[Reference] Aura of Courage

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• dupeks Member Posts: 1,789 Arc User

  May 2017 edited May 2017

  Proofs (cont.)
  
  AoC does not scale with / benefit from "yellow temp HP" (tested: Templar's Wrath)
  

  
  9,578 power 121,510 hp
  
  Base Case
  [10:15] [Combat (Self)] Your Oath Strike deals 263 Radiant Damage to Target Dummy.
  [10:15] [Combat (Self)] Your Aura of Courage deals 2356 Radiant Damage to Target Dummy.
  
  Templar's Wrath (I got a few thousand temp HP)
  [10:17] [Combat (Self)] Your Templar's Wrath deals 575 Radiant Damage to Target Dummy.
  [10:17] [Combat (Self)] Your Aura of Courage deals 2356 Radiant Damage to Target Dummy.
  [10:17] [Combat (Self)] Your Templar's Wrath deals 566 Radiant Damage to Target Dummy.
  [10:17] [Combat (Self)] Your Aura of Courage deals 2356 Radiant Damage to Target Dummy.
  [10:17] [Combat (Self)] Your Templar's Wrath deals 573 Radiant Damage to Target Dummy.
  [10:17] [Combat (Self)] Your Aura of Courage deals 2356 Radiant Damage to Target Dummy.
  [10:17] [Combat (Self)] Your Oath Strike deals 269 Radiant Damage to Target Dummy.
  [10:17] [Combat (Self)] Your Aura of Courage deals 2356 Radiant Damage to Target Dummy.
  
  No increase following templar's wrath temp hp.
  

  
  AoC scales as expected with power/HP
  

  
  Assumed Base Case (Arbitrary Starting Point)
  3,329 power 120,631 hp 2,042 damage
  
  Case 1
  10,179 power 116,015 hp 2,271 damage
  Theoretical increase: 115.843% from power * 96.17% from HP difference = 1.11410214994
  Real increase 2271/2042 = 1.11214495593
  ~11.41% expected vs. ~ 11.21% actual
  
  Case 2
  9,578 power 122,655 hp 2,373 damage
  Theoretical increase: 114.453% from power * 101.6778% from HP difference = 1.16373342798
  Real increase 2373/2042 = 1.16209598433
  ~16.37% expected vs. ~ 16.21% actual
  
  Case 3
  9,578 power 121,510 hp 2,356 damage
  Theoretical increase: 114.453% from power * 100.942309275% from HP difference = 1.15531501235
  Real increase 2356 /2042 = 1.15377081293
  ~15.53% expected vs. ~ 15.37% actual
  
  Case 4
  2,361 power 116,290 hp 1,921 damage
  Theoretical decrease: 97.761% from power * 96.401422519% from HP difference = 0.94242994668 ~
  Real decrease 1921 /2042 = 0.94074436826
  ~ -5.76% expected vs. ~ -5.93% actual
  
  

  
  AoC scales as expected with damage buffs (tested: T. Fey and Circle of Protection)

  
  10,179 power 116,015 hp
  
  Fey equpped not proc'ed
  [9:20] [Combat (Self)] Your Oath Strike deals 2770 Radiant Damage to Target Dummy.
  [9:20] [Combat (Self)] Your Aura of Courage deals 2271 Radiant Damage to Target Dummy.
  [9:20] [Combat (Self)] Your Feytouched Weapon deals 334 Psychic Damage to Target Dummy.
  
  Fey equipped not proc'ed + CoP (2953/2271 = 1.30030823426 ~ 30% increase, as expected)
  [9:20] [Combat (Self)] Your Oath Strike deals 3754 Radiant Damage to Target Dummy.
  [9:20] [Combat (Self)] Your Aura of Courage deals 2953 Radiant Damage to Target Dummy.
  [9:20] [Combat (Self)] Your Feytouched Weapon deals 380 Psychic Damage to Target Dummy.
  
