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zylaxxzylaxx Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 591 Bounty Hunter
edited March 2013 in General Discussion (PC)
Well I am still steamed about this decision and I think in the long run it will hurt the company greater then they realize but I am still hyped for the game because it was fun but one thing I have come to grips with is I will not be playing a main character until Drow, so all my guildies and friends will have to wait for me. I refuse to enjoy a game only to have to do it all over because a much more immersive race is released.

So with that being said I have come to a new creshendo, instead of playing the game, I will devote the first 60 days to creating Foundry content (WITH LOTS OF DROWS...MUAHAHHAHA). I digress, considering the Foundry is the main thing I am interested in with this game, it stands to reason to go ahead and start earlier then expected with it. So in essence I suppose there are silver lining in everything....If you look hard enough!
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  • lsyalsya Member Posts: 10 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    I think your idea of focusing on the foundry is an excellent idea. The foundry is the part of this game I look forward to the most.

    I disagree on the Drow delay hurting the company though. 60 days will go by quickly, and then most people will have forgotten about it shortly after that point. New players won't even care.

    But, I look forward to your foundry quests. I too am going to focus most of my time there.
    L'sya Raiya
  • bruddajokkabruddajokka Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild Users Posts: 447 Bounty Hunter
    edited March 2013
    I'd actually considered delaying my MenzoGade Rogue for the sixty days, and level a Tiefling Control Wizard instead but think it'd be better to get it leveled.
  • ruinedmirageruinedmirage Member Posts: 440 Bounty Hunter
    edited March 2013
    Of course, without a HotN founder pack, you'll have to play the game long enough to get an anonymous character up to LV 15 in order to UNLOCK the Foundry, but I guess that's beside the point. If they change the XP rate for launch, you don't know how long that might take.
  • zylaxxzylaxx Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 591 Bounty Hunter
    edited March 2013
    Of course, without a HotN founder pack, you'll have to play the game long enough to get an anonymous character up to LV 15 in order to UNLOCK the Foundry, but I guess that's beside the point. If they change the XP rate for launch, you don't know how long that might take.

    Yea my plans will be to level my Alt to 15 to unlock Foundry then focus on Foundry missions for the first 60 days. I refuse to play an Alt to endgame before my main. All this could of been aleviated if Cryptic would of never published Drow as a playable race at launch. They had been saying that as far as last years conventions.
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    Character is what a man is in the dark
  • zeruinzeruin Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    From the title, I thought for a moment that this thread was going in a different direction from the countless other Drow raging posts. I was wrong.

    Regardless, if you truly manage to limit yourself to only level 15 out of spite and refusal to play your "main".. then I applaud your conviction and wish you well in the Foundry. Although, I doubt you will honestly stop at 15.. there is little or no reason to, and you're probably going to get hooked like the rest of your Drow brethren and play through these tough times.
  • kormaikormai Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users Posts: 91
    edited March 2013
    From as far as i heard they wont change the xp rate, can be wrong though.
    So in that case you'll be lvl 15 fast.
    Also why not get your alt higher up and keep equipment so you can lvl your main faster?
  • harekazeharekaze Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users Posts: 122 Bounty Hunter
    edited March 2013
    I love the fact that there's no drow race at the start, it will give us renegades a head start on our path to glory. :D
  • thundoarthundoar Member Posts: 12 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    My lore isn't exactly up to scratch, so forgive me for this. If the whole idea of neverwinter is about heroes coming together to help restore what once was, why the heck would the regular drow care and want to help their surface counterparts?
  • zagemoggazagemogga Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    harekaze wrote: »
    I love the fact that there's no drow race at the start, it will give us renegades a head start on our path to glory. :D

    I primary bought the Hero kit for access to the Moonstone Mask private area, respec token, bag of holding etc. These Renegade Drows would only be of interest if the Tieflings get no more customisation for their horns, at least you can pretend to be a little evil other than Drow who abandon their kind to ally with the humans etc. :)
  • deathsremnantdeathsremnant Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 185
    edited March 2013
    Swear kids love to whine...Using a "race" as incentive for purchases is great since its a purely cosmetic gaming item...Something EQ has done for years with its F2p Model. "Will hurt the company more then they know..." Why because less then 1% of the players want to whine on forums and will most likely still spend money on the game after said whining is done?...Ok, Bet they're shaking in their boots.

    On top of that Cryptic isn't just having certain races as cash shop only (which other games have done with good success) They are only having the race availability timed...So even if you don't want to pay 1 penny on this game you will still have access to said race after a short amount of time.

