Or unique power could be making your fireball look blue instead of normal orange/red with no actual change in how the spell mechanically works.
Also on a side note I enjoy F2P games and I do not in any way find it play to win by being able to gain xp or gold faster. If you care about that so much then pay for it because that is the point of company trying to make some money off the F2P model. They give 1 time item uses or in this case permanent if you Hero of the North. Since you essentially helped pay for the intial development of the game with $200 then you should get bonuses like with Marvel Heroes founder program. If I had the money Id pay it but being a parent I have responsibility to care for family first however does that mean I should not be allowed to play any MMO's because I dont want to spend the monthly cash?
This is the gap that F2P helps to carve out is the people that want to enjoy a game while paying players have someone to socialize and group up with. If game lets you trade money for time to earn the same things then you have to decide what is more valuable to you? Your money in the bank or the free time you have to play a video game?
So they say the game is free to play and then you need to pay 200 dollars to get to play? That is rather intense
That's a straw man. The game does not cost $200 to play at all. Some unnecessary but beneficial perks, cosmetic, and convenience items cost $200. Playing the game will be completely free. Feel free not to spend a dime, and to just grind your way to everything, if your time is worth less than your money. Those of us whose money is worth less than our time will keep the lights on and the developers paid.
So I have never even bothered reading a F2P games forums. Are they all this wacked out with people complaining that the game is P2W?
Yes. Absolutely 100% of them. It starts sometimes even BEFORE the decision to go F2P is made, just when somebody discusses the possibility. And at some point, every game in existence gets used by at least one person as an example of doing it absolutely wrong, and by somebody else as an example of doing it absolutely right.
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ambisinisterrMember, Neverwinter ModeratorPosts: 10,462Community Moderator
edited February 2013
Please do not insult anybody for their choice to pay or not pay.
Feel free to give constructive non-accusatory reasons for whether or not people should pay for the packs. The mods won't ever moderate even if somebody calls the Founders Pack a rip-off as long as it is constructive.
However you may never degrade players for their choice to give their hard earned money to Cryptic or not. The wonderful thing about Free to Play games is that they will never have to.
lanessar13Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users, SilverstarsPosts: 8Arc User
edited February 2013
Don't disagree, Ambi. However, calling the game P2W is incorrect. I can see why some get uppity toward the misinformed/ignorant who believe that any game that doesn't give them everything they want for freeeeeee! simply labels it P2W.
P2W has a specific definition. It's not an additional character slot. It's not beta access earlier than free beta access. It's not a companion (lulz like driztt!) or a background which makes you "look" a certain way, but offers no other advantages over another, in-game earn-able companion or background.
Yes, I got Guardian. No, I don't agree with the HotN package price. But I do get frustrated at explaining a simple concept over and over again to people who really need to know what these terms they hurl around really mean.
What if there are (like every other Cryptic game) missions that give you this same XP boost when completed? In CO's case, an even better boost. No cash required.
Do they stack? If they don't stack how much trouble is it to do these missions, how long do they take? If they take a significant amount of time and the person who bought the item could be leveling faster in that time then I don't think this alleviates the problem.
Don't disagree, Ambi. However, calling the game P2W is incorrect. I can see why some get uppity toward the misinformed/ignorant who believe that any game that doesn't give them everything they want for freeeeeee! simply labels it P2W.
P2W has a specific definition. It's not an additional character slot. It's not beta access earlier than free beta access. It's not a companion (lulz like driztt!) or a background which makes you "look" a certain way, but offers no other advantages over another, in-game earn-able companion or background.
Yes, I got Guardian. No, I don't agree with the HotN package price. But I do get frustrated at explaining a simple concept over and over again to people who really need to know what these terms they hurl around really mean.
I find it extremely offensive when people twist the truth and then call them facts, and call opinions fact. So can we get all these threads were people are saying this game is pay to win closed?
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iamtruthseekerMember, Moonstars, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 0Arc User
Yes. Absolutely 100% of them. It starts sometimes even BEFORE the decision to go F2P is made, just when somebody discusses the possibility. And at some point, every game in existence gets used by at least one person as an example of doing it absolutely wrong, and by somebody else as an example of doing it absolutely right.
I find it extremely offensive when people twist the truth and then call them facts, and call opinions fact. So can we get all these threads were people are saying this game is pay to win closed?
Only if they directly insult others and refuse to stop when asked. We';ve done it before and will do it again.
Oh, and suggesting illegal things multiple time by different people, that closes threads too.
But normally we just remove the text or user's entire post if something "wrong" was posted.
If we just removed thread posts we didn't like, people would have removed 98% of mine
Even "narrow minded" people have the right to their opinion if they state opinion as such.
That's a straw man. The game does not cost $200 to play at all. Some unnecessary but beneficial perks, cosmetic, and convenience items cost $200. Playing the game will be completely free. Feel free not to spend a dime, and to just grind your way to everything, if your time is worth less than your money. Those of us whose money is worth less than our time will keep the lights on and the developers paid.
You're welcome.