  Templar's Wrath (CoP expired, so back to 2271)
  [9:22] [Combat (Self)] Critical Hit! Your Templar's Wrath deals 12191 Radiant Damage to Target Dummy.
  [9:22] [Combat (Self)] Your Aura of Courage deals 2271 Radiant Damage to Target Dummy.
  [9:22] [Combat (Self)] Critical Hit! Your Feytouched Weapon deals 897 Psychic Damage to Target Dummy.
  [9:22] [Combat (Self)] Your Templar's Wrath deals 6518 Radiant Damage to Target Dummy.
  [9:22] [Combat (Self)] Your Aura of Courage deals 2271 Radiant Damage to Target Dummy.
  [9:22] [Combat (Self)] Your Feytouched Weapon deals 441 Psychic Damage to Target Dummy.
  [9:22] [Combat (Self)] Your Templar's Wrath deals 6261 Radiant Damage to Target Dummy.
  [9:22] [Combat (Self)] Your Aura of Courage deals 2271 Radiant Damage to Target Dummy.
  [9:22] [Combat (Self)] Your Feytouched Weapon deals 510 Psychic Damage to Target Dummy.
  [9:22] [Combat (Self)] Your Aura of Courage deals 2271 Radiant Damage to Target Dummy.
  [9:22] [Combat (Self)] Your Feytouched Weapon deals 451 Psychic Damage to Target Dummy.
  [9:22] [Combat (Self)] Your Templar's Wrath deals 6229 Radiant Damage to Target Dummy.
  
  Fey Only (2680/2271 = 1.18009687362 ~ 18% increase, as expected)
  [9:22] [Combat (Self)] Your Oath Strike deals 3420 Radiant Damage to Target Dummy.
  [9:22] [Combat (Self)] Your Aura of Courage deals 2680 Radiant Damage to Target Dummy.
  [9:22] [Combat (Self)] Your Feytouched Weapon deals 386 Psychic Damage to Target Dummy.
  
  Fey + CoP (3484 /2271 = 1.53412593571 ~ (1.18*1.3=1.534) ~ 53.4% increase, as expected)
  [9:27] [Combat (Self)] Your Oath Strike deals 4192 Radiant Damage to Target Dummy.
  [9:27] [Combat (Self)] Your Aura of Courage deals 3484 Radiant Damage to Target Dummy.
  [9:27] [Combat (Self)] Your Feytouched Weapon deals 437 Psychic Damage to Target Dummy.
  

  
  AoC scales as expected with debuffs (tested: Bane)
  Bonus: AoC procs on powers that don't otherwise do damage
  

  
  2,361 power 116,290 hp
  
  Base Case
  [10:58] [Combat (Self)] Your Oath Strike deals 229 Radiant Damage to Target Dummy.
  [10:58] [Combat (Self)] Your Aura of Courage deals 1921 Radiant Damage to Target Dummy.
  
  1 Stack Bane (1st hit is bane proc'ing AoC)
  Theoretical increase: 10%
  Actual increase 2114 /1921 = 1.10046850599~ 10.00%
  
  [11:00] [Combat (Self)] Your Aura of Courage deals 2114 (1921) Radiant Damage to Target Dummy.
  [11:00] [Combat (Self)] Your Oath Strike deals 247 (224) Radiant Damage to Target Dummy.
  [11:00] [Combat (Self)] Your Aura of Courage deals 2114 (1921) Radiant Damage to Target Dummy.
  
  2 Stacks Bane (first 2 hits are bane proc'ing AoC)
  Theoretical increase: 20%
  Actual increase 2306 /1921 = 1.20041644977 ~ 20.00%
  
  [11:01] [Combat (Self)] Your Aura of Courage deals 2114 (1921) Radiant Damage to Target Dummy.
  [11:02] [Combat (Self)] Your Aura of Courage deals 2306 (1921) Radiant Damage to Target Dummy.
  [11:02] [Combat (Self)] Critical Hit! Your Oath Strike deals 493 (411) Radiant Damage to Target Dummy.
  [11:02] [Combat (Self)] Your Aura of Courage deals 2306 (1921) Radiant Damage to Target Dummy.
  