    Honestly if you cant enjoy this game for the simple reason of not being able to play 1 race out of the half dozen races to choose from...I'd feel no loss if you left entirely. =/
  • keirkinkeirkin Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    Of course, without a HotN founder pack, you'll have to play the game long enough to get an anonymous character up to LV 15 in order to UNLOCK the Foundry, but I guess that's beside the point. If they change the XP rate for launch, you don't know how long that might take.

    Fear the 3 hours to 15.
  • bedroomjesusbedroomjesus Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users Posts: 0
    edited March 2013
    zylaxx wrote: »
    Yea my plans will be to level my Alt to 15 to unlock Foundry then focus on Foundry missions for the first 60 days. I refuse to play an Alt to endgame before my main. All this could of been aleviated if Cryptic would of never published Drow as a playable race at launch. They had been saying that as far as last years conventions.

    Except that they ARE a playable race at launch.
  • zagemoggazagemogga Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    Except that they ARE a playable race at launch.

    Nope, only exiled (Renegade) Drow are playable.
  • bedroomjesusbedroomjesus Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users Posts: 0
    edited March 2013
    zagemogga wrote: »
    Nope, only exiled (Renegade) Drow are playable.

    Still drow.
  • keirkinkeirkin Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    zagemogga wrote: »
    Nope, only exiled (Renegade) Drow are playable.

    DROW Renegade is still a Drow. I would like you to show me where they said ALL Drow variants would be playable.
  • ruinedmirageruinedmirage Member Posts: 440 Bounty Hunter
    edited March 2013
    keirkin wrote: »
    DROW Renegade is still a Drow. I would like you to show me where they said ALL Drow variants would be playable.

    http://nw-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?59811-Some-Neverwinter-Datamined-Info-(Race-Class-Art-and-Text)&highlight=datamining

    This shows the MR drow and regular drow as two separate races. As far as the game itself if concerned, they could mechanically be considered two different options. Aesthetically, yes, they're both drow from a lore-based perspective.

    Disclaimer: I'm not trying to start an argument or disagree with any previous points about what will or won't be available. I'm just showing the thread about datamined BWE1 where there were two options for drow at creation, and that they're not one and the same from an in-game, coding point of view.
  • zagemoggazagemogga Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    http://nw-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?59811-Some-Neverwinter-Datamined-Info-(Race-Class-Art-and-Text)&highlight=datamining

    This shows the MR drow and regular drow as two separate races. As far as the game itself if concerned, they could mechanically be considered two different options. Aesthetically, yes, they're both drow from a lore-based perspective.

    Disclaimer: I'm not trying to start an argument or disagree with any previous points about what will or won't be available. I'm just showing the thread about datamined BWE1 where there were two options for drow at creation, and that they're not one and the same from an in-game, coding point of view.

    I totally forgot about that thread.
    Half-Orc -> Great Weapon Fighter *dream

    p.s. A half-orc’s starting Intelligence score is always at least 3 :D
  • lithomedlithomed Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 36
    edited March 2013
    The Drow race has become such an overplayed cliche I was actually detered from buying the $200 because it had it. I usually ban drow from my campaigns unless the player can prove he or she is really roleplaying the race and not simply a powergaming munhckin seeking an easymode race to ruin the game with.

    No Drow, No Problemo.
  • keirkinkeirkin Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    http://nw-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?59811-Some-Neverwinter-Datamined-Info-(Race-Class-Art-and-Text)&highlight=datamining

    This shows the MR drow and regular drow as two separate races. As far as the game itself if concerned, they could mechanically be considered two different options. Aesthetically, yes, they're both drow from a lore-based perspective.

    Disclaimer: I'm not trying to start an argument or disagree with any previous points about what will or won't be available. I'm just showing the thread about datamined BWE1 where there were two options for drow at creation, and that they're not one and the same from an in-game, coding point of view.

    It also shows males and female as a different race ( which I am not sure that in reality they are not ;) ). Using the data files as our yardstick there are double the number of races that are presented, but almost no one would accept that counting each race 2 times one for male and one for female for the number of races advertized in the game would be acceptable. Those designators don't really mean they are different races just how the program will access the resources for those types just like male and female.

    Not an argument just a counterpoint.
  • liaratsoni84liaratsoni84 Member Posts: 67 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    I wasn't happy about not having the drow because I can't play my main for 2 months, but I never had any intention of abandoning it.

