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This GAME will be Pay to win? I hope not
lefasix
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Many of the games that i have been playing lately, most of them are pay to win. I just think that's a little unfair when you have the skills but you dont have the money these days. I mean is ok a game that you could use money to buy things like costume, mounts or other stuffs that dont make you more powerful with money. Anyone know if this game will be pay to win? I have been waiting this game since NW2. But i played NW1 so long time and i get so addicted to the game, just because any of those games were pay to win. Everyone could have the same chance. I hope this one, the money dont make the difference between power and fun.
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And frankly I am not against items that give performance improvements in the shops. The game needs funds to continually add content, to maintain the servers, and to keep the game online. As there will be no box sales to support the future development, past development, and or any development at all, the cash shop, the founders paks, are all there is to support the game. IF someone wishes to spend their hard earned real life cash on virtual items to both support the game and give them some benefit if even over others, so be it, let them. I'm by no means rich and I may not eat for a month fur purchasing the HotN pak, but I at least know I helped in even a small way to support Neverwinter.
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In general Neverwinter isn't planned to be a "pay to win" game in which you can directly buy high-level gear with money (or something similar that directly boosts your character) and if you could, there would be a way to obtain that gear (or whatever it is) through gameplay. Of course that would mean to grind a bit for it like in every other MMO out there. As far as we know most store items should be convenience items like costumes, XP potions, mounts and the like. We don't have any specifics yet.
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There will always be complaints about it, whichever way you do it
How much money are we talking about here? and what games you have been playing which are P2W? some examples would be nice. People throw random 'This MMO is P2W" a lot now days.
In DDO you could 'buy' supreme books to enhance attributes by up to +4, I am not sure if these actual drop anywhere in the game.
I just hope they don't sell ingame money with real cash. This is ruining TERA with price inflation atm.
An example would be EQ2 these days. While, actually *getting* a powerful skill/item *would* be done in game (by means of a loot drop or the like), your character would not be able to utilize it unless/until you unlocked it (F2P characters are limited in the quality of skills/gear they can equip unless they purchase an unlock for that particular piece of gear or skill in the cash shop. Subscribers don't need to.)
What you described is a typical F2P model.
I was just asking for examples of P2W MMOS where you buy gear and weapons from cash shop to get an advantage over others in PVE and PVP.
That calculation might not be true. To maintain servers for 1,000 is cheaper than for 1,000,000
In the past we paid a monthly fee to play the game and bought the box.
Now some games only sell the box and then you can play for free, while selling stuff ingame which is optional. Additional to have a large userbase because they offer some of the content for free to everyone.
I prefer to buy the box and then no monthly fee above both, while having lots of people on the server who don't pay anything at all.
The players also changed a lot. In the past we were happy to pay some monthly fee because all the 'kiddys' stayed away. :P (this doesn't mean I endorse pay to play games but sometimes you really wonder about people you meet online, including myself after several beer
If you're worried about RM conversion, this game is nothing like GW2, GW2 uses RM conversion to change gems into gold, then they proceeded to nerf ALL of the loot in November and added DR so people can't get things simply by playing, if you're new to the game you might as well pony up 50$ per character to gear them because you're seriously going to be out of luck if you try to farm.
Cryptic has never used DR even before PW took over and even tho Zen is purchasable with real money, you can get plenty of currency in game without the need to spend 16 months farming for a set of armor.
I like to WIN.
*serious face*: In all seriousness, I generally like the way Cryptic does its Cash Shops and F2P. It isn't perfect and I have gripes, but nothing I can't live with. There has to be a balance between the usefulness of purchases and items of a purely cosmetic nature, or the game would never support itself, and there usually is. I have faith, but we won't really know anything for sure until launch, I think.
Well since none of Cryptic's other F2P MMOs are Pay to Win, I don't imagine that this one will be either.
Some people's version of pay to win extends to "I can't have anything I want as fast as someone who pays money".
This actually HELPS F2P players - especially in Cryptic games (more on that later) - because it results in more sales for the company and thus the "whales" who pay for a lot of boosts end up spending enough to bankroll the free players who contribute nothing. This means that they can give all the content to free players and you are never in a situation where you are grouped with someone and they can't do the content or their character is so inferior because they are F2P that you don't want to group with them.
With Cryptic games there is an in-game currency that is time-released for special items. You can do quests in Neverwinter that earn you Astral Crystals with X amount of crystals being earned per day. These crystals are valuable because you can buy gear with them, but they are also valuable because you can put them on auction to exchange for Zen (the pay-currency in the game). So you can get EVERYTHING in the game that pay-to-play people can get simply with Astral Crystals. The fact that there are people who spend money on them means that your exchange rate for crystals will be good and thus you can get more Zen for your time earning them.
It's a really cool system that strikes a balance between free and paying players. Personally, I spend about what a monthly subscription would cost on games I really like (Champions Online) and go completely free on games that I'm mixed about (Star Trek Online). I also earn "free" Zen by doing the surveys and some of the offers, etc. that Cryptic offers.
That's all probably pretty confusing at first, but if you just play and have fun you'll eventually get acquainted with the systems and see what a fine balance they've struck.
It's not a perfect system, for example, I think they'd do a lot better in Champions Online if they awarded one unrestricted character slot when a free player takes an archetype to 50 as this would show off what a free slot has to offer and would thus lead to more subs or more unrestricted slot purchases, but that's not really a criticism so much as a suggestion on how they could make their system even better.
Pay to Win - Very Few MMOs stay true "P2W" but they are out there, World of Tanks and it's "Gold Ammo" is the only one I can think of personally.
Overall I learned in StarTrekOnline, a Cryptic Game, if you really want something and have the time you'll get it eventually. If you don't have the time but have the money you get to use the short cut. If you have no time and no money I wonder why you're playing video games, but that's just me.
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This
PWE games are different story though :P
People dumped thousands in for gear enchanting and 'lotto boxes'. Respecs are paid and of course fashion/mounts, as expected
Granted, since the AH is tied to a currency that can be obtained via Zen .... there will be some gear purchased. Depends though, I can see far more AD in-game than Zen up for sale to begin with, thanks to the founder packs.
This is a good point, the ingame economy will be flooded with AD and the prices very high. PWE is the gold-seller in Neverwinter if you so will.
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False
Get your facts right.
Or you could just wait 2 months and get it for free. But of course you want everything now and want it for free too.
First, drow will be available 60 days after release...
Second, how is this relevant to P2W ? Dark elves are a hero race or something ? They are more powerful than other races and can kill stuff faster, better ? Did I miss something from the devs ?
lol :rolleyes:
And grinding for AD to sell on the exchange for ZEN doesn't change that it's paying for power, since someone has to buy that ZEN with real money.