  3 Stacks Bane (first 3 hits are bane proc'ing AoC)
  Theoretical increase: 30%
  Actual increase 2498 /1921 = 1.30036439355 ~ 30.00%
  
  [11:04] [Combat (Self)] Your Aura of Courage deals 2114 (1921) Radiant Damage to Target Dummy.
  [11:04] [Combat (Self)] Your Aura of Courage deals 2306 (1921) Radiant Damage to Target Dummy.
  [11:04] [Combat (Self)] Your Aura of Courage deals 2498 (1921) Radiant Damage to Target Dummy.
  [11:04] [Combat (Self)] Your Oath Strike deals 293 (225) Radiant Damage to Target Dummy.
  [11:04] [Combat (Self)] Your Aura of Courage deals 2498 (1921) Radiant Damage to Target Dummy.
  

  
  AoC for Allies scales with their individual HP, not OP's HP
  

  
  Ally Attack Base Case
  
  Ally: 11,290 power, 40,827 hp
  Me: 9,578 power, 124,888 hp
  
  [14:36] [Combat (Party)] Zaaph Songsworn deals 143 Arcane Damage to Target Dummy with Magic Missile.
  [14:36] [Combat (Party)] Zaaph Songsworn deals 728 Radiant Damage to Target Dummy with Aura of Courage.
  
  [14:37] [Combat (Self)] Your Oath Strike deals 270 Radiant Damage to Target Dummy.
  [14:37] [Combat (Self)] Your Aura of Courage deals 2373 Radiant Damage to Target Dummy.
  
  2373 / 728 = 3.25961538462 ~ 325.96% difference in AoC damage between ally and myself.
  Clearly AoC damage is different for my ally, and our power is not THAT different. It appears that it's based on each ally's HP individually, and not the OP's HP.
  

  
  AoC for Allies scales with their attribute bonus
  

  
  Ally Attack Base Case
  Ally: 11,290 power, 40,827 hp
  Int 24 = 14% dmg bonus from Int
  728 base damage
  
  [14:36] [Combat (Party)] Zaaph Songsworn deals 143 Arcane Damage to Target Dummy with Magic Missile.
  [14:36] [Combat (Party)] Zaaph Songsworn deals 728 Radiant Damage to Target Dummy with Aura of Courage.
  
  With Heroism Potion Int 25 = 15% dmg bonus from Int
  [14:39] [Combat (Party)] Zaaph Songsworn deals 142 Arcane Damage to Target Dummy with Magic Missile.
  [14:39] [Combat (Party)] Zaaph Songsworn deals 734 Radiant Damage to Target Dummy with Aura of Courage.
  
  Expected damage: 728 * [1+(1.15 - 1.14) / 1.14] = 734.385964912
  Actual damage = 734
  

  Post edited by dupeks on May 2017

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• trzebiat

  trzebiat#2067

  Member Posts: 372 Arc User

  May 2017

  dupeks said:

  That it's actually based on each individual's HP. This is well-known but I don't have combat log proof right now.

  Very easy to test. Take one more player to dummies, turn on AoC on your OP, let other player check the damage of AoC, change max HP on OP, let the other player check his AoC damage again.

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• veywiil

  veywiil#8685

  Member Posts: 208 Arc User

  May 2017

  Nice use of the word prompting. I didn't even mean the comment harshly, was simply correcting a subtle misguided statement.

  I'm a theorycrafter, that means I can answer fairly deep questions with scientific theory, mathematical proof, and some guessing. Ask me stuff!

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• dupeks Member Posts: 1,789 Arc User

  May 2017 edited May 2017

  trzebiat#2067 said:

  dupeks said:

  That it's actually based on each individual's HP. This is well-known but I don't have combat log proof right now.

