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wulfster42
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I know it has been stated that there will be no subscription plan for NWO, but I'm curious how many players would like that option?
I must admit I'm pretty new to FTP....and i'm still not totally on board with the concept. I've paid for a monthly MMO since Everquest first came out, and often more then one at a time over the years (sometimes even 3). To me, if i'm playing a game more then 15 hours a month, it's worth $15 to me (well as long as i'm enjoying myself while playing it hehe).
Dungeons and Dragons online was my first experience at FTP, and I have maintained a VIP account there still (Even though I've now purchased most of the content as well. I must admit i'm a bit scared by the whole FTP..since I don't really know how much it's going to cost to play the game. Obviously games are making a profit since it's becoming more and more common to see games go FTP, but are players still getting as much value?
Would you want a $15 monthly plan for NWO that gives you access to everything. Enough character slots for every class available (1 slot for each class), every class as it's released and say 30k astral diamonds a month?
I must admit I'm pretty new to FTP....and i'm still not totally on board with the concept. I've paid for a monthly MMO since Everquest first came out, and often more then one at a time over the years (sometimes even 3). To me, if i'm playing a game more then 15 hours a month, it's worth $15 to me (well as long as i'm enjoying myself while playing it hehe).
Dungeons and Dragons online was my first experience at FTP, and I have maintained a VIP account there still (Even though I've now purchased most of the content as well. I must admit i'm a bit scared by the whole FTP..since I don't really know how much it's going to cost to play the game. Obviously games are making a profit since it's becoming more and more common to see games go FTP, but are players still getting as much value?
Would you want a $15 monthly plan for NWO that gives you access to everything. Enough character slots for every class available (1 slot for each class), every class as it's released and say 30k astral diamonds a month?
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To play a free-to-play game you need to understand what the limitations are.
In Champions Online this is a limited number of archetypes (classes), a limited to the amount of standard currency you can hold, some costumes are initially locked (but some of them can unlocked by standard play), a limited number of bank and bag slots, no access to freeform (something very thematic in a superhero game) and various other sundries.
Each Cryptic game tends to have at least three currencies for NO it seems it will be standard (gold, silver, copper?), special (astral diamonds) and for-cash (Zen). You get the first two sets of cash as you play for free and you actually seem to get astral diamonds when your character prays each day. Usually there is a means for the special currency to be traded in-game for the for-cash currency too.
Playing a free-to-play game is essentially about managing your in-game resources and deciding what you want to buy with for-cash currency. Things in the Zen shop are generally things that are tempting to buy but not really necessary.
NO has a number of packages you can buy at the start, which seems to be about giving people bragging rights and privileged starts but also offer longer-term things like increasing the number of character slots you have available.
Seeing that D&D4 itself still appears to have a subscription, allowing people access to the D&D4 gaming material, it is even possible that a subscription will not be available to NO.
I hope this helps. I am not a pay-to-test Beta tester, just an old D&D fan who knows both D&D4 and Cryptic MMOs as well.
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What happens with F2P is I spend like 25 dollars on currency, spend it too fast, get miffed I spent it too fast then not buy currency again.
I have to force myself to budget at home, a simple monthly stipend feature would actually be something I'd indulge in.
But I recognize F2P is the way to go, it's no longer the bastion of a game that can't maintain a subscriber base (*cough* SWTOR *cough*), it's really just the future for MMOs.
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I agree with you on that. Like I said if I had cash I could consider a subscription, but Id prolly stick with buying what I want
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Thank you Prootwaddle.
I tried playing CO but could never get into it. I was a City of Heroes/Villans fan and CO just didn't do it for me. I never really played it once it went FTP (loaded it up again but didn't get out of the first city).
I thought I had heard "somewhere" that there was going to be no subscription option at all for NWO..which is why I started this thread mainly. I wanted to see if anyone would miss that.
I kinda like that option to be honest.
@deathssickle, if there was a subscription play you might have spent the $60 on it instead of the guardian pack:)
I think I would have been happier buying 3 months of subscription as a pre-order instead of the founders pack for instance. Although I guess in the end it wouldn't make a big difference.
