Hi, still no response as to whether you're going to remove the 3 minute cooldown on Shield o/t Gods - it'd be great if you could let us know please.
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This is still not balanced. Why Fighters still getting an extra 15% awareness for free? To make it equal between all tanks, either remove that 15% from Fighters, or add 15% to other tanks aswell. Stats could be different to make it unique, for example Barb tank can get 15% deflect sev, and Paladin can get 15% crit avo, something like that.
On top of that, Barb tank tab power Unstoppable still absorbs less than other tanks. Fighter has 40% with shift and 60% with Dig in, but Barb tank has 40% with shift and 50% with Unstoppable(same as live). Unstoppable already is a bad tab mechanic for a tank, and it still stays useless. Unstoppable should be 60% aswell.
True. Let's make fighters even more useless. They're useless as dps, with vorpal nerf, they will be even more useless. Let's make barbarian top dps clas - well, it already is; top tank class too and let's even boost bilethorn. All for barbarians. Go, play "balanced" tank fighter with "perfectly" balanced seethe mechanic or as dps fighter, specially after vorpal nerf. BTW, can fighter get some love ? Everybody complaining, but no fighters. Obivously we gave up hope few mods ago.
We are aware that Fighter dps is not as competitive as other dps classes at the moment. But we are talking about tanks right now. Barbarian tank has been the worst tank since mod16, promised to get a rework/buff, but actually ended up getting nerfed. 99% of the tanks who finished Master Zariel are Fighters and Paladins. I do not even know more than 5 Barbarian tanks who can properly tank Master Zariel. Fighter tank is without a doubt the strongest tank right now. Barbarian tank lacks so many tank qualities compared to other 2 tanks, the first and most obvious one is our block. While other 2 tanks can block up to 75% hp(now 60% on preview with the changes), Barb was stuck at 50% hp, which makes tanking much more difficult. On top of that, it lacks aggro, party protection, damage mitigation and stamina regeneration aswell.
This is the first step to balance out tanks since mod16, and you already started crying about it without even testing stuff. Fighter still stands the strongest tank in preview right now. My whole point was to give tanks equal resources with diversity, so they all become useful and competitive. Vorpal and Bilethorn changes are not related to this tank discussion, because weapon enchants affect all tanks at the same time in a same way. And for dps, there are other classes which perform better with Bilethorn rather than Vorpal compared to Barbarian. So bilethorn being best does not just boost Barbarian.
Also for your information, I do not know where do you get the idea of "Barbarian top dps class". Because its not. Currently it stands in the 3rd place, after Hunters and Clerics.
Yeah let’s nerf the other Tanks so Barbs can Tank better. That’s fair. I mean it’s not like we can remotely compare the dps sides which a sparkly doesn’t even have. Hey let’s nerf Barbs so they are more in line with Fighter dps and make their Rage mechanic just like Seethe, so they have to Stand there and build the meter before leaping in. Fair is fair.
Do people even test things in trials or just say they nerfed gf and all other are whining, gf tank is still best in live and in preview, people are asking so other tank are treated equally and is very sad to be barb tank really since mod 16 worse tank and utility for group and agro. now for the dps part just ask for buff of your class and still builds are not finished , to see what's going on for final balances.
Hi, still no response as to whether you're going to remove the 3 minute cooldown on Shield o/t Gods - it'd be great if you could let us know please.
That can only be removed if the damage reduction changes to a lower amount, such as 20-25% that stacks on top of defense, instead of the essential immunity it does now. That is too powerful to go off frequently. But if the damage reduction part changes then it can have the cooldown removed fully.
Will divine palisade (tab+shift) on OP be made to cover 50% of stamina when unfeated and 75% when feated as per tooltip and old behaviour? Divine champion (w/o shift) works as expected (50/75) but palisade is currently doing 40%/60% which looks to be incorrectly linked to the block stamina value instead of the champion stamina value.