  Very easy to test. Take one more player to dummies, turn on AoC on your OP, let other player check the damage of AoC, change max HP on OP, let the other player check his AoC damage again.

  Agreed I woke up early, my FL is barren and nobody in guild answered my shout. Not a pressing issue, will post proof eventually. Edit: Done

  veywiil#8685 said:

  Nice use of the word prompting. I didn't even mean the comment harshly, was simply correcting a subtle misguided statement.

  I infer shame liberally

  Post edited by dupeks on May 2017

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• niadan Member Posts: 1,635 Arc User

  May 2017

  Appreciate any and all knowledge shared!

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• niadan Member Posts: 1,635 Arc User

  May 2017 edited May 2017

  Since you are using a CW friend for your testing, I would love to know if bonus damage fron Chilling Presence affects AOC damage. Also would love to know if things like chill stacks, storm spell, or Abyss proc AOC as well.
  Does Lantern artifact (or any artifact for that matter) affect AOC? Any mount or companion powers/bonuses affect AOC.
  
  Ok you can kick me out of the Citadel now...lol

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• dupeks Member Posts: 1,789 Arc User

  May 2017 edited May 2017

  niadan said:

  Since you are using a CW friend for your testing, I would love to know if bonus damage fron Chilling Presence affects AOC damage. Also would love to know if things like chill stacks, storm spell, or Abyss proc AOC as well.
  
  Does Lantern artifact (or any artifact for that matter) affect AOC? Any mount or companion powers/bonuses affect AOC.
  
  
  
  Ok you can kick me out of the Citadel now...lol

  Lol I'm just a DC main who self-shamed into doing this AoC legwork on a lazy weekend.
  
  Not as rigorous as my previous testing, as I only glanced through existing logs from FBI (not speed-run, but respectable sub-20min time). But here are some vague answers:
  
  1) It likely works with most personal buffs (probably including Chilling Presence). I can't offer you proof, just guided speculation based on how high everyone's hits of AoC can get.
  
  On one particular dragon turtle encounter, for instance, my biggest AoC hit (triggered by Oath Strike) was 559,420, the CW was next with 451,642 (triggered by Magic Missle), and top DPS HR with 233,734 (triggered by Careful Attack). Full debuff team and all that, but it would be impossible for the CW to hit that hard it it wasn't counting a majority of her self-buffs.
  
  Overall 14% of turtle's incoming damage was AoC (highest contributor, with 2nd being thorned roots). It's telling that even though HR brought in more damage overall in the battle, CW was hitting higher for AoC (400k's vs 200k's). Probably because CW had stronger self-buffs and slightly higher HP. (More specifically, I'm thinking stuff like Focused Wizardry is probably at play here. My HP was well over 2x the CWs, and my power is higher, so the only remaining factor is buffs/debuffs... and it can't be debuffs b/c those are party wide... so personal buffs are the last remaining explanation for why CW would hit so much harder than the HR when compared to my hit).
  
  For the HR, AoC made up 8% of their damage (4th highest) over the fight vs. 16% for CW (2nd highest after disintegrate). This also highlights that certain classes benefit more from AoC than others. Those with stronger self-buffs, more HP, and also faster encounters will gain more from AoC.
  
  2) It appears to trigger only on At-Wills or Encounters, not damage effects like Storm Spell or Abyss. But it does trigger on encounters that wouldn't otherwise do damage, as long as they appear to affect enemies. So it'll proc on BO or Bane, but not on CoP.
  
  3) Again I would make the claim (with no proof) that most buffs or debuffs work. But I'm honestly tapped out in terms of testing this for this week. Might come back to it in a while haha. Please let me know if you get around to verifying any of your points of interest (esp if you have log / ACT proof).
  
