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Hello there,
we are at a point, where the game is easier then in mod 15 with all the buffs and HAMSTER we had back then.
The Bosses in Lomm die so fast, u can be happy if u even get all your encounters off, and all the dungeons below, are laughable to say the least.
How about a Master Version of Lomm where everything deals twice as much dmg, and everything has 10x more HP? I dont even need better rewards, cause they are HAMSTER anyways. Just something that maybe is a bit challenging.
/rant over
we are at a point, where the game is easier then in mod 15 with all the buffs and HAMSTER we had back then.
The Bosses in Lomm die so fast, u can be happy if u even get all your encounters off, and all the dungeons below, are laughable to say the least.
How about a Master Version of Lomm where everything deals twice as much dmg, and everything has 10x more HP? I dont even need better rewards, cause they are HAMSTER anyways. Just something that maybe is a bit challenging.
/rant over
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So a few weeks ago we had harder content and the forums were full of "its too hard" posts.
Now here you are saying its too easy.
Now do you see the Dev's problem?
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> So a few weeks ago we had harder content and the forums were full of "its too hard" posts.
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> Now here you are saying its too easy.
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> Now do you see the Dev's problem?
Console release resulted in even more "it's too hard" posts. If players had a bit of patience, they would eventually realize that M16 content is easy once you master the art of stat balancing. It seems that 99% will cry for easier content at every change, and the devs will never be able to satisfy endgamers for this very reason.
I agree that in general the game is very easy, but I can understand that most people who pays real money are people who plays casualty and is not hardcore so I see why they keep the game easy.
But I dont see why is that hard to implement levels of difficultiy in dungeons (like they did in Tales of Old) and by the way, implement a system of rewards / achivements because the progress in this game is very bad implemented.
Here is an idea (symplified) :
- Each dungeon has 5 tiers of difficulty
- Every time you master a level of difficulty you get a new currency (lets call it dungeon mastery)
- With this currency, you can unlock tiers of rewards for dungeons (like for example epic insignias) that can be in chests of dungeons. Some tier of rewards are attached to most difficult versions of the dungeons.
- Aditionally, we have achievements. Like for example do X dungeons of Y difficulty, or all the dungeons in difficulty 1/2/3/4/5, some achievements unlock new ones like "do dungeon A in difficulty 3 X times". This achivements are a long term system but could reward us with vanity pets, and some bound zen store items (this system cant be abused because each reward is 1 time only).
Is just a start but the game need some kind of achievement tree / system to make players feel the progress, even if is slow.
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I said that before and I will keep saying it - all this game needs is just a adding a difficulty levels, along with rewards (even if only a tokens for a some unique stuff).
If it remains in the point it is right now end gamers will always complain about not enaugh of end game content while new/undergeared players will complaing game is too hard.
Just imagine that every dungeon has its super hard version and you need to complete each of them 5 times to get tokens for some cool new gear, and that gear changes with every MOD - belive me - end gamers would push for that.
Then imagine that all dungeons have lets say 3 difficulty tiers - even new player (why not even decent solo player - there is a lot of them out there) could try easiest to learn its mechanics and playng his class.
I might be wrong here - but I do think that having more options is always a better thing.
And no its not a rocket science here - its easiest path bringing the most profits, and we already have basics of that already implemented in game. But for reasons I cant understand devs are not trying that. @mimicking#6533 @nitocris83 ?
I guess its the minority in Neverwinter, but im not the only one that would love to get content, that even for Players that have everything, is still barely impossible to finish.
I know alot of ppl will say, that noone would run it, if there are no Big reward for such an effort, but to speak the truth, the time ive run dungeons to get AD is long gone (And i dont say that cause i want to show off) and there are a bunch of ppl for whom its the same. Some kind of Cosmetik, Title, or a special mount skin, would thrill me more then a bunch of AD, which i dont know how to spend anyway.
Just something on the horizon that isnt, wasd lets faceroll some buttens cause HAMSTER is easy as HAMSTER anyways.
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> Console release resulted in even more "it's too hard" posts. If players had a bit of patience, they would eventually realize that M16 content is easy once you master the art of stat balancing. It seems that 99% will cry for easier content at every change, and the devs will never be able to satisfy endgamers for this very reason.
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> And that exactly is the point where you are wrong.
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> I said that before and I will keep saying it - all this game needs is just a adding a difficulty levels, along with rewards (even if only a tokens for a some unique stuff).
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> If it remains in the point it is right now end gamers will always complain about not enaugh of end game content while new/undergeared players will complaing game is too hard.
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> Just imagine that every dungeon has its super hard version and you need to complete each of them 5 times to get tokens for some cool new gear, and that gear changes with every MOD - belive me - end gamers would push for that.
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> Then imagine that all dungeons have lets say 3 difficulty tiers - even new player (why not even decent solo player - there is a lot of them out there) could try easiest to learn its mechanics and playng his class.
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> I might be wrong here - but I do think that having more options is always a better thing.
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> And no its not a rocket science here - its easiest path bringing the most profits, and we already have basics of that already implemented in game. But for reasons I cant understand devs are not trying that. @mimicking#6533 @nitocris83 ?
And see here is the problem: endgamers or bis players make up about 10%-15% of the base(if that). The devs aren't going to make a ton of things to do for that small percentage.
Also with adding more difficult tiered dungeons with better rewards, all that will do is have those that cant do complain that others have better gear. It segregates the game even more between bis and non-bis. I believe the devs are trying their best to prevent that.
As for tiered dungeons with better rewards, any time I have seen that implemented, it immediately turns into a th
yes we dont make up the Majority of the playerbase, but to have an acutall endgame that ppl can look forward to is worth alot.