Unrelated but shield of the gods suffer from the same issue as the unfeated bubble daily. On an average 15m master zariel run I can use it at best 4 times since it's a pick your spot skill and the sheer amount of damage you get there is no good spot to use it besides phase 4 angels for solo heal shenanigans. Having it up for ~24s in zariel makes it terrible since it cuts down on the already terrible uptime of the 30% awareness part of the daily. I would flat out rework the feat to do something else since with the current CD it's something that should never be used. Also the competing feat which is the shield of fate one is pretty good which makes me wish that the awareness was given to shield of fate instead of the bubble .
The current meta for trials at least seems to be to stack awareness to 90% since like old defense the more awareness you have the better mitigation you get making the uptime of the awareness daily bad since you always want to be near cap or risk getting blown up. I ran tomm with 90% defense and 60% awareness depending on the daily and it was fairly terrible experience but to be fair the trial still hits too hard (3+ crits in a row damage spike from halaster was bad) and palisade was only doing 60% of my HP .
Hi, still no response as to whether you're going to remove the 3 minute cooldown on Shield o/t Gods - it'd be great if you could let us know please.
That can only be removed if the damage reduction changes to a lower amount, such as 20-25% that stacks on top of defense, instead of the essential immunity it does now. That is too powerful to go off frequently. But if the damage reduction part changes then it can have the cooldown removed fully.
The Fighter version (Bladed Rampart/Sharpened Senses) gives a 30% damage reduction, reflects damage back to attackers and lasts for 10 seconds - and has no cooldown. I'd be cool with it being changed to do this.
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> @noworries#8859 said: > That can only be removed if the damage reduction changes to a lower amount, such as 20-25% that stacks on top of defense, instead of the essential immunity it does now. That is too powerful to go off frequently. But if the damage reduction part changes then it can have the cooldown removed fully.
I agree with you, this power shouldn't go off frequently, and it's also a very cool power idea that I would hate to see changed, but the problem is that you put the 30% awareness on this daily. I'd advise putting it on another pally tank daily, perhaps to divine divine judgement or added as a self buff to shield of faith
> That can only be removed if the damage reduction changes to a lower amount, such as 20-25% that stacks on top of defense, instead of the essential immunity it does now. That is too powerful to go off frequently. But if the damage reduction part changes then it can have the cooldown removed fully.
I agree with you, this power shouldn't go off frequently, and it's also a very cool power idea that I would hate to see changed, but the problem is that you put the 30% awareness on this daily. I'd advise putting it on another pally tank daily, perhaps to divine divine judgement or added as a self buff to shield of faith
The problem with Shield of Faith is that it only gives a 5% damage reduction. The new boss mechanics increase incoming damage dramatically and 5% is pretty much useless.
Pally Dailies were nerfed into oblivion after two years of 'easy mode' tanking where players could run anything and take almost no damage for the entire run. Unfortunately (and typically) the changes went too far in the other direction, leading to players abandoning them completely, leading to the pre-mod 16 Binding Oath builds, which along with waaay over-powered temp health - led to another version of easy-mode tanking.
Due to this, I understand the need for a more cautious approach from the devs, especially as once they make a change they typically don't revisit it for (on average) two years(!)
Any reasonable player will want their main class to be 'comparable' instead of overpowered and the easiest way of achieving this is to look at classes in the same field - if those other classes are doing well but not TOO well, then they make a good blueprint to follow.
In this case, I consider the Fighter tank to fall into this category: effective but not overpowered. That's why I've suggested that the DR and uptime of Bladed Rampart/Sharpened Senses be a blueprint for the Pally version.
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Hi, still no response as to whether you're going to remove the 3 minute cooldown on Shield o/t Gods - it'd be great if you could let us know please.
That can only be removed if the damage reduction changes to a lower amount, such as 20-25% that stacks on top of defense, instead of the essential immunity it does now. That is too powerful to go off frequently. But if the damage reduction part changes then it can have the cooldown removed fully.
Why not provide Deflect instead of damage reduction with Shield of the Gods?