It does seem to be going that way...and GRR....still angry about SWTOR (hate wasting money), but for the most part the subscription plan setup worked well for me over the years. FTP worked really well for DDO though, so I can see why so many other games are picking it up now.
I'm sure it will work well for NWO as well, since the game is really quite good. Much better then other games that charge a monthly fee out there right now (in my opinion of course).
I hope not!!
I'll probably give myself a limit of $20 a month and stick with it (As long as i'm still playing regularly). I don't really care about cosmetic stuff, and I would be amazed if it'll cost more then that to get what I need. Course I did just buy the founders pack to start off, but I actually got to play the game first (unlike STWOR) so at least I know it's money well spent.
I don't know if i'll ever buy a boxed MMO again without trying it first at this point.
My example on that was when SWTOR offer the cartel packs, there was players on my guild that got on my opinion "crazy" and charge their credit cards. There was one fellow that spend about $300 on the 1st night and every time a new pact show up he spend more money... I was
PWE will never have a pay to play game. They've said it millions of times, their games will always, always be Free to Play.
It's still good to have this discussion though.
Im with you.
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Yes, I wasn't saying they should have it, just wondering what everyone's feelings were about subscriptions. It's something I am very used to and have been comfortable with for along time. One massive advantage for FTP is you don't have to shell out the initial $60 or whatever to start playing the game (or alternatively wait long enough for the game to finally have a playable demo).
I will miss subscription models myself. I can easily afford $15 a month, and it was pretty easy to just pay for everything I wanted, when I wanted to play a game and not worry about the rest. I'm sure over time I'll get used to the FTP setup though. I certainly have resisted it on DDO, but I guess NWO is going to finally force me to convert.
Furthemore, a subscription plan indirectly forces me to play the game even when i don't want, starting what i called the "world of warcraft slavery circle".
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I know about the whole "paying when your not playing" or even being almost forced into playing when your tired of a game, because you already paid for it etc.
I dealt with that along time ago by simply not worrying about it. If I enjoy a game I play it, if I play a game I keep paying for it. If I get tired of a game I stop playing and if I don't go back before the subscription renewal happens, I cancel my subscription.
I do end up paying a month or two extra sometimes, but for the most part that has worked out for me.
I have never paid for a lifetime plan ($200 etc). I would have made out great if one was offered for DDO..but other then that no other MMO has kept my interest long enough to be worth $200 so far. City of heroes/villians was probably the second closest.
For FTP I can see how you can quickly spend alot of money all up front. I've been playing MMOs for along time (many of them) and it's quite common for an MMO to keep my interest for a month, but then quickly get old by the second month etc. I'm a bit leery of falling into a trap of spending hundreds of dollars all up front only to find out that a month or so later, i'm bored with the game already.
I don't think that will happen with NWO....but then again I've played maybe 10-12 hours of it so far. I guess that is the "scary" party of the FTP model really....it's much easier to make a large investment and then regret it later.
This is actually the reason why i didn't buy and founder's pack. I don't know what to expect from this game, since the last two big failures in the last year (D3 and GW2), then i'll walk into the game, as we say in Italy, "with lead's feet" (slowly and cautiously
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I'd prefer a subscription however if there is no real need to force any money out I'm game for free to play.
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But, since the game has been designed as f2p I think it would be a mistake to tack on a subscription model now. I also think that it will be much easier to earn ZEN for the cash shop in-game in NW than in CO. Mainly because the Auction House uses AD instead of gold. That makes it much easier to get AD. The hundreds of globals I earn on the AH in CO will instead be AD. If, unlike CO now, they have real item crafting then that gives even more opportunity to earn AD on the AH. And these AD are already refined AD on top of the 24k you can refine each day.
As far as spending actual cash on ZEN, I will do so using the approach I use in CO. Every time they have a ZEN sale (usually 15% more ZEN with every ZEN purchase) I buy ZEN and let it sit in my PWE wallet. Then, every time they have a sale in the store I buy whatever I can that's on discount, thereby stacking the two. The discounts are usually 10% and they usually rotate what is on discount with each sale.
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If they can, fine. But I like the f2p model, and hope that they iron out the details. If we keep getting pay to win games, then I would suggest returning to a subscription. But I view this as an experiment, one that I hope works.