her/it?
Also why would you know how this "powerful" feels?
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Flame Strike - massive AoE damage
Exactly. As long as you aren't trying to heal, clerics do fine in pvp.
But eh... that removes more than half of their effective spell list.
We aren't as powerful as you think. I almost die all the time I dungeons because I am not healing specced I have traited and geared for DPS so I have power and crit on my stuff mostly.
I don't want them to weaken my Clerics just for PvP unless it only effects PvP
Its not good if you can do all aspects at same time. clerics can heal, dps and cc at same time, not all in one spell ofcourse but its not like casttime is that long in NW.
Why the F*** do you make a comment then?
The heal is weak, the cleric is squishy, the dps is less than a rogue's dps yet the cleric has worse armour and defense. Being "able" to do all three BADLY doesn't make up for the fact that none of them are working well.
You must be useless at pvp. Clerics are the easiest to kill..."armour" "defense"...LOL....can't even heal themselves.
I doubt the cleric could outheal someone being focus-targeted by 3 people...strongly doubt this ever happened like you remember it...and also maybe you should try killing that cleric - I can guarantee the cleric will not survive - they can barely heal themselves if all they do is heal and pop potions, let alone heal and dish damage at same time.
Clerics are a free kill, both in pvp and in pve (pretty sure this is what the mobs say when they see us coming now).
I think most people parked their cleric up for BW3, gameplay was so horrible this weekend.
If beta were longer, i would have parked mine. I became jealous of my buddies control wizzie. People want to say clerics are OP. maybe in PVP, but in PVE, we simply suck.
I was watching control wizzies, rogues and GF's soloing in the solo area, tearing apart the groups with little problem. heck the control wizzie was doing so much damage from a distance, he was one shooting 75% of the mobs, leaving the "main" mob in each group with 50% life left, and the only mob to deal with. he'd then freeze, choke and nuke it. never took damage or very little.
Rogue simply annihilated everything and the GF just tanked and slashed, both classes being healed by their OP cleric companions.
Then there was me and the other solo clerics. Doing half the damage of the other classes, and doing half the heal amount to ourselves <which had to be less than half btw> . Soloing at 40+ as a cleric was a joke. fights with one group took forever and on top of that, I found no companion as a good compliment. best one was man at arms that would take agro from ONE of the mobs. Clerics can't one shoot mobs at this level, like all the other classes can. <not sure about gwf, didnt' see any 40+>
cleric needs to be changed. Either up the damage so we are useful, or up the heals. As it stands with beta 3 design, clerics suck compared to all the other classes.
every game that has worried more about balancing pvp has failed look at WoW as an example pvp kills games not saves them. 80% of the players of this game play it for the pve content and some of those look at pvp as a way to kill time waiting for friends to log to play with.
clerics are healers, they don't have attacks that can kill you in 1 hit, they don't have a butt load of stuns or knockdowns, they don't have anything that can trump you in pvp UNLESS they build themselves for pvp in the feats in which case they are useless in pve. if you can't defeat a cleric in pvp thats because YOUR not building your character for pure pvp and are fighting someone that has. if you fought a cleric that was built for pve you'd see a big difference in the fight. If you don't like the outcome of pvp because of this, don't pvp.
The GAME is mostly pve. This THREAD, however, is mostly pvp. If you don't like pvp content and think this issue is frivolous, go to a pve thread where you can converse with those you feel to be more sensible. Pvp is a relatively minor issue in D&D, but an issue nonetheless. Go spend time where you feel better and let us inferiors grind our wheels in pvp.
And in case you haven't noticed the butt-ton of posts.... We clerics are having a heck of a hard time building to be pretty much primarily healers, as you suggest we should be.
On the one hand, you sneer at games like WoW and GW. On the other hand, you seem to be tying a cleric to the usual stereotype found in WoW and GW.
MAKE UP YO MIND, MAN!
pvp is considered like crafting... its available but not necessary to play its something for players to do while you are not in pve.
if you want to fix pvp make a feat build for pvp only that would make a player worthless for pve you can't have the best of both worlds if you want to live in pvp you shouldn't be allowed to pve and visa versa.
I had to kinda redo my cleric, because I had it statted and geared for almost strictly healing. I had to change this. I'm now doing much better with heals and survivability in pve (contradictory as that may sound....) and also now much better in pvp. It's not an either-or. You're still stuck on stereotypical mmo's. This game seems a little bit out of the ordinary. Don't be so tied up in the old mindset. I understand we get "stuck in our ways" as we get a bit older, but... maybe we shouldn't.
And you seem to have a lot of your own sort of *game morals* or something where pvp and pve are concerned. I do not attend your temple. >.>
changing things in order to fix pvp always messes up pve.
the best idea is to make a feat path that is for PvP players like the ability to remove heals, add debuffs that make heals only work at 10% of power, more stuns, more knockbacks, slows, roots, reflect damage, all that sort of thing. If players decide to pvp and doesn't use that feat path they deserve to suck in pvp.