Paladin could receive +30% Awarness + 30% Deflect with Divine Protector + Feat then every tank class would get 2 defense stats by using a specific Daily. This would make them a lot more balanced in terms of reaching stat caps.
The answer I got was every tank path has a way to get 40%/60%. This is not true for barb or unfeated op.
First of all tab+shift should be the % of tab + the perk of getting rooted by the shift like it has always been. No tab should ever be 40% especially the tab+shift should be stronger than just tab on paladins since it's just tab + a few extra perks. According to the answer I got barb and op should be 60% for tab/tab+shift.
The other part of my question was about the feat that is exclusive to paladins. This feat makes the tab stronger and it now covers 75% of HP (as the tooltip currently says). If the plan is to make everyone have a 40%/60% it makes sense that if a class has a feat for this to then actually get a bit more when compared to the classes that don't have this feat and the non-feated version of this class since this is all the feat does therefore 40/60/75% should be fine. The other option is to force the usage of the feat to reach a 60% which every other class would reach w/o a feat which would be unfair.
Currently the behavior of the feat is: Feated tab => 75% (expected behavior) Feated tab+shift => 60%
To summarize the answer of the expected behavior should probably be one of these two
The option I would like is the 1st one since locking OP out of 60% if you don't pick a feat is unfair but the current behavior shown below makes no sense balance wise.
Hi, still no response as to whether you're going to remove the 3 minute cooldown on Shield o/t Gods - it'd be great if you could let us know please.
That can only be removed if the damage reduction changes to a lower amount, such as 20-25% that stacks on top of defense, instead of the essential immunity it does now. That is too powerful to go off frequently. But if the damage reduction part changes then it can have the cooldown removed fully.
Why not provide Deflect instead of damage reduction with Shield of the Gods?
Paladin could receive +30% Awarness + 30% Deflect with Divine Protector + Feat then every tank class would get 2 defense stats by using a specific Daily. This would make them a lot more balanced in terms of reaching stat caps.
Please tell me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the new deflect mechanic proc 50% of the time and increasing Deflect raises its severity?
If that is the case, its defensive capability is entirely random - which is not what tanks need.
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Hi, still no response as to whether you're going to remove the 3 minute cooldown on Shield o/t Gods - it'd be great if you could let us know please.
That can only be removed if the damage reduction changes to a lower amount, such as 20-25% that stacks on top of defense, instead of the essential immunity it does now. That is too powerful to go off frequently. But if the damage reduction part changes then it can have the cooldown removed fully.
Why not provide Deflect instead of damage reduction with Shield of the Gods?
Paladin could receive +30% Awarness + 30% Deflect with Divine Protector + Feat then every tank class would get 2 defense stats by using a specific Daily. This would make them a lot more balanced in terms of reaching stat caps.
Please tell me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the new deflect mechanic proc 50% of the time and increasing Deflect raises its severity?
If that is the case, its defensive capability is entirely random - which is not what tanks need.
I am bit confused about your sentence. If we have 75% Deflect, we deflect 3 out of 4 hits (statistically ofc). The damage reduction that is applied if we Deflect, is our Deflect Severity.
I am not sure tho whether Deflect Severity is some counter value (for power?) or is working like defense so 90% Deflect Severity is around halfing the incoming damage.
I also wouldn't call that random. We know exactly how often we will Deflect (statistically ofc). Random would be a accidential value between 0% and 100%.
@hastati96 Unfortunately, 90% Deflect Severity + 90% Deflect combined give you 0.9 * (1- 1/0.9) = 0.42x Damage Resistance = 42%. So your math is unfortunately incorrect. And just like Healers don't rely on Critical Heals to heal DPS in Heal Checks on Trials, Tanks NEVER rely on Deflects to Deflect those one-time big hits in a Trial since the 10% off-chance occurs, you DIE.