  Edit: One of my alts is this prot-OP that I've tried to craft into a Power-Share / AoC dailyspam dragonheart (those last two primarily for the shep's / arti's movespeed) because AoC and Power-Share are unique to OP class and after you've contributed to damage, stacking movespeed is the best for party utility imo (folks can get out of the way better in combat, and run faster between mobs = win / win). As it happens I usually come in at about 1/5th of the top DPS in T2+ which isn't amazing but good enough, plus we all zoom around and it's a hoot to play.

  Post edited by dupeks on May 2017

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• niadan Member Posts: 1,635 Arc User

  May 2017 edited May 2017

  For those not in the know...Mirage Weapons will proc AOC...for how long, who knows?

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• dupeks Member Posts: 1,789 Arc User

  May 2017

  niadan said:

  For those not in the know...Mirage Weapons will proc AOC...for how long, who knows?

  BL procs AoC for each tick, up to 9 for full charge AFAIK. Oath Strike is pretty quick at-will. I think Mirage weps on anyone count for AoC
  
  

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• niadan Member Posts: 1,635 Arc User

  May 2017 edited May 2017

  Let me rephrase...each mirage can proc AOC independently. They proc a lot of other things as well, but this is a discussion on AOC, and I thought it might be useful information for those, like myself, that are interested in how to increase AOC damage/frequency.

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• arcanjo86 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 1,093 Arc User

  May 2017

  so aoc proc on allies hp and not op hp to buff them?

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• niadan Member Posts: 1,635 Arc User

  May 2017

  Correct.

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• wileecoyoteym Member Posts: 35 Arc User

  June 2017 edited June 2017

  Does it have a cooldown? Like a .5 sec or something because when I hit with duelist flurry it only proc like 5-8 times and DF hits around 13 times in 4 seconds

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• armadeonx Member Posts: 4,952 Arc User

  June 2017

  I don't think anyone's confirmed a yes or no on that

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• veywiil

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  June 2017 edited June 2017

  AoC does not have a cooldown, I am fairly sure given the MASSIVE amounts of damage it can do. It might have a cooldown but it would have to be VERY low, and on a per target basis. Otherwise AoC simply would not do >30% of our dps in an average run...
  
  I once again wait for me to be wrong and Dupeks to come along and be like 40 minute cooldown on AoC. Wouldn't be the first time.

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• dupeks Member Posts: 1,789 Arc User

  June 2017 edited June 2017

  It doesn't have a cooldown that I am aware of. It can definitely hit multiple times per second (just from Burning Light, let alone other hits at the time). It can also simultaneously hit multiple enemies.
  
  However, it is proc'd in a manner that I would describe as "similar to Weapon Enchantments". By that I mean it's proc'd 1 or more times by different powers, but the proc rate is related to the power mechanics rather than just the "number of hits" a power generates. Similar to how others tested WE procs, we would need to test AoC procs.
  
  It's also possible that for some reason (especially in the heat of combat with a hamster-load of calculations going on) it's not proc'ing AoC as it should, or randomly dropping them / overwriting them.
  
  I don't think I have a recent log where I ran with a TR (and I'm not about to go hunting through my archives), but I can try to remember to take a look next time I party up with a TR.
  
  @wileecoyoteym out of curiosity, is your WE proc'ing the expected number of times?

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• mamalion1234 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 3,415 Arc User

  June 2017 edited June 2017

  only one question how it ranks? so it says 1% of maximum hit points right? the next 3 ranks+10% damage+10 % damage+10% damage what is about ?
  
  from what i understand is if you have 180000 hp you deal 1800 damage that damage goes 2400 if the aura of courage is rank 4 ? 1800+30%=2340.
  AM i right?

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• dupeks Member Posts: 1,789 Arc User

  June 2017 edited June 2017

  mamalion1234 said:

  only one question how it ranks? so it says 1% of maximum hit points right? the next 3 ranks+10% damage+10 % damage+10% damage what is about ?
  
  from what i understand is if you have 180000 hp you deal 1800 damage that damage goes 2400 if the aura of courage is rank 4 ? 1800+30%=2340.
  AM i right?