And its not all it would do, cause it would actually make those 20% of the playerbase happy.
And as i said, i dont even want rewards that impact gameplay, they could just put some form of "prestige" in form of titles, cosmetics or whatever in there and it would still be great.
And for the ppl that complain because they dont have gear, tbh, they can HAMSTER off.
And that means that devs are missing something here.
Bringing more options is what can save this game and keep it thrive, but what we get instead is just more grind.
Besides how many times you gona try that before you get bored with it (no reason to do that apart of personal achivement)?
All idea is to make as much profit of this game as possible while keeping us players entertained.
This is obvious cos if we are not entartianed we dont play and definatly dont spent money here.
Now there are many different palayers groups with different expectations.
Most peoples think that there are bassicaly 2 ways to deal with that.
1st - find out a "blanket" solutions witch will try to cover most of basic expectations.
2nd - try to divide player population for groups and trying to apply a differnt solution for each group.
Those are different in both cost and effectivness. Blankets are cheap, easy and in fact not keeping any1 pleased more like not unhappy.
Selected approach is costly, not to felixible and has a chance to leave one or more groups not included.
There is however a 3rd options - its basicaly blanked based, but there are options to make holes in that blanket, streach it or even make a pockets in it. Blanket covers basics - options leaves a place for players to find enjoyment
The idea of keeping a close distance between new players and veterans is not the best options, well not in NWO.
Siede note - keep in mind that if there is no - end game dungeons/gear there is litteraly no goal or reason to play a game - in single player game we play to finish the game/get highest score - in multiplayer we play for presonal echivements but also for competition - and leaderboards/end game hard to get gear are material proofs of our acomplishments - take that away - and you can shut this game down in a month. Depriciate this like devs doing right now - and you will make veterans striped of their experience /efforts/ money spent and discourge any new comers from even trying - their effort/money also gona be wasted so why bother? Funny thing is that in most of cases players who mouth the most about how players segregation for BIS/not BIS is bad are also those one who mouth about P2W - witch in case of NWO is actually one of best ways to nullyfi those differences.
Even after MOD 16 witch should be called Neverwinter 2.0 or Unification Mod - there are still gaps between players - and lets be honest - huge one (I am not taking into consideration an individual ability to adapt to new game mechanics etc).
While equipment is quite easly obtainable - and pretty much similar around level 80, the real sources of toons might - companions, enchantments, mounts etc are not.
And none of new players will be able to finish end game content after lets say 2 month of playing without substanial help of experienced party/guild or without spending tons of real money.
I will keep saying that - even a newest player can count - so he is able to determine amounts of ADs he gone need to be decently, not to mention end game, geared. And he is also aware that he cant get more then 3KK ADs a month, and drop from dungeons he is able to finsh is pretty much insulting - that is not encouraging.
So at this moment this game is cutting a lot of content from a new players - tons of campaigns - those are not worthy completing and lot of end game dungeons (LOMM CR even TONG) and has nothing to offer for average veteran player not to mention end gamers - we already grinded everyting out - a month ago - so see you next MOD or what?.
In short developers choose 1st solution - a blanket model - but this blanket is in fact so tiny that it cant satysfy a basic needs of any 1.
IMO devs did well with game mechanics rework (I know about issues, but a change was needed) now game needs a new approach to players activities otherwise it will shrink down to a measly weekend game.
We got tons of content, maps, dungeons, most of it lay waisting.
Creating a new content is as much important as keeping existing one entertainig for a players.
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I rather content be FUN and engaging and if the game doesn't have that than there is an issue and it needs to be resolved.
As someone that wants mechanic heavy content I know the struggle of actually being able to enjoy said content as players will gripe that mechanic heavy content is to hard. Look at CoDG; you really had to know how to play your character to not be knocked off when it first came out but too many players complained and it got fixed. Yet even with the fix and it being a cake way to not be knocked off; yet players still got knocked off. Go figure.
When I played DCUO the developers released a dungeon that was mechanic heavy. It was IMO one of their better dungeons released. It didn't stay that way long as to many players complained about the mechanics and all content released after that were light on mechanics for almost 2 years. After almost 2 years of players wanting a mechanic heavy raid the developers delivered and my very first post after beating said raid asked for the easier version to be less mechanical. Since the raid had a normal and elite I asked for the elite to have more mechanics.
You know what happened; players wanted to play elite and elite got easier. I got annoyed with that as a player as elite gear was better and it should of been much harder. After the developers made the elite raid easier it became a common place to go and some bosses on elite were easier than the normal.
My point is developers have to cater to the masses in the game and not a select niche group. The masses are your casual players who are not on the game 3+ hours each day or having max il, etc... Content has to be designed so that these casual players can beat the content, including end game because if casual players cannot play end game the developers of a F2P game like NWO will lose money, so content needs to be a bit easier.
If you want it harder, simply remove your enchantments or unsummon your companion and try Lomm that way.
As has been pointed out numerous times in this thread and previous threads there are ways to make game content more difficult, more challenging, for anyone who is actually interested in having more challenging game content...
I just can't figure out why anyone would rant about the game being too easy - who at the same time appears to be unwilling take any of the steps available to them to make their game play more challenging...
When was the last time we had challenging content?
Many of my guild (and pretty much a whole global channel) have given up and are now playing a much easier game that has come back from the dead recently. Not everybody wants more difficulty, just a vocal small minority on the forums.
The only thing that matters is fun, and this game is no longer it.
And I would still bet that for more than 80% of the people playing the game LOMM is not easy, or even doable in a reasonable amount of time. And there are too many factors that govern that.
I am just here to watch the fireworks and enjoy the popcorn.