> @gweddeoran#4924 said: > @hastati96 Unfortunately, 90% Deflect Severity + 90% Deflect combined give you 0.9 * (1- 1/0.9) = 0.42x Damage Resistance = 42%. So your math is unfortunately incorrect. And just like Healers don't rely on Critical Heals to heal DPS in Heal Checks on Trials, Tanks NEVER rely on Deflects to Deflect those one-time big hits in a Trial since the 10% off-chance occurs, you DIE.
Huh what math I did? Deflect chance works exactly as I said above.
Our Deflect Sev works as counter stat to enemies Accuracy (which is 90% btw) if I remember correctly.
I also didnt say we rely on Deflect. In the end it still is an overall improvement for our survivability.
Hi, still no response as to whether you're going to remove the 3 minute cooldown on Shield o/t Gods - it'd be great if you could let us know please.
That can only be removed if the damage reduction changes to a lower amount, such as 20-25% that stacks on top of defense, instead of the essential immunity it does now. That is too powerful to go off frequently. But if the damage reduction part changes then it can have the cooldown removed fully.
We should think about the two feats: 1)Sheltering Light. 2)Shield of Gods.
1)Whenever you are healed , party members under the effect of Shield of Faith are healed for the 50% of the value you are healed for. (Duration 10 sec.) + All the basic effects of Shield of Faith. [5% DR and 10% Incoming Healing] 2)Divine protector no longer redirects damage from the nearest ally and instead nullifies most damage dealt to you. (Duration 6 sec.).
Sheltering light is very useful for healers in some difficult situations. I found this feat very useful and i have been using it since my first dungeon. [A little bug i noticed healer's tab mechanic doesn't work with this feat] I really didn't like Shield of Gods feat due to his long CD. (But also, i thought that immunity was not that important.) But Divine Protector now grants 30% awareness and the tanks can use it every 3 minutes (with its feat). Not worth at all. But using Divine Protector without its feat could be dangerous too. My nearest ally will send me his damage! If i'm going to boost my awareness that's means i'm in trouble, but if i have to tank a big hit and also some damage from the nearest ally it's not worth it. I can understand the skill of tanking, but if other tanks have this 30% awareness boost , but they don't take any risk using it (i don't know actually) , this in not balanced.
Divine protector with Shield of Gods could be interesting if Paladins can buff the Damage Reduction for the party and awareness for the tank using it. Like GF Phalanx.
Divine protector without Shield of Gods could be interesting if Paladins can share their awareness boost(15% and 15% for example) with the nearest ally. In duo tank content could be something very useful and funny to play.
In this way Paladins can make more build in order to help the party in different ways. (A build with DR [to cover some big hits or in a duo pally trials] or a build with Heal Reflection [to help healers in their job]. Actually Paladins are the perfect supporter, we don't have the DPS paragon, but we should be valueble in supporting party.
P.S: I'm really sorry form my bad english. P.S.S: It's just an idea, maybe i'm totally wrong. But i like it.
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> @hastati96 Unfortunately, 90% Deflect Severity + 90% Deflect combined give you 0.9 * (1- 1/0.9) = 0.42x Damage Resistance = 42%. So your math is unfortunately incorrect. And just like Healers don't rely on Critical Heals to heal DPS in Heal Checks on Trials, Tanks NEVER rely on Deflects to Deflect those one-time big hits in a Trial since the 10% off-chance occurs, you DIE.
Huh what math I did? Deflect chance works exactly as I said above.
Our Deflect Sev works as counter stat to enemies Accuracy (which is 90% btw) if I remember correctly.
I also didnt say we rely on Deflect. In the end it still is an overall improvement for our survivability.
Enemies do not have 90% accuracy...if they did, there would be no point to deflect severity.
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Maybe I've played the game for too long and am stuck in old thinking, but I don't see why there's suddenly all of this talk about deflect being utilised by tanks - deflect has always been the province of classes with good dodging and lower defence stats; so Rogues, Rangers etc. Defence (and now Awareness) has always been for those that have to 'stand there and take it': Fighters, Paladins and Barbarians.
To move away from this would result in needing to max out more stats than the incoming changes will allow.