  I would have to verify your claim, but I believe that's how it works yes.
  
  Bear in mind it also scales with power, personal damage buffs, and debuffs. So the numbers you get are not going to be perfect unless you have no buffs, no debuffs, and no power.
  
  Importantly, the +X% from rank Y only applies to the OP's hits, not allies' hits.

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• thefabricant Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 5,248 Arc User

  June 2017 edited June 2017

  I have not checked for every class, but for CW, Aura of Courage procs for 0.9% of your HP and not 1%.

  Our Imaginary Friends are better than yours.

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• niadan Member Posts: 1,635 Arc User

  June 2017

  @thefabricant
  
  It figures. Lol

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• dupeks Member Posts: 1,789 Arc User

  June 2017

  thefabricant said:

  I have not checked for every class, but for CW, Aura of Courage procs for 0.9% of your HP and not 1%.

  Oh how interesting. Thanks for this.
  
  I wonder if the power is built to do 0.9% + 0.1% * (Aura of Courage rank) damage. And allies count as having rank 0.
  
  That might explain why some of my exploratory math for ally wasn't tying out like I would like it to. I'll prob get a chance to play a little more this weekend.

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• dupeks Member Posts: 1,789 Arc User

  June 2017 edited June 2017

  wileecoyoteym said:

  Does it have a cooldown? Like a .5 sec or something because when I hit with duelist flurry it only proc like 5-8 times and DF hits around 13 times in 4 seconds

  I took a look at some logs with a TR and an OP. I'm not seeing what you describe, I'm seeing an AoC hit after each DF hit. It's possible it might be missing 1 or 2 once in a while, but certainly not half like you are suggesting.
  
  BUT
  
  DF Bleeds don't trigger an AoC hit. Is it possible you're expecting hits after both the DF hits and the bleeds?

  Post edited by dupeks on June 2017

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• arcanjo86 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 1,093 Arc User

  June 2017

  isnt AoC r4 : 4% of player hp?

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• dupeks Member Posts: 1,789 Arc User

  June 2017

  arcanjo86 said:

  isnt AoC r4 : 4% of player hp?

  Nope. As best as I can tell the formula is [0.9% + (rank) * 0.1%] meaning at rank 4 it's 1.3%.
  
  It's worth noting that it appears for those who aren't the OP, the damage calculation might be treating them as rank 0 because it appears that they are hitting for 0.9% of their max HP.

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• just1rndmdad

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  June 2017

  Does lightning or any other WE enchant proc AoC

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• niadan Member Posts: 1,635 Arc User

  June 2017

  I do not believe so.

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• dairyzeus Member Posts: 304 Arc User

  August 2017

  Anyone know if aura of courage counts as single target damage? Or, is it based on what procs it?

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• onodrain Member Posts: 334 Arc User

  August 2017

  If the ability has to have a target to use and it does damage, then it will proc this ability, is the general guidance. If the ability has splash damage, then those splashed will be hit by this. Control Wizard damage is made AoE by slotting an ability in their Tab, but it is targeted to a monster, thus proccing AoC. Whereas a HR has AoE abilities that are ground targeted or non-monster targeted, which would not benefit from AoC.

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• dupeks Member Posts: 1,789 Arc User

  August 2017

  I think the question is "If I use Focused Wizardry (+30% damage to Single Target, -10% damage to AoE)", does AoC benefit from the +30% buff (meaning it's counting as single target)? Does it depend on the power that triggered it?
  
  I'm not certain about that answer... I can try to see if I can test with a CW friend over the weekend but recently it's been getting harder to find time to play.

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• darthtzarr Member Posts: 1,003 Arc User

  August 2017

  Wheel of Elements: Fire is an additional damage proc (similar to Aura of Courage itself) that is based on the original hit. Why is it listed as an exception to the damage buff rule, when it is not a damage buff?

  
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