Am i allowed to play the game? No i am not, unless i pay the 200 dollars. Hence i need to pay 200 dollars in order to be allowed to play. If i need to pay 200 dollars in order to get to play then how is it free to play?
Do you honestly think they created a game that is free to download, meaning no box fee, plus free to play all the content? Why would they do that? What business in their right mind would do that.
In order to seriously play this game, at some point you are going to pay and it is going to be a lot more than 15 dollars a month. They already have a 200 dollar price to get some hero pack so you can play a free game....yeah, except for that 200 dollars you just spent, it is free to play.
Go play Star Trek Online if you want to know what is in store for your wallet with this game.
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eljacko56Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian UsersPosts: 0Arc User
If you don't want to pay a red cent, but still live a lavish life in-game become a UGC Foundry provider. Players can donate Astral Diamonds to you for providing quality, rewarding, fun content.
This does not mean that anyone will actually be generous enough to make such donations. I think it will also be expected that Foundry Creators will mostly allocate this money to purchasing additional Foundry Project Slots, so as to make more content. I don't think this was meant as an attempt to reward Foundry Creators so much as it was an attempt to ensure that well-liked content creators can continue making content free of charge, while less-liked creators are forced to spend money for more project slots.
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Also on a side note I enjoy F2P games and I do not in any way find it play to win by being able to gain xp or gold faster. If you care about that so much then pay for it because that is the point of company trying to make some money off the F2P model. They give 1 time item uses or in this case permanent if you Hero of the North. Since you essentially helped pay for the intial development of the game with $200 then you should get bonuses like with Marvel Heroes founder program. If I had the money Id pay it but being a parent I have responsibility to care for family first however does that mean I should not be allowed to play any MMO's because I dont want to spend the monthly cash?
This is the gap that F2P helps to carve out is the people that want to enjoy a game while paying players have someone to socialize and group up with. If game lets you trade money for time to earn the same things then you have to decide what is more valuable to you? Your money in the bank or the free time you have to play a video game?
That's a straw man. The game does not cost $200 to play at all. Some unnecessary but beneficial perks, cosmetic, and convenience items cost $200. Playing the game will be completely free. Feel free not to spend a dime, and to just grind your way to everything, if your time is worth less than your money. Those of us whose money is worth less than our time will keep the lights on and the developers paid.
You're welcome.
Yes. Absolutely 100% of them. It starts sometimes even BEFORE the decision to go F2P is made, just when somebody discusses the possibility. And at some point, every game in existence gets used by at least one person as an example of doing it absolutely wrong, and by somebody else as an example of doing it absolutely right.
Feel free to give constructive non-accusatory reasons for whether or not people should pay for the packs. The mods won't ever moderate even if somebody calls the Founders Pack a rip-off as long as it is constructive.
However you may never degrade players for their choice to give their hard earned money to Cryptic or not. The wonderful thing about Free to Play games is that they will never have to.
P2W has a specific definition. It's not an additional character slot. It's not beta access earlier than free beta access. It's not a companion (lulz like driztt!) or a background which makes you "look" a certain way, but offers no other advantages over another, in-game earn-able companion or background.
Yes, I got Guardian. No, I don't agree with the HotN package price. But I do get frustrated at explaining a simple concept over and over again to people who really need to know what these terms they hurl around really mean.
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Do they stack? If they don't stack how much trouble is it to do these missions, how long do they take? If they take a significant amount of time and the person who bought the item could be leveling faster in that time then I don't think this alleviates the problem.
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I find it extremely offensive when people twist the truth and then call them facts, and call opinions fact.
QFMFT!
Only if they directly insult others and refuse to stop when asked. We';ve done it before and will do it again.
Oh, and suggesting illegal things multiple time by different people, that closes threads too.
But normally we just remove the text or user's entire post if something "wrong" was posted.
If we just removed thread posts we didn't like, people would have removed 98% of mine
Even "narrow minded" people have the right to their opinion if they state opinion as such.
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Am i allowed to play the game? No i am not, unless i pay the 200 dollars. Hence i need to pay 200 dollars in order to be allowed to play. If i need to pay 200 dollars in order to get to play then how is it free to play?
There is NO such thing as a free lunch.
Do you honestly think they created a game that is free to download, meaning no box fee, plus free to play all the content? Why would they do that? What business in their right mind would do that.
In order to seriously play this game, at some point you are going to pay and it is going to be a lot more than 15 dollars a month. They already have a 200 dollar price to get some hero pack so you can play a free game....yeah, except for that 200 dollars you just spent, it is free to play.
Go play Star Trek Online if you want to know what is in store for your wallet with this game.
This does not mean that anyone will actually be generous enough to make such donations. I think it will also be expected that Foundry Creators will mostly allocate this money to purchasing additional Foundry Project Slots, so as to make more content. I don't think this was meant as an attempt to reward Foundry Creators so much as it was an attempt to ensure that well-liked content creators can continue making content free of charge, while less-liked creators are forced to spend money for more project slots.
You are merely paying to not play.