In the case of the Paladin, it's Forte allotments are Defence/Crit Strike/Crit Avoid but bosses have now been given CA, meaning Pallys have to max Awareness with no help or boosts from their powers (except Divine Protector - only usable when feted but comes with a 3 min cooldown - which makes it unusable)
Removing the secondary DR layer from Divine Protector (as suggested by @hastati96 ) and replacing it with Deflect would further increase incoming damage, with a 'chance' to deflect a percentage of it.
I honestly cannot understand why the devs think its fine for Fighters to have 30% DR for a Daily but offer 20/25% DR to Paladins in order to remove the 3 minute cooldown from their version of it - we're not even asking for the damage reflect that Bladed Rampart gives - just the defensiveness!
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@noworries#8859 Thanks for the change to Shield of the Gods, this really should help balancing the tank classes.
The tooltip seems a bit mixed up. Divine Protector gives 30% Awareness and 25% damage reduction. Is it intended to have 2 seperate durations, one 6 and the other 12 seconds?
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Hi, still no response as to whether you're going to remove the 3 minute cooldown on Shield o/t Gods - it'd be great if you could let us know please.
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This is the first step to balance out tanks since mod16, and you already started crying about it without even testing stuff. Fighter still stands the strongest tank in preview right now. My whole point was to give tanks equal resources with diversity, so they all become useful and competitive. Vorpal and Bilethorn changes are not related to this tank discussion, because weapon enchants affect all tanks at the same time in a same way. And for dps, there are other classes which perform better with Bilethorn rather than Vorpal compared to Barbarian. So bilethorn being best does not just boost Barbarian.
Also for your information, I do not know where do you get the idea of "Barbarian top dps class". Because its not. Currently it stands in the 3rd place, after Hunters and Clerics.
That’s fair.
I mean it’s not like we can remotely compare the dps sides which a sparkly doesn’t even have.
Hey let’s nerf Barbs so they are more in line with Fighter dps and make their Rage mechanic just like Seethe, so they have to Stand there and build the meter before leaping in.
Fair is fair.
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Will divine palisade (tab+shift) on OP be made to cover 50% of stamina when unfeated and 75% when feated as per tooltip and old behaviour? Divine champion (w/o shift) works as expected (50/75) but palisade is currently doing 40%/60% which looks to be incorrectly linked to the block stamina value instead of the champion stamina value.
Unrelated but shield of the gods suffer from the same issue as the unfeated bubble daily. On an average 15m master zariel run I can use it at best 4 times since it's a pick your spot skill and the sheer amount of damage you get there is no good spot to use it besides phase 4 angels for solo heal shenanigans. Having it up for ~24s in zariel makes it terrible since it cuts down on the already terrible uptime of the 30% awareness part of the daily. I would flat out rework the feat to do something else since with the current CD it's something that should never be used. Also the competing feat which is the shield of fate one is pretty good which makes me wish that the awareness was given to shield of fate instead of the bubble
The current meta for trials at least seems to be to stack awareness to 90% since like old defense the more awareness you have the better mitigation you get making the uptime of the awareness daily bad since you always want to be near cap or risk getting blown up. I ran tomm with 90% defense and 60% awareness depending on the daily and it was fairly terrible experience but to be fair the trial still hits too hard (3+ crits in a row damage spike from halaster was bad) and palisade was only doing 60% of my HP
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> That can only be removed if the damage reduction changes to a lower amount, such as 20-25% that stacks on top of defense, instead of the essential immunity it does now. That is too powerful to go off frequently. But if the damage reduction part changes then it can have the cooldown removed fully.
I agree with you, this power shouldn't go off frequently, and it's also a very cool power idea that I would hate to see changed, but the problem is that you put the 30% awareness on this daily. I'd advise putting it on another pally tank daily, perhaps to divine divine judgement or added as a self buff to shield of faith
Pally Dailies were nerfed into oblivion after two years of 'easy mode' tanking where players could run anything and take almost no damage for the entire run. Unfortunately (and typically) the changes went too far in the other direction, leading to players abandoning them completely, leading to the pre-mod 16 Binding Oath builds, which along with waaay over-powered temp health - led to another version of easy-mode tanking.
Due to this, I understand the need for a more cautious approach from the devs, especially as once they make a change they typically don't revisit it for (on average) two years(!)
Any reasonable player will want their main class to be 'comparable' instead of overpowered and the easiest way of achieving this is to look at classes in the same field - if those other classes are doing well but not TOO well, then they make a good blueprint to follow.
In this case, I consider the Fighter tank to fall into this category: effective but not overpowered. That's why I've suggested that the DR and uptime of Bladed Rampart/Sharpened Senses be a blueprint for the Pally version.
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Barbarian receives +30% Awareness + 90% Critical Avoidance with Primal Instinct.
Fighter receives +30% Awareness + 30% Defense with Bladed Rampart + Feat.
Paladin could receive +30% Awarness + 30% Deflect with Divine Protector + Feat then every tank class would get 2 defense stats by using a specific Daily. This would make them a lot more balanced in terms of reaching stat caps.
I asked during today's stream and the answer I got made no sense. Could you explain what is the plan for the 5 cases of paladin covering HP?
The cases are
- Shift(block)
- Tab
- Tab+shift
- Feated tab
- Feated tab+shift
Currently:
Shift => 40% (gf/op/barb)
TAB => 60% (gf), 50% (barb/op)
TAB+ Shift => 40% (op)
The answer I got was every tank path has a way to get 40%/60%. This is not true for barb or unfeated op.
First of all tab+shift should be the % of tab + the perk of getting rooted by the shift like it has always been. No tab should ever be 40% especially the tab+shift should be stronger than just tab on paladins since it's just tab + a few extra perks. According to the answer I got barb and op should be 60% for tab/tab+shift.
The other part of my question was about the feat that is exclusive to paladins. This feat makes the tab stronger and it now covers 75% of HP (as the tooltip currently says). If the plan is to make everyone have a 40%/60% it makes sense that if a class has a feat for this to then actually get a bit more when compared to the classes that don't have this feat and the non-feated version of this class since this is all the feat does therefore 40/60/75% should be fine. The other option is to force the usage of the feat to reach a 60% which every other class would reach w/o a feat which would be unfair.
Currently the behavior of the feat is:
Feated tab => 75% (expected behavior)
Feated tab+shift => 60%
To summarize the answer of the expected behavior should probably be one of these two
GF: 40% (shift), 60% (tab)
Barb: 40% (shift), 60% (tab)
OP: 40% (shift), 60% (tab, tab+shift), 75% (feated tab, feated tab+shift)
or
GF: 40% (shift), 60% (tab)
Barb: 40% (shift), 60% (tab)
OP: 40% (shift), 50% (tab, tab+shift), 60% (feated tab, feated tab+shift)
The option I would like is the 1st one since locking OP out of 60% if you don't pick a feat is unfair but the current behavior shown below makes no sense balance wise.
GF: 40% (shift), 60% (tab)
Barb: 40% (shift), 50% (tab)
OP: 40% (shift), 50% (tab), 40% (tab+shift), 75% (feated tab), 60% (feated tab+shift)
Edit: At least reword the feat with the expected behavior.
If that is the case, its defensive capability is entirely random - which is not what tanks need.
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I am not sure tho whether Deflect Severity is some counter value (for power?) or is working like defense so 90% Deflect Severity is around halfing the incoming damage.
I also wouldn't call that random. We know exactly how often we will Deflect (statistically ofc). Random would be a accidential value between 0% and 100%.
> @hastati96 Unfortunately, 90% Deflect Severity + 90% Deflect combined give you 0.9 * (1- 1/0.9) = 0.42x Damage Resistance = 42%. So your math is unfortunately incorrect. And just like Healers don't rely on Critical Heals to heal DPS in Heal Checks on Trials, Tanks NEVER rely on Deflects to Deflect those one-time big hits in a Trial since the 10% off-chance occurs, you DIE.
