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oshannon
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you guys need to up the leaver penalty for leaving a RAQ / RTQ / etc. to like three hours or a day or two. people are jumping into Demogorgon and immediately leaving.
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Player will simply stay afk at campfire, and wait. Either party vote abandon or vote kick him, and thats how he avoid penalty.
I where countless times in random trial/dungeon/skirmish parties with pugs.. There where plenty of cases when some simply do righ that,, sit at campfire and do nothing.. So rest of party have two options, sit 15min till you can vote kick him or vote kick abandon dungeon/skirmish/trial or third option you leave group by yourself..
And now lets bring most popular cases, demogorgon trial. From 10 pug runs at least 7 of times pugs leave at very start. Or simply stay in campfire zone and wait till someone vote kick them. Some go straight forward and ask to be votekicked.
So penalty increae will not solve anything. I would reccomend to do random daily dungeon/trial with friends.
“The masses have never thirsted after truth. Whoever can supply them with illusions is easily their master; whoever attempts to destroy their illusions is always their victim.
Gustave Le Bon.
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When the entire party queues random, they want to play together, whether friends, guildies, or allies. They don't really care where they end up so long as they are doing it together.
By “level” I mean knowing the dungeons mechanics, your own class and your playing skills
And if you consider yourself as an experienced player, then consider whether you are able to carry the other players on your own.
The idiotic combat rework that is aimed to get money out of the players results in a one thing: We have to carry 60-70k+ players playing like a HAMSTER
My real life scheduling precludes finding many guild/any members online when I'm online so I can either run a random queue or try to pull together a private queue, which is too often more time consuming and frustrating than waiting for a random to pop and truth be told I more enjoy running random content, sometimes learning things from people more experienced in a particular content and sometimes I'm able to offer tips and tricks to some who appear to be struggling.
However I still think my suggestion to be seriously considered...
If someone queues for random content they should be pulled into that content as soon as one is available.
It shouldn't matter where they are or what else they're doing and definitely None of this "Accept - Decline" HAMSTER. People who've queued for a dungeon or skirmish should be willing to go when the instance is ready or not attempt to join - period.
Waiting 20 minutes for a queue to pop and when it does having players decline or just not respond very often leads to another 20 minute +/- wait. That's not right at all.
Another thing that I think would be helpful is some kind of auto timer to kick players out of a random run once they've picked up their reward after no more than 60 seconds. I realize I made myself part of the problem in this one instance, but out of curiosity I watched some people after the completion of a random run and two players picked up their reward and just hung out in the dungeon for more than 2 minutes, I left after 2 minutes so couldn't say it it was longer.
My suggestion is that: throw away these random queues and restore the status quo before times when this stupid attempt to force people to do what they don't want has been introduced.
This is: for the first dung, skirmish or trial of the day you get a certain amount of money. Remove penalties, remove end quests in campaigns that requires the completion of dungeon at the end. This has always been wrong and so far, hasn't done anything good.
Not everyone has to do everything. Not everyone is suitable for everything. Requiring from someone who started playing a month ago to go on the hardest trial in the game is idiotic.
This is a game, not a second job, and no one is going to work for anyone else. Maybe the devs would finally get that. Although I highly doubt it.
Some people starting que and doing quests in meantime, because it may take some time. They can be in the middle of important BHE and "decline" option is useful. Current problems with cancelling queues it's just a bug and i hope this will be fixed soon. No need such changes as you mentioned.
Much of the “declining”, right now, is a bug, anyway. In any case, I think that would just make things worse, just like making penalties worse would. If people knew they would be dragged in and had to decide to queue and wait or get dragged in when they might be doing something else, less would queue and the ones that did would have a higher chance of being afk. You can’t stop the afk method of declines, lol. I’ve been reading a book and didn’t notice I missed the queue until 10 mins later, on occasion. Now if you don’t mind waiting or kicking (meaning more waiting and, possibly, more kicking), great. I’m against it.
As far as increasing the leaver penalty for not doing a random it would just make me ignore it entirely as a solo player and I would then only queue for it if I was part of a premade group.
For me, I still have this silly idea that games are supposed to be fun and if I aint having fun then I aint doing it.
My perception right now concerning the state of random queues is that having less players being able to or unwilling to queue for it just makes it a useless thing that needs to be removed.
For my DPS, oddly enough because of the long wait times I decline a lot before I actually get anywhere with them as I am frequently doing some in-game thing that I do not want to repeat again or I am in the middle of one of those epic encounters and I do not want to repeat that either as most of the time I do not advertise so I am usually soloing it for either all or most of the battle. This especially holds true if I am playing an ALT because it takes a little more effort on my part to get them through the new stuff.
I strongly disagree with this idea of shortening this timer, and I don't understand how it would help in anything at all to kick out players from an instance right after they got their rewards.
The very problem of queues not firing is not linked to that at all.
Did you ask to the 2 you saw hanging out why they weren't leaving the Demo ?
Hanging out in a finished dungeon with players I just ran with is an occasion to have a "peaceful time" during which I can talk with them, laugh with them, compare loots, thanks the tank/healer for their well done job, /emote them, RP with them, answer/ask them about meta/mechanic relative to the dungeon, play them an appropriate "winner song" (let's say my 3 min version of Castlevania's Vampire Killer at the end of CR) (I mostly play my bard since the class was released ^^ and I definitely love to play something at the end of each dungeon I do with random people, and highly enjoy if someone stays to listen to the song ^^), etc, etc, etc.
I'm sad it doesn't happen as many time as I would want ^^, but as a result, when it does, I feel like i have found some kind of jewel shining in the middle of an ocean of mud.
In the end it's a farm system, people jump in and out because they want the fastest way to their RADs. It's not bad, you're just looking for the wrong kind of experience within random queues.