    What I'm worried about its the "at least 60 days" thing. If this goes on too long and I can't play my character then I likely WILL leave.
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  • bedroomjesusbedroomjesus Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users Posts: 0
    edited March 2013
    I wasn't happy about not having the drow because I can't play my main for 2 months, but I never had any intention of abandoning it.

    What I'm worried about its the "at least 60 days" thing. If this goes on too long and I can't play my character then I likely WILL leave.

    Not to sound mean or anything, but if you're able to play for 60 days then leave just because you can't play a specific race, well you probably weren't going to play much longer anyways.
  • liaratsoni84liaratsoni84 Member Posts: 67 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    Not to sound mean or anything, but if you're able to play for 60 days then leave just because you can't play a specific race, well you probably weren't going to play much longer anyways.

    How do you know that? I've been following this game for over a year. I was very very excited for it.

    You know nothing about me.
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  • bedroomjesusbedroomjesus Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users Posts: 0
    edited March 2013
    How do you know that? I've been following this game for over a year. I was very very excited for it.

    You know nothing about me.

    Well I just quoted you saying you'd quit playing if you couldn't play a drow after 60 days, so I wouldn't say I know "nothing" about you. :)

    I mean, let's be honest, you probably weren't having that much fun playing the game if the only reason you leave is because you can't make yourself look like a dark skinned elf.
  • bedroomjesusbedroomjesus Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users Posts: 0
    edited March 2013
    Double post
  • liaratsoni84liaratsoni84 Member Posts: 67 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    Well I just quoted you saying you'd quit playing if you couldn't play a drow after 60 days, so I wouldn't say I know "nothing" about you. :)

    I mean, let's be honest, you probably weren't having that much fun playing the game if the only reason you leave is because you can't make yourself look like a dark skinned elf.

    Well I'll put it this way: The game is fun and really well done. I may become addicted to it. I know that during the beta I certainly couldn't stop playing my elf rogue even when I had a project due that weekend.

    However, I would likely not be playing it at all if it wasn't Forgotten Realms. This game would not have even pinged on my radar. Being able to play certain characters , classes and races (which includes characters from all races) in a particular setting is the main draw for me. To have what I see as a major element of FR to be missing is something very disappointing. If I don't get what I want then I will move on.

    You can't say that I didn't support the game however. I did support the developers for their work, so I'm not someone asking for a handout.
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  • bluedarkybluedarky Member Posts: 1,232 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    Cryptic have done nothing wrong and provided that they launch the Drow at 60 days then this is an excellent business decision.

    They basically said, "What's the most popular feature we can charge for early access?" and chose the most popular Neverwinter race to lock off to encourage people to buy the Founders packs.

    If microtransactions were a thing when the original Neverwinter Nights and Neverwinter Nights 2 were released then they'd have charged for access to the more popular races and classes as well.
  • bedroomjesusbedroomjesus Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users Posts: 0
    edited March 2013
    Well I'll put it this way: The game is fun and really well done. I may become addicted to it. I know that during the beta I certainly couldn't stop playing my elf rogue even when I had a project due that weekend.

    However, I would likely not be playing it at all if it wasn't Forgotten Realms. This game would not have even pinged on my radar. Being able to play certain characters , classes and races (which includes characters from all races) in a particular setting is the main draw for me. To have what I see as a major element of FR to be missing is something very disappointing. If I don't get what I want then I will move on.

    You can't say that I didn't support the game however. I did support the developers for their work, so I'm not someone asking for a handout.

    Well that makes more sense. At least I can see where you're coming from. Drow are a pretty cool race in FR, but I wouldn't say they're a major element. Most people would even care about drow if it wasn't for R.A. Salvatore creating a very alluring character.
  • horrorscope666horrorscope666 Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 415 Bounty Hunter
    edited March 2013
    zylaxx wrote: »
    No Drow, No Problem

    I liked your subject line the best because I don't even like Drow any way. That makes No Drow, No Problem perfect for me with no buts...
  • underdarkhunterunderdarkhunter Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    Well that makes more sense. At least I can see where you're coming from. Drow are a pretty cool race in FR, but I wouldn't say they're a major element. Most people would even care about drow if it wasn't for R.A. Salvatore creating a very alluring character.

    If you think the majority of Drow fans are fans because of Drizzt you be very mistaken.
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  • bedroomjesusbedroomjesus Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users Posts: 0
    edited March 2013
    If you think the majority of Drow fans are fans because of Drizzt you be very mistaken.

    Whatever you wanna tell yourself to feel special. ;)
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