Huh what math I did? Deflect chance works exactly as I said above.
Our Deflect Sev works as counter stat to enemies Accuracy (which is 90% btw) if I remember correctly.
I also didnt say we rely on Deflect. In the end it still is an overall improvement for our survivability.
1)Sheltering Light.
2)Shield of Gods.
1)Whenever you are healed , party members under the effect of Shield of Faith are healed for the 50% of the value you are healed for. (Duration 10 sec.) + All the basic effects of Shield of Faith. [5% DR and 10% Incoming Healing]
2)Divine protector no longer redirects damage from the nearest ally and instead nullifies most damage dealt to you. (Duration 6 sec.).
Sheltering light is very useful for healers in some difficult situations. I found this feat very useful and i have been using it since my first dungeon. [A little bug i noticed healer's tab mechanic doesn't work with this feat]
I really didn't like Shield of Gods feat due to his long CD. (But also, i thought that immunity was not that important.)
But Divine Protector now grants 30% awareness and the tanks can use it every 3 minutes (with its feat). Not worth at all. But using Divine Protector without its feat could be dangerous too. My nearest ally will send me his damage! If i'm going to boost my awareness that's means i'm in trouble, but if i have to tank a big hit and also some damage from the nearest ally it's not worth it.
I can understand the skill of tanking, but if other tanks have this 30% awareness boost , but they don't take any risk using it (i don't know actually) , this in not balanced.
Divine protector with Shield of Gods could be interesting if Paladins can buff the Damage Reduction for the party and awareness for the tank using it. Like GF Phalanx.
Divine protector without Shield of Gods could be interesting if Paladins can share their awareness boost(15% and 15% for example) with the nearest ally. In duo tank content could be something very useful and funny to play.
In this way Paladins can make more build in order to help the party in different ways. (A build with DR [to cover some big hits or in a duo pally trials] or a build with Heal Reflection [to help healers in their job]. Actually Paladins are the perfect supporter, we don't have the DPS paragon, but we should be valueble in supporting party.
P.S: I'm really sorry form my bad english.
P.S.S: It's just an idea, maybe i'm totally wrong. But i like it.
Deflect is perhaps:
(1 / (1 + (Deflect Severity - Accuracy) / 100 * (Deflect Chance / 100)))
Which for 0.9 and 0.9 in PvE will be:
1 / (1 + 0.9 * 0.9) = 0.55 or ~45% Mitigation (averaged on infinite number of tests).
Maybe I've played the game for too long and am stuck in old thinking, but I don't see why there's suddenly all of this talk about deflect being utilised by tanks - deflect has always been the province of classes with good dodging and lower defence stats; so Rogues, Rangers etc. Defence (and now Awareness) has always been for those that have to 'stand there and take it': Fighters, Paladins and Barbarians.
To move away from this would result in needing to max out more stats than the incoming changes will allow.
In the case of the Paladin, it's Forte allotments are Defence/Crit Strike/Crit Avoid but bosses have now been given CA, meaning Pallys have to max Awareness with no help or boosts from their powers (except Divine Protector - only usable when feted but comes with a 3 min cooldown - which makes it unusable)
Removing the secondary DR layer from Divine Protector (as suggested by @hastati96 ) and replacing it with Deflect would further increase incoming damage, with a 'chance' to deflect a percentage of it.
I honestly cannot understand why the devs think its fine for Fighters to have 30% DR for a Daily but offer 20/25% DR to Paladins in order to remove the 3 minute cooldown from their version of it - we're not even asking for the damage reflect that Bladed Rampart gives - just the defensiveness!
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Thanks for the change to Shield of the Gods, this really should help balancing the tank classes.
The tooltip seems a bit mixed up. Divine Protector gives 30% Awareness and 25% damage reduction. Is it intended to have 2 seperate durations, one 6 and the other 12 seconds?
Edit. Just saw the preview patch notes, it